Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 In a message dated 1/3/2006 1:41:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069 Re: Pete is faking Can someone explain the meaning of the word 'projection' to me? I would look it up but I have to get ready for work now. If no one else here looks into it by the time I get back, I'll do the research myself. I figure it's an important word for some odd reason. " Silver " Sure, why not. When an individual perceives something in his own ego dynamics that he doesn't like, this sets up an internal conflict. He judges his own behavior or abilities or attitudes to be bad, but doesn't know how to change it because there are other motivations causing the behavior that have not been looked at. If, at this point, he chooses to fully acknowledge the truth of these motivations and their associated needs and fears, and then simply accepts these dynamics, everything remains in the conscious mind, the judgment ceases, and the behavior itself changes since it originated in resistance and the unwillingness to accept those truths to begin with. More often, the conflict is seemingly resolved through a remarkable process of self deception. The individual simply pretends that there is no conflict and it's shoved into the unconscious, which is just a category of thoughts that are present but not acknowledged to be present. Since the conflict still exists and is only ignored, the mental focus remains on this 'bad' characteristic. He can't allow himself to notice that this 'flaw' is within himself, and yet, because of the mental focus, he can't help but see it as a part of his perceptual filter. IOW, he sees his own unconscious defects in every one but himself, and since he judges them as bad, he will likely attempt to change the other, which is usually only his own reflection. It's actually a fascinating process to watch from the proper perspective (a detached one). All value judgments that are made, wherein an individual emotionally struggles, are projections of internal conflict. This will inform others of the conflicts present which the individual himself in unaware of. If we imagine, for the sake of explanation, that there are various ego levels that can be transcended, we find that it's not possible to look 'upward' through ego levels that have yet to be transcended, but one will easily be able to look 'downward' to levels that have. As a result, those on the 'higher' levels will be able to discern projections without becoming attached, but those on the 'lower' levels will only be able to project and will see everything through those judgmental filters. If someone on a 'higher' level of ego development points out a projection to the one projecting, it will always be perceived as a judgment (another projection) and invariably pointed out rather than reflected upon. It requires courage, willingness and vulnerability to see one's own self deceptions. I greatly admire folks who are willing to engage in this process. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 - ADHHUB Nisargadatta Wednesday, January 04, 2006 5:51 AM Re: Projection In a message dated 1/3/2006 1:41:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069 Re: Pete is faking Can someone explain the meaning of the word 'projection' to me? I would look it up but I have to get ready for work now. If no one else here looks into it by the time I get back, I'll do the research myself. I figure it's an important word for some odd reason. " Silver " Sure, why not. When an individual perceives something in his own ego dynamics that he doesn't like, this sets up an internal conflict. He judges his own behavior or abilities or attitudes to be bad, but doesn't know how to change it because there are other motivations causing the behavior that have not been looked at. If, at this point, he chooses to fully acknowledge the truth of these motivations and their associated needs and fears, and then simply accepts these dynamics, everything remains in the conscious mind, the judgment ceases, and the behavior itself changes since it originated in resistance and the unwillingness to accept those truths to begin with. More often, the conflict is seemingly resolved through a remarkable process of self deception. The individual simply pretends that there is no conflict and it's shoved into the unconscious, which is just a category of thoughts that are present but not acknowledged to be present. Since the conflict still exists and is only ignored, the mental focus remains on this 'bad' characteristic. He can't allow himself to notice that this 'flaw' is within himself, and yet, because of the mental focus, he can't help but see it as a part of his perceptual filter. IOW, he sees his own unconscious defects in every one but himself, and since he judges them as bad, he will likely attempt to change the other, which is usually only his own reflection. It's actually a fascinating process to watch from the proper perspective (a detached one). All value judgments that are made, wherein an individual emotionally struggles, are projections of internal conflict. This will inform others of the conflicts present which the individual himself in unaware of. If we imagine, for the sake of