Phil-Time, No Time

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In a message dated 12/31/2005 2:37:16 AM Pacific Standard Time,

ADHHUB writes:

 

Time and timlessness are connected in the nature of Life.

It is two sides of the same coin, so to speak.

In the individual condition, time exists. In the universal or meditative

condition, time does not exist.

 

Larry

 

But time doesn't exist as a reality anywhere. It's an illusion. That's the

point. Possibly, what you mean to say is that all polarities of a dualistic

concept are just two sides of the same coin? This is true, but this isn't a

meaningful connection. Beyond the illusion, the whole duality goes bye,

bye.......... Ahh, I think I see where yer comming from. You believe that

Absolute Truth and relative truth are the same, and so naturally you believe the

eternal moment of Now and linear time are somehow the same or connected in

some meaningful way.

 

Okay, I disagree.

 

Phil

 

Time is an abstraction. It is marks on a spinning wheel. Nothing more,

nothing less.

It exists as a real concept in ordinary life, by ordinary people. It’s only

seen as an illusion only as you see life from the large side of the telescope,

from the platform of self-realization, which isn’t a platform at all.

The word belief is not applicable. It’s about what I see and know as real.

To use your terms, absolute truth gives rise to the relative, and the

relative gives rise to the absolute. They exist in tandem, together, two

dimensions

of the same reality, the same oneness. The experience of the eternal now, and

absolute truth are the same, and yet, at the same moment, ordinary people are

living in so-called time. Both are simultaneous and together. But again,

what is called linear time does not exist. Space and objects exist in space,

and move relative to each other. We use the concept, the invented custom of

comparing these events to marks on a spinning wheel, and call that time.

This is also part of ordinary life and does not exist in the absolute, the

here and now, the truth, the expanded view of existence.

It’s not a matter of belief, it’s my effort to share my view of existence,

or the Perfect One Life, or the process of reality, which in the extreme does

not exist and in which, everything is illusion, dream, fantasy, but not to us,

in ordinary life.

 

Larry

 

 

 

 

 

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In a message dated 12/31/2005 6:30:48 AM Pacific Standard Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

epston

Re: Phil-Time, No Time

 

 

In a message dated 12/31/2005 2:37:16 AM Pacific Standard Time,

ADHHUB writes:

 

Time and timlessness are connected in the nature of Life.

It is two sides of the same coin, so to speak.

In the individual condition, time exists. In the universal or meditative

condition, time does not exist.

 

Larry

 

But time doesn't exist as a reality anywhere. It's an illusion. That's the

point. Possibly, what you mean to say is that all polarities of a dualistic

 

concept are just two sides of the same coin? This is true, but this isn't a

meaningful connection. Beyond the illusion, the whole duality goes bye,

bye.......... Ahh, I think I see where yer comming from. You believe that

Absolute Truth and relative truth are the same, and so naturally you believe

the

eternal moment of Now and linear time are somehow the same or connected in

some meaningful way.

 

Okay, I disagree.

 

Phil

 

Time is an abstraction. It is marks on a spinning wheel. Nothing more,

nothing less.

It exists as a real concept in ordinary life, by ordinary people. It´s only

seen as an illusion only as you see life from the large side of the telesco

pe,

from the platform of self-realization, which isn´t a platform at all.

The word belief is not applicable. It´s about what I see and know as real.

To use your terms, absolute truth gives rise to the relative, and the

relative gives rise to the absolute. They exist in tandem, together, two

dimensions

of the same reality, the same oneness. The experience of the eternal now,

and

absolute truth are the same, and yet, at the same moment, ordinary people

are

living in so-called time. Both are simultaneous and together. But again,

what is called linear time does not exist. Space and objects exist in

space,

and move relative to each other. We use the concept, the invented custom of

 

comparing these events to marks on a spinning wheel, and call that time.

This is also part of ordinary life and does not exist in the absolute, the

here and now, the truth, the expanded view of existence.

It´s not a matter of belief, it´s my effort to share my view of existence,

or the Perfect One Life, or the process of reality, which in the extreme

does

not exist and in which, everything is illusion, dream, fantasy, but not to

us,

in ordinary life.

 

Larry

 

 

 

 

I have no problemo with any of that, except for the idea that the relative

gives rise to the Absolute. The relative arises from the Absolute and is

contained within it. All cause and effect arise from the Absolute. The Absolute

needs nothing in order to exist, and is not changed in any way by the relative;

it is existence itself.

 

Phil