Guest guest Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 On Jan 3, 2006, at 3:10 AM, Nisargadatta wrote: > Is Advaita Practical? > > Is there any practical applicability to Advaita Yoga? Can its > teaching help me to quit smoking? > > " Silver " > > P: Ha, ha! You know that Niz never quitted. My opinion is, he didn't quit because he sold cigarettes, and he thought it was only fair, he ought to share the fate of his customers. Meditation, and awareness does help, but a smoker patch maybe could help more. It's a chemical addiction, it's best to tackle it that way. I quitted, 40 years ago, there were no patches at that time. so I improvised my own. When I could not stand the temptation any longer, I'd buy a pack, smoke one cigarette, and throw the pack away. This way, I could only afford to smoke three cigarettes a day, at most. After a month of this, I could go on for days without buying a pack. After three months, I never touched one again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 Thanks for that tip, Pete Werner Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie4@e...> wrote: > > > On Jan 3, 2006, at 3:10 AM, Nisargadatta wrote: > > > Is Advaita Practical? > > > > Is there any practical applicability to Advaita Yoga? Can its > > teaching help me to quit smoking? > > > > " Silver " > > > > > > P: Ha, ha! You know that Niz never quitted. > > My opinion is, he didn't quit because he > sold cigarettes, and he thought it was only > fair, he ought to share the fate of his customers. > > Meditation, and awareness does help, but a > smoker patch maybe could help more. It's a > chemical addiction, it's best to tackle it that > way. > > I quitted, 40 years ago, there were no patches > at that time. so I improvised my own. When I > could not stand the temptation any longer, I'd > buy a pack, smoke one cigarette, and throw the > pack away. This way, I could only afford to smoke > three cigarettes a day, at most. After a month of > this, I could go on for days without buying a pack. > After three months, I never touched one again. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie4@e...> wrote: > > > On Jan 3, 2006, at 3:10 AM, Nisargadatta wrote: > > > Is Advaita Practical? > > > > Is there any practical applicability to Advaita Yoga? Can its > > teaching help me to quit smoking? > > > > " Silver " > > > > > > P: Ha, ha! You know that Niz never quitted. > > My opinion is, he didn't quit because he > sold cigarettes, and he thought it was only > fair, he ought to share the fate of his customers. > > Meditation, and awareness does help, but a > smoker patch maybe could help more. It's a > chemical addiction, it's best to tackle it that > way. > > I quitted, 40 years ago, there were no patches > at that time. so I improvised my own. When I > could not stand the temptation any longer, I'd > buy a pack, smoke one cigarette, and throw the > pack away. This way, I could only afford to smoke > three cigarettes a day, at most. After a month of > this, I could go on for days without buying a pack. > After three months, I never touched one again. > And, a pack of cigarettes 40 years ago was a hell of alot cheaper than they are today. What are they, now? Around 4 or 5 bucks a pack? The cost, alone, is a motivator to quit, in and of itself. dannyc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dannyc_1eyeluv " <dannyc_1eyeluv> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie4@e...> wrote: > > > > > > On Jan 3, 2006, at 3:10 AM, Nisargadatta wrote: > > > > > Is Advaita Practical? > > > > > > Is there any practical applicability to Advaita Yoga? Can its > > > teaching help me to quit smoking? > > > > > > " Silver " > > > > > > > > > > P: Ha, ha! You know that Niz never quitted. > > > > My opinion is, he didn't quit because he > > sold cigarettes, and he thought it was only > > fair, he ought to share the fate of his customers. > > > > Meditation, and awareness does help, but a > > smoker patch maybe could help more. It's a > > chemical addiction, it's best to tackle it that > > way. > > > > I quitted, 40 years ago, there were no patches > > at that time. so I improvised my own. When I > > could not stand the temptation any longer, I'd > > buy a pack, smoke one cigarette, and throw the > > pack away. This way, I could only afford to smoke > > three cigarettes a day, at most. After a month of > > this, I could go on for days without buying a pack. > > After three months, I never touched one again. > > > > > > And, a pack of cigarettes 40 years ago was a hell of alot cheaper than > they are today. What are they, now? Around 4 or 5 bucks a pack? The > cost, alone, is a motivator to quit, in and of itself. > > dannyc > this absolutely proves Advaita is practical Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie4@e...