explanation, that there are various ego levels that can be transcended, we find that it's not possible to look 'upward' through ego levels that have yet to be transcended, but one will easily be able to look 'downward' to levels that have. As a result, those on the 'higher' levels will be able to discern projections without becoming attached, but those on the 'lower' levels will only be able to project and will see everything through those judgmental filters. If someone on a 'higher' level of ego development points out a projection to the one projecting, it will always be perceived as a judgment (another projection) and invariably pointed out rather than reflected upon. It requires courage, willingness and vulnerability to see one's own self deceptions. I greatly admire folks who are willing to engage in this process. Phil how about " seeing in Self " ? Ana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > - > ADHHUB@A... > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, January 04, 2006 5:51 AM > Re: Projection > > > > In a message dated 1/3/2006 1:41:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069@h...> > Re: Pete is faking > > Can someone explain the meaning of the word 'projection' to me? I > would look it up but I have to get ready for work now. If no one > else here looks into it by the time I get back, I'll do the research > myself. I figure it's an important word for some odd reason. > > " Silver " > > > > Sure, why not. > When an individual perceives something in his own ego dynamics that he > doesn't like, this sets up an internal conflict. He judges his own behavior or > abilities or attitudes to be bad, but doesn't know how to change it because > there are other motivations causing the behavior that have not been looked at. > > If, at this point, he chooses to fully acknowledge the truth of these > motivations and their associated needs and fears, and then simply accepts these > dynamics, everything remains in the conscious mind, the judgment ceases, and the > behavior itself changes since it originated in resistance and the > unwillingness to accept those truths to begin with. > > More often, the conflict is seemingly resolved through a remarkable process > of self deception. The individual simply pretends that there is no conflict > and it's shoved into the unconscious, which is just a category of thoughts that > are present but not acknowledged to be present. Since the conflict still > exists and is only ignored, the mental focus remains on this 'bad' > characteristic. He can't allow himself to notice that this 'flaw' is within himself, and > yet, because of the mental focus, he can't help but see it as a part of his > perceptual filter. IOW, he sees his own unconscious defects in every one but > himself, and since he judges them as bad, he will likely attempt to change the > other, which is usually only his own reflection. > > It's actually a fascinating process to watch from the proper perspective (a > detached one). All value judgments that are made, wherein an individual > emotionally struggles, are projections of internal conflict. This will inform > others of the conflicts present which the individual himself in unaware of. > > If we imagine, for the sake of explanation, that there are various ego > levels that can be transcended, we find that it's not possible to look 'upward' > through ego levels that have yet to be transcended, but one will easily be able > to look 'downward' to levels that have. As a result, those on the 'higher' > levels will be able to discern projections without becoming attached, but those > on the 'lower' levels will only be able to project and will see everything > through those judgmental filters. > > If someone on a 'higher' level of ego development points out a projection to > the one projecting, it will always be perceived as a judgment (another > projection) and invariably pointed out rather than reflected upon. It requires > courage, willingness and vulnerability to see one's own self deceptions. I > greatly admire folks who are willing to engage in this process. > > > > Phil > > > how about > > " seeing in Self " ? > > Ana Nah. Too simple, my dear poet laureate. But I guess it could work.... Let me think about that one.... Okay, maybe it's not as simple as I thought. Would you elaborate? Lol. " Silver " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: >how about > > " seeing in Self " ? > >Ana Ha! Without wanting to degrade the other excellent contributions in this thread... I love it when something supposedly rather complex is reduced in such a way. It gives food for contemplation. I also already thought about a more generalizing (or radical) definition of this term: The mind tends to project experiences on to conceptually created external screens. Yes, yes, I am aware that beyond this not much is left, if anything :-) Stefan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 In a message dated 1/4/2006 6:56:20 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u Re: Projection - ADHHUB Nisargadatta Wednesday, January 04, 2006 5:51 AM Re: Projection In a message dated 1/3/2006 1:41:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069 Re: Pete is faking Can someone explain the meaning of the