Guest guest Posted January 2, 2006 Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 my dear friend Sri Rama Krishna parama hamasa (Satguru or Lord in human form) asked swami vivakananda to propagate the divine knowledge preached by Him (Sri Rama Krishna). Satguru preaches the divine knowledge and that only is to be propagated by His disciples. They need not go and start their own preaching. The disciples of Jesus also propagated the knowledge preached by Lord Jesus. They have not told anything new other than what was already preached by Jesus. Only Satguru's knowledge need to be propagated. Disciples need not preach on their own, infact cannot preach also.surya at the lotus feet of shri datta swami www.universal-spirituality.org epston wrote: My question to you Mr. SERVANT, is, do you have anything of your own. Have you discovered any truth or reality or substance other than your submission, servant-hood to a written text. Are you a dumb beast of burden, carrying this book on your back, thinking that you are doing a great thing for humanity? If so, you are living a pitiful life oppressed by you fascination with another's mind. > > > 1/2/06 > > Thank you for the kindness and generosity of your response. > > Aside from teaching, or preaching, I am asking you about your own > self-discovery if you have had any. What is real to you? How does life appear? Who > are you as you see it? > You can answer that if you want too, I suppose. If you can't answer, I > must assume you have some problem with identity or self-awareness, or > personality, or something. You are representing the ideas of someone else, and that's > a good job and I'm sure you see it as a service to humanity, yet still, aside > from carrying, hauling, and supporting as a mule or donkey, a beast of > burden, how are you doing? > Jesus taught his disciples, and either his teaching ability was faulty or > his students were of such low quality that they did not represent his teaching > very well in the writings we have, and certainly Paul, who did not meet Jesus > at all in life, seems to have invented his own religion that he hid within > the life of Jesus. > I have read that Buddhist teachings were handed down orally for a long time, > but they have certainly been diluted and polluted over the many years since > he died It seems Buddhism was a radical offshoot of ancient Hinduism and > then sort of reabsorbed a part of Hindu teachings over the years. I don't think > it is a pure teaching anymore. > But as a devotee, a beast of burden for another, have you absorbed the > teaching, or do you represent the teaching? Has it become so much a part of you > that you can speak directly as a transformed self? Or are you like an idiot > who carries the luggage of a genius? > And to me, your message is not a good teaching for this time, this period of > history, for this western culture. It has gotten old and decrepit although > it does not appear that way to you. > It is a teaching for another society, another people, who don't even exist > in life anymore. > And here you are, hauling it around. You must have some pride as a servant, > clothed in the identity of another? Do you? Is that how you give yourself > merit, to justify your behavior? > I'd guess this conversation is difficult, and you are doing the best you can > to defend your actions and the ideas you represent. So, I have sympathy for > you. Yet, you have chosen to wrestle out this discussion, and I salute your > bravery. But you cannot win, you can only give up and walk away, beaten. > Well, we win some and we lose some. There is more to learn and discover, and > you may see into it yet, and enjoy the richness of another vision. > > Larry Epston > www.epston.com > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2006 Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston@a... wrote: > > my dear friend > > Sri Rama Krishna parama hamasa (Satguru or Lord in human form) asked swami > vivakananda to propagate the divine knowledge preached by Him (Sri Rama > Krishna). Satguru preaches the divine knowledge and that only is to be propagated by > His disciples. They need not go and start their own preaching. > > The disciples of Jesus also propagated the knowledge preached by Lord > Jesus. They have not told anything new other than what was already preached by > Jesus. > > Only Satguru's knowledge need to be propagated. Disciples need not preach > on their own, infact cannot preach also.surya > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami > www.universal-spirituality.org > > > epston@a... wrote: > My question to you Mr. SERVANT, is, do you have anything of your own. Have > you discovered any truth or reality or substance other than your submission, > servant-hood to a written text. Are you a dumb beast of burden, carrying this > book on your back, thinking that you are doing a great thing for humanity? If > so, you are living a pitiful life oppressed by you fascination with another's > mind. > > > > > > > > 1/2/06 > > > > Thank you for the kindness and generosity of your response. > > > > Aside from teaching, or preaching, I am asking you about your own > > self-discovery if you have had any. What is real to you? How does life appear? Who > > are you as you see it? > > You can answer that if you want too, I suppose. If you can't answer, I > > must assume you have some problem with identity or self- awareness, or > > personality, or something. You are representing the ideas of someone else, and that's > > a good job and I'm sure you see it as a service to humanity, yet still, aside > > from carrying, hauling, and supporting as a mule or donkey, a beast of > > burden, how are you doing? > > Jesus taught his disciples, and either his teaching ability was faulty or > > his students were of such low quality that they did not represent his teaching > > very well in the writings we have, and certainly Paul, who did not meet Jesus > > at all in life, seems to have invented his own religion that he hid within > > the life of Jesus. > > I have read that Buddhist teachings were handed down orally for a long time, > > but they have certainly been diluted and polluted over the many years since > > he died It seems Buddhism was a radical offshoot of ancient Hinduism and > > then sort of reabsorbed a part of Hindu teachings over the years. I don't think > > it is a pure teaching anymore. > > But as a devotee, a beast of burden for another, have you absorbed the > > teaching, or do you represent the teaching? Has it become so much a part of you > > that you can speak directly as a transformed self? Or are you like an idiot > > who carries the luggage of a genius? > > And to me, your message is not a good teaching for this time, this period of > > history, for this western culture. It has gotten old and decrepit although > > it does not appear that way to you. > > It is a teaching for another society, another people, who don't even exist > > in life anymore. > > And here you are, hauling it around. You must have some pride as a servant, > > clothed in the identity of another? Do you? Is that how you give yourself > > merit, to justify your behavior? > > I'd guess this conversation is difficult, and you are doing the best you can > > to defend your actions and the ideas you represent. So, I have sympathy for > > you. Yet, you have chosen to wrestle out this discussion, and I salute your > > bravery. But you cannot win, you can only give up and walk away, beaten. > > Well, we win some and we lose some. There is more to learn and discover, and > > you may see into it yet, and enjoy the richness of another vision. > > > > Larry Epston > > www.epston.com This would also apply very well not only to " true believers " of any system, e.g., Jehovah's Witnesses, etc., but to space-time-bound minds everywhere. Not bad, Larry. Good job - minus the wee bit of arrogance. " Silver " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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