> wrote: > > > On Jan 3, 2006, at 3:10 AM, Nisargadatta wrote: > > > Is Advaita Practical? > > > > Is there any practical applicability to Advaita Yoga? Can its > > teaching help me to quit smoking? > > > > " Silver " > > > > > > P: Ha, ha! You know that Niz never quitted. > > My opinion is, he didn't quit because he > sold cigarettes, and he thought it was only > fair, he ought to share the fate of his customers. > > Meditation, and awareness does help, but a > smoker patch maybe could help more. It's a > chemical addiction, it's best to tackle it that > way. > > I quitted, 40 years ago, there were no patches > at that time. so I improvised my own. When I > could not stand the temptation any longer, I'd > buy a pack, smoke one cigarette, and throw the > pack away. This way, I could only afford to smoke > three cigarettes a day, at most. After a month of > this, I could go on for days without buying a pack. > After three months, I never touched one again. Forty years ago! I haven't even lived that long. Er...so how long have you been a non-smoker? You don't have to answer that, hehe. I couldn't possibly afford to apply your novel suggestion. So, I do believe I shall have to avail myself of the patch. I agree with you that it is a chemical addiction and it wouldn't hurt to try treating it at that level. Niz cetainly was consistent. Didn't he get throat cancer? I'm not sure. I vaguely remember reading something somewhere that he did. " Silver " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dannyc_1eyeluv " <dannyc_1eyeluv> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie4@e...> wrote: > > > > > > On Jan 3, 2006, at 3:10 AM, Nisargadatta wrote: > > > > > Is Advaita Practical? > > > > > > Is there any practical applicability to Advaita Yoga? Can its > > > teaching help me to quit smoking? > > > > > > " Silver " > > > > > > > > > > P: Ha, ha! You know that Niz never quitted. > > > > My opinion is, he didn't quit because he > > sold cigarettes, and he thought it was only > > fair, he ought to share the fate of his customers. > > > > Meditation, and awareness does help, but a > > smoker patch maybe could help more. It's a > > chemical addiction, it's best to tackle it that > > way. > > > > I quitted, 40 years ago, there were no patches > > at that time. so I improvised my own. When I > > could not stand the temptation any longer, I'd > > buy a pack, smoke one cigarette, and throw the > > pack away. This way, I could only afford to smoke > > three cigarettes a day, at most. After a month of > > this, I could go on for days without buying a pack. > > After three months, I never touched one again. > > > > > > And, a pack of cigarettes 40 years ago was a hell of alot cheaper than > they are today. What are they, now? Around 4 or 5 bucks a pack? The > cost, alone, is a motivator to quit, in and of itself. > > dannyc > I pay nearly eight dollars (Canadian) per pack about three times per week. That's twenty four dollars per week, nearly two hundred dollars per month. My goodness, what a waste! " Silver " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 Divine Message of His Holiness Shri Datta Swami Advaita philosophy is exploited which says that man is God. The aim of that philosophy is to say that a particular man, like Lord Krishna is God. The philosophy is extrapolated to every man. A mother feeds her child singing that the moon will come down from the sky if the child eats the food. She is worried about the welfare of her child and does not bother about the truth. The mother grows this body, which is perished by this birth. But a teacher (Guru) grows the soul by knowledge, which is permanent in all births, and the knowledge accompanies the soul forever. The love and compassion of a Guru on his student is million times more than that of the mother. ‘Sadguru’ is the God of the mother who came down as the teacher and the love of the Sadguru is beyond description. Sankara, Ramanuja, Madhva are the three incarnations of the three divine forms (viz. Shiva, Vishnu and Brahma) of the same Sadguru, who is Lord Dattatreya (Datta). The commentaries of these three Gurus may look different, which are meant for the people with different mental maturity at different times. But the essence in these three commentaries is one and the same. First, Sankaracharya came, who was the incarnation of Lord Shiva in human form. India was full of atheists who were either Buddhists or Purva mimamsakas. An atheist can never tolerate the greatness of God and so denies His existence. Sankara said, “ I am Shiva” (“Sivoham…”). Can an atheist tolerate this and accept that another man is God? But, the Sadguru should also uplift the atheist. Sankara