word 'projection' to me? I would look it up but I have to get ready for work now. If no one else here looks into it by the time I get back, I'll do the research myself. I figure it's an important word for some odd reason. " Silver " Sure, why not. When an individual perceives something in his own ego dynamics that he doesn't like, this sets up an internal conflict. He judges his own behavior or abilities or attitudes to be bad, but doesn't know how to change it because there are other motivations causing the behavior that have not been looked at. If, at this point, he chooses to fully acknowledge the truth of these motivations and their associated needs and fears, and then simply accepts these dynamics, everything remains in the conscious mind, the judgment ceases, and the behavior itself changes since it originated in resistance and the unwillingness to accept those truths to begin with. More often, the conflict is seemingly resolved through a remarkable process of self deception. The individual simply pretends that there is no conflict and it's shoved into the unconscious, which is just a category of thoughts that are present but not acknowledged to be present. Since the conflict still exists and is only ignored, the mental focus remains on this 'bad' characteristic. He can't allow himself to notice that this 'flaw' is within himself, and yet, because of the mental focus, he can't help but see it as a part of his perceptual filter. IOW, he sees his own unconscious defects in every one but himself, and since he judges them as bad, he will likely attempt to change the other, which is usually only his own reflection. It's actually a fascinating process to watch from the proper perspective (a detached one). All value judgments that are made, wherein an individual emotionally struggles, are projections of internal conflict. This will inform others of the conflicts present which the individual himself in unaware of. If we imagine, for the sake of explanation, that there are various ego levels that can be transcended, we find that it's not possible to look 'upward' through ego levels that have yet to be transcended, but one will easily be able to look 'downward' to levels that have. As a result, those on the 'higher' levels will be able to discern projections without becoming attached, but those on the 'lower' levels will only be able to project and will see everything through those judgmental filters. If someone on a 'higher' level of ego development points out a projection to the one projecting, it will always be perceived as a judgment (another projection) and invariably pointed out rather than reflected upon. It requires courage, willingness and vulnerability to see one's own self deceptions. I greatly admire folks who are willing to engage in this process. Phil how about " seeing in Self " ? Ana ................Not enough words. Hehe. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote: > > > In a message dated 1/4/2006 6:56:20 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> > Re: Projection > > > - > ADHHUB@A... > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, January 04, 2006 5:51 AM > Re: Projection > > > > In a message dated 1/3/2006 1:41:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069@h...> > Re: Pete is faking > > Can someone explain the meaning of the word 'projection' to me? I > would look it up but I have to get ready for work now. If no one > else here looks into it by the time I get back, I'll do the research > myself. I figure it's an important word for some odd reason. > > " Silver " > > > > Sure, why not. > When an individual perceives something in his own ego dynamics that he > doesn't like, this sets up an internal conflict. He judges his own behavior > or > abilities or attitudes to be bad, but doesn't know how to change it because > there are other motivations causing the behavior that have not been looked > at. > > If, at this point, he chooses to fully acknowledge the truth of these > motivations and their associated needs and fears, and then simply accepts > these > dynamics, everything remains in the conscious mind, the judgment ceases, and > the > behavior itself changes since it originated in resistance and the > unwillingness to accept those truths to begin with. > > More often, the conflict is seemingly resolved through a remarkable process > of self deception. The individual simply pretends that there is no conflict > and it's shoved into the unconscious, which is just a category of thoughts > that > are present but not acknowledged to be present. Since the conflict still > exists and is only ignored, the mental focus remains on this 'bad' > characteristic. He can't allow himself to notice that this 'flaw' is within > himself, and > yet, because of the mental focus, he can't help but see it as a part of his > perceptual filter. IOW, he sees his own unconscious defects in every one > but > himself, and since he judges them as bad, he will likely attempt to change > the > other, which is usually only his own reflection. > > It's actually a fascinating process to watch from the proper perspective (a > detached one). All value judgments that are made, wherein an individual > emotionally struggles, are projections of