Guest guest Posted January 1, 2006 Report Share Posted January 1, 2006 In a message dated 12/31/2005 11:00:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, ADHHUB writes: > Time is an abstraction. It is marks on a spinning wheel. Nothing more, > nothing less. > It exists as a real concept in ordinary life, by ordinary people. It´s > only > seen as an illusion only as you see life from the large side of the telesco > pe, > from the platform of self-realization, which isn´t a platform at all. > The word belief is not applicable. It´s about what I see and know as real. > To use your terms, absolute truth gives rise to the relative, and the > relative gives rise to the absolute. They exist in tandem, together, two > dimensions > of the same reality, the same oneness. The experience of the eternal now, > and > absolute truth are the same, and yet, at the same moment, ordinary people > are > living in so-called time. Both are simultaneous and together. But again, > what is called linear time does not exist. Space and objects exist in > space, > and move relative to each other. We use the concept, the invented custom > of > > comparing these events to marks on a spinning wheel, and call that time. > This is also part of ordinary life and does not exist in the absolute, the > here and now, the truth, the expanded view of existence. > It´s not a matter of belief, it´s my effort to share my view of existence, > or the Perfect One Life, or the process of reality, which in the extreme > does > not exist and in which, everything is illusion, dream, fantasy, but not to > us, > in ordinary life. > > Larry > > > > > I have no problemo with any of that, except for the idea that the relative > gives rise to the Absolute. The relative arises from the Absolute and is > contained within it. All cause and effect arise from the Absolute. The > Absolute > needs nothing in order to exist, and is not changed in any way by the > relative; > it is existence itself. > > Phil > > The relative and the absolute rise together simulaneously out of emptyness. If the absolute exists then it is held in emptyness, void, or the non-existing. Let's not quibble over the details, the important thing is now that you know, what are you going to do with it, if anything. In the here and now of existence, there is no space or gap for arising, so arising and the Absolute must be simultaneous. Everything and nothing arises simultaneously out of emptyness, void. You can look at the Absolute and Emptyness as the same if you prefer. It makes no difference. Larry Epston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2006 Report Share Posted January 1, 2006 In a message dated 1/1/2006 12:14:33 PM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: epston Re: Phil-The Relative and the Absolute In a message dated 12/31/2005 11:00:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, ADHHUB writes: > Time is an abstraction. It is marks on a spinning wheel. Nothing more, > nothing less. > It exists as a real concept in ordinary life, by ordinary people. It´s > only > seen as an illusion only as you see life from the large side of the telesco > pe, > from the platform of self-realization, which isn´t a platform at all. > The word belief is not applicable. It´s about what I see and know as real. > To use your terms, absolute truth gives rise to the relative, and the > relative gives rise to the absolute. They exist in tandem, together, two > dimensions > of the same reality, the same oneness. The experience of the eternal now, > and > absolute truth are the same, and yet, at the same moment, ordinary people > are > living in so-called time. Both are simultaneous and together. But again, > what is called linear time does not exist. Space and objects exist in > space, > and move relative to each other. We use the concept, the invented custom > of > > comparing these events to marks on a spinning wheel, and call that time. > This is also part of ordinary life and does not exist in the absolute, the > here and now, the truth, the expanded view of existence. > It´s not a matter of belief, it´s my effort to share my view of existence, > or the Perfect One Life, or the process of reality, which in the extreme > does > not exist and in which, everything is illusion, dream, fantasy, but not to > us, > in ordinary life. > > Larry > > > > > I have no problemo with any of that, except for the idea that the relative > gives rise to the Absolute. The relative arises from the Absolute and is > contained within it. All cause and effect arise from the Absolute. The > Absolute > needs nothing in order to exist, and is not changed in any way by the > relative; > it is existence itself. > > Phil > > The relative and the absolute rise together simulaneously out of emptyness. If the absolute exists then it is held in emptyness, void, or the non-existing. Let's not quibble over the details, the important thing is now that you know, what are you going to do with it, if anything. In the here and now of existence, there is no space or gap for arising, so arising and the Absolute must be simultaneous. Everything and nothing arises simultaneously out of emptyness, void. You can look at the Absolute and Emptyness as the same if you prefer. It makes no difference. Larry Epston Yes, emptiness and Absolute are the same. There cannot be the Absolute, and then other than Absolute. The Absolute, then, doesn't arise out of anything; it just IS. The illusion (relative) is given birth within the Absolute, rather than the reverse. It's important to know who the mommy is. It keeps the youngins from trying to create God. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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