made a trick. He told that every man is God. An atheist likes his own greatness and so becomes the follower of Sankara. Atleast some atheists changed. Sankara equally distributed God, which is like a treasure to all. There is a secret in this trick. When an atheist says, “I am God” he has accepted God! Sankara: Do you exist? Atheist: Yes I exist. Sankara: You are God. So God exists. So, at that time, the goal of Sankara, was only the first step i.e., atheists should become theists. When a bull is running, you have to run along with it for some time and then only you can stop it. Similarly, you have to follow an egoistic person for sometime and then only you can bring him gradually into your grip. The psychology of a student is well understood by a good teacher. This is the concept of incarnation (Avatara). Ava= down, Tara= coming i.e., coming down to the psychological level of the student. As we go down, the truth is to be hidden and the upliftment of the student becomes more important. Some disciples became fully pure and got rid of jealousy and ego in course of time through constantly serving Sankara and they were eligible to grasp the truth. Sankara revealed the truth to such deserving disciples. Sankara swallowed molten lead and asked them to swallow the same if they were God. The disciples were unable to swallow the same and fell at the feet of Sankara since they grasped the truth. But, Sankara limited this revelation of the truth to some of His close deserving disciples only, since others were not able to grasp the truth due to their egoism. Sankara left the earth at this stage. In course of time, people got rid of their egoism and jealousy to some extent but not completely. Ramanuja came and told that every man is a spark of God. This is like ‘Socialism’ in which some wealth of a rich man is donated to the poor. After some time, when people almost got rid of their egoism and jealousy completely, Madhva came down and told that man is not at all connected to God and man is only a servant of God. This is like ‘capitalism’ in which a wealthy man remains rich and the poor people always remain poor. These three philosophies apply to different people at any time, which vary as per their mentalities. Anytime, all types of people are present in this world. An egoistic person likes Sankara in his own case. He likes to be God. He does not like Madhva since he does not want to be a servant of God. He likes Madhva in the case of Lord Krishna who looks like a man and does not like Sankara there. He likes Krishna to be called as a servant of God and not to be called as God. This entire case is reversed in the case of a person who got rid of egoism. He likes Madhva in his case and likes Sankara in the case of Lord Krishna. He thinks that he is the servant of God and that Krishna is God. Hanuman is the best example. He believed Madhva in His own case and Sankara in the case of Lord Rama. He always thought that He was the servant of Lord Rama and that Rama was God and not a man. Hanuman is the practical Guru for every human being. Sankara gave the identification mark of God in human form stating, “ Jnanadeva tu Kaivalyam”, which means that one has to unite the God (that is to join the God) by His knowledge. Veda says that knowledge is Brahman. That means, you have to recognize the Lord in Human form by His knowledge and not by His miracles etc. posted by: His servant at the lotus feet of shri datta swami www.universal-spirituality.org s_i_l_v_e_r1069 <silver-1069 wrote: Nisargadatta , Pete S wrote: " >pedsie4@e...> wrote:> > On Jan 3, 2006, at 3:10 AM, Nisargadatta wrote: > > > Is Advaita Practical? > >> > Is there any practical applicability to Advaita Yoga? Can its> > teaching help me to quit smoking? Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 Thank you, Prakki. " Silver " Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000> wrote: > > Divine Message of His Holiness Shri Datta Swami > > Advaita philosophy is exploited which says that man is God. The aim of that philosophy is to say that a particular man, like Lord Krishna is God. The philosophy is extrapolated to every man. > > A mother feeds her child singing that the moon will come down from the sky if the child eats the food. She is worried about the welfare of her child and does not bother about the truth. The mother grows this body, which is perished by this birth. But a teacher (Guru) grows the soul by knowledge, which is permanent in all births, and the knowledge accompanies the soul forever. The love and compassion of a Guru on his student is million times more than that of the mother. `Sadguru' is the God of the mother who came down as the teacher and the love of the Sadguru is beyond