internal conflict. This will > inform > others of the conflicts present which the individual himself in unaware of. > > If we imagine, for the sake of explanation, that there are various ego > levels that can be transcended, we find that it's not possible to look > 'upward' > through ego levels that have yet to be transcended, but one will easily be > able > to look 'downward' to levels that have. As a result, those on the 'higher' > levels will be able to discern projections without becoming attached, but > those > on the 'lower' levels will only be able to project and will see everything > through those judgmental filters. > > If someone on a 'higher' level of ego development points out a projection > to > the one projecting, it will always be perceived as a judgment (another > projection) and invariably pointed out rather than reflected upon. It > requires > courage, willingness and vulnerability to see one's own self deceptions. I > greatly admire folks who are willing to engage in this process. > > > > Phil > > > how about > > " seeing in Self " ? > > Ana > > > > > ...............Not enough words. Hehe. > > Phil I never thought in a million years that a man would beat out a woman over the amount of words used. What has this world come to?!? " Silver " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 In a message dated 1/5/2006 3:03:10 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069 Re: Projection Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote: > > > In a message dated 1/4/2006 6:56:20 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> > Re: Projection > > > - > ADHHUB@A... > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, January 04, 2006 5:51 AM > Re: Projection > > > > In a message dated 1/3/2006 1:41:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069@h...> > Re: Pete is faking > > Can someone explain the meaning of the word 'projection' to me? I > would look it up but I have to get ready for work now. If no one > else here looks into it by the time I get back, I'll do the research > myself. I figure it's an important word for some odd reason. > > " Silver " > > > > Sure, why not. > When an individual perceives something in his own ego dynamics that he > doesn't like, this sets up an internal conflict. He judges his own behavior > or > abilities or attitudes to be bad, but doesn't know how to change it because > there are other motivations causing the behavior that have not been looked > at. > > If, at this point, he chooses to fully acknowledge the truth of these > motivations and their associated needs and fears, and then simply accepts > these > dynamics, everything remains in the conscious mind, the judgment ceases, and > the > behavior itself changes since it originated in resistance and the > unwillingness to accept those truths to begin with. > > More often, the conflict is seemingly resolved through a remarkable process > of self deception. The individual simply pretends that there is no conflict > and it's shoved into the unconscious, which is just a category of thoughts > that > are present but not acknowledged to be present. Since the conflict still > exists and is only ignored, the mental focus remains on this 'bad' > characteristic. He can't allow himself to notice that this 'flaw' is within > himself, and > yet, because of the mental focus, he can't help but see it as a part of his > perceptual filter. IOW, he sees his own unconscious defects in every one > but > himself, and since he judges them as bad, he will likely attempt to change > the > other, which is usually only his own reflection. > > It's actually a fascinating process to watch from the proper perspective (a > detached one). All value judgments that are made, wherein an individual > emotionally struggles, are projections of internal conflict. This will > inform > others of the conflicts present which the individual himself in unaware of. > > If we imagine, for the sake of explanation, that there are various ego > levels that can be transcended, we find that it's not possible to look > 'upward' > through ego levels that have yet to be transcended, but one will easily be > able > to look 'downward' to levels that have. As a result, those on the 'higher' > levels will be able to discern projections without becoming attached, but > those > on the 'lower' levels will only be able to project and will see everything > through those judgmental filters. > > If someone on a 'higher' level of ego development points out a projection > to > the one projecting, it will always be perceived as a judgment (another > projection) and invariably pointed out rather than reflected upon. It > requires > courage, willingness and vulnerability to see one's own self deceptions. I > greatly admire folks who are willing to engage in this process. > > > > Phil > > > how about > > " seeing in Self " ? > > Ana > > > > > ...............Not enough words. Hehe. > > Phil I never thought in a million years that a man would beat out a woman over the amount of words used. What has this world come to?!? " Silver " It does seem genetically unsound, just from a survival perspective, huh. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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