description. Sankara, Ramanuja, Madhva are the three incarnations of the three divine forms (viz. Shiva, Vishnu and Brahma) of the same Sadguru, who is Lord Dattatreya (Datta). The commentaries of these three Gurus may look different, which are meant for the people with different mental maturity at different times. But the essence in these three commentaries is one and the same. > > First, Sankaracharya came, who was the incarnation of Lord Shiva in human form. India was full of atheists who were either Buddhists or Purva mimamsakas. An atheist can never tolerate the greatness of God and so denies His existence. Sankara said, " I am Shiva " ( " Sivoham… " ). Can an atheist tolerate this and accept that another man is God? But, the Sadguru should also uplift the atheist. Sankara made a trick. He told that every man is God. An atheist likes his own greatness and so becomes the follower of Sankara. Atleast some atheists changed. Sankara equally distributed God, which is like a treasure to all. There is a secret in this trick. When an atheist says, " I am God " he has accepted God! > > Sankara: Do you exist? > Atheist: Yes I exist. > Sankara: You are God. So God exists. > > So, at that time, the goal of Sankara, was only the first step i.e., atheists should become theists. When a bull is running, you have to run along with it for some time and then only you can stop it. Similarly, you have to follow an egoistic person for sometime and then only you can bring him gradually into your grip. The psychology of a student is well understood by a good teacher. This is the concept of incarnation (Avatara). Ava= down, Tara= coming i.e., coming down to the psychological level of the student. As we go down, the truth is to be hidden and the upliftment of the student becomes more important. > > Some disciples became fully pure and got rid of jealousy and ego in course of time through constantly serving Sankara and they were eligible to grasp the truth. Sankara revealed the truth to such deserving disciples. Sankara swallowed molten lead and asked them to swallow the same if they were God. The disciples were unable to swallow the same and fell at the feet of Sankara since they grasped the truth. But, Sankara limited this revelation of the truth to some of His close deserving disciples only, since others were not able to grasp the truth due to their egoism. Sankara left the earth at this stage. > > In course of time, people got rid of their egoism and jealousy to some extent but not completely. Ramanuja came and told that every man is a spark of God. This is like `Socialism' in which some wealth of a rich man is donated to the poor. After some time, when people almost got rid of their egoism and jealousy completely, Madhva came down and told that man is not at all connected to God and man is only a servant of God. This is like `capitalism' in which a wealthy man remains rich and the poor people always remain poor. These three philosophies apply to different people at any time, which vary as per their mentalities. Anytime, all types of people are present in this world. > > An egoistic person likes Sankara in his own case. He likes to be God. He does not like Madhva since he does not want to be a servant of God. He likes Madhva in the case of Lord Krishna who looks like a man and does not like Sankara there. He likes Krishna to be called as a servant of God and not to be called as God. This entire case is reversed in the case of a person who got rid of egoism. He likes Madhva in his case and likes Sankara in the case of Lord Krishna. He thinks that he is the servant of God and that Krishna is God. Hanuman is the best example. He believed Madhva in His own case and Sankara in the case of Lord Rama. He always thought that He was the servant of Lord Rama and that Rama was God and not a man. Hanuman is the practical Guru for every human being. Sankara gave the identification mark of God in human form stating, " Jnanadeva tu Kaivalyam " , which means that one has to unite the God (that is to join the God) by His knowledge. Veda says that knowledge is > Brahman. That means, you have to recognize the Lord in Human form by His knowledge and not by His miracles etc. > > posted by: His servant > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami > www.universal-spirituality.org > > > s_i_l_v_e_r1069 <silver-1069@h...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , Pete S wrote: " >pedsie4@e...> wrote:> > > On Jan 3, 2006, at 3:10 AM, Nisargadatta wrote: > > > > > Is Advaita Practical? > > >> > Is there any practical applicability to Advaita Yoga? Can its> > teaching help me to quit smoking? > > > Photos > Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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