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In a message dated 1/3/2006 1:41:02 PM Pacific Standard Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

" s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069

Re: Pete is faking

 

Can someone explain the meaning of the word 'projection' to me? I

would look it up but I have to get ready for work now. If no one

else here looks into it by the time I get back, I'll do the research

myself. I figure it's an important word for some odd reason.

 

" Silver "

 

 

 

Sure, why not. :)

When an individual perceives something in his own ego dynamics that he

doesn't like, this sets up an internal conflict. He judges his own behavior or

abilities or attitudes to be bad, but doesn't know how to change it because

there are other motivations causing the behavior that have not been looked at.

 

If, at this point, he chooses to fully acknowledge the truth of these

motivations and their associated needs and fears, and then simply accepts these

dynamics, everything remains in the conscious mind, the judgment ceases, and the

behavior itself changes since it originated in resistance and the

unwillingness to accept those truths to begin with.

 

More often, the conflict is seemingly resolved through a remarkable process

of self deception. The individual simply pretends that there is no conflict

and it's shoved into the unconscious, which is just a category of thoughts that

are present but not acknowledged to be present. Since the conflict still

exists and is only ignored, the mental focus remains on this 'bad'

characteristic. He can't allow himself to notice that this 'flaw' is within

himself, and

yet, because of the mental focus, he can't help but see it as a part of his

perceptual filter. IOW, he sees his own unconscious defects in every one but

himself, and since he judges them as bad, he will likely attempt to change the

other, which is usually only his own reflection.

 

It's actually a fascinating process to watch from the proper perspective (a

detached one). All value judgments that are made, wherein an individual

emotionally struggles, are projections of internal conflict. This will inform

others of the conflicts present which the individual himself in unaware of.

 

If we imagine, for the sake of explanation, that there are various ego

levels that can be transcended, we find that it's not possible to look 'upward'

through ego levels that have yet to be transcended, but one will easily be able

to look 'downward' to levels that have. As a result, those on the 'higher'

levels will be able to discern projections without becoming attached, but those

on the 'lower' levels will only be able to project and will see everything

through those judgmental filters.

 

If someone on a 'higher' level of ego development points out a projection to

the one projecting, it will always be perceived as a judgment (another

projection) and invariably pointed out rather than reflected upon. It requires

courage, willingness and vulnerability to see one's own self deceptions. I

greatly admire folks who are willing to engage in this process.

 

 

 

Phil

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta

Wednesday, January 04, 2006 5:51 AM

Re: Projection

 

 

 

In a message dated 1/3/2006 1:41:02 PM Pacific Standard Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

" s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069

Re: Pete is faking

 

Can someone explain the meaning of the word 'projection' to me? I

would look it up but I have to get ready for work now. If no one

else here looks into it by the time I get back, I'll do the research

myself. I figure it's an important word for some odd reason.

 

" Silver "

 

 

 

Sure, why not. :)

When an individual perceives something in his own ego dynamics that he

doesn't like, this sets up an internal conflict. He judges his own behavior or

abilities or attitudes to be bad, but doesn't know how to change it because

there are other motivations causing the behavior that have not been looked

at.

 

If, at this point, he chooses to fully acknowledge the truth of these

motivations and their associated needs and fears, and then simply accepts

these

dynamics, everything remains in the conscious mind, the judgment ceases, and

the

behavior itself changes since it originated in resistance and the

unwillingness to accept those truths to begin with.

 

More often, the conflict is seemingly resolved through a remarkable process

of self deception. The individual simply pretends that there is no conflict

and it's shoved into the unconscious, which is just a category of thoughts

that

are present but not acknowledged to be present. Since the conflict still

exists and is only ignored, the mental focus remains on this 'bad'

characteristic. He can't allow himself to notice that this 'flaw' is within

himself, and

yet, because of the mental focus, he can't help but see it as a part of his

perceptual filter. IOW, he sees his own unconscious defects in every one but

himself, and since he judges them as bad, he will likely attempt to change

the

other, which is usually only his own reflection.

 

It's actually a fascinating process to watch from the proper perspective (a

detached one). All value judgments that are made, wherein an individual

emotionally struggles, are projections of internal conflict. This will inform

others of the conflicts present which the individual himself in unaware of.

 

If we imagine, for the sake of explanation, that there are various ego

levels that can be transcended, we find that it's not possible to look

'upward'

through ego levels that have yet to be transcended, but one will easily be

able

to look 'downward' to levels that have. As a result, those on the 'higher'

levels will be able to discern projections without becoming attached, but

those

on the 'lower' levels will only be able to project and will see everything

through those judgmental filters.

 

If someone on a 'higher' level of ego development points out a projection to

the one projecting, it will always be perceived as a judgment (another

projection) and invariably pointed out rather than reflected upon. It requires

courage, willingness and vulnerability to see one's own self deceptions. I

greatly admire folks who are willing to engage in this process.

 

 

 

Phil

 

 

how about

 

" seeing in Self " ?

 

Ana

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote:

>

>

> -

> ADHHUB@A...

> Nisargadatta

> Wednesday, January 04, 2006 5:51 AM

> Re: Projection

>

>

>

> In a message dated 1/3/2006 1:41:02 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> Nisargadatta writes:

>

> " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069@h...>

> Re: Pete is faking

>

> Can someone explain the meaning of the word 'projection' to me?

I

> would look it up but I have to get ready for work now. If no

one

> else here looks into it by the time I get back, I'll do the

research

> myself. I figure it's an important word for some odd reason.

>

> " Silver "

>

>

>

> Sure, why not. :)

> When an individual perceives something in his own ego dynamics

that he

> doesn't like, this sets up an internal conflict. He judges his

own behavior or

> abilities or attitudes to be bad, but doesn't know how to change

it because

> there are other motivations causing the behavior that have not

been looked at.

>

> If, at this point, he chooses to fully acknowledge the truth of

these

> motivations and their associated needs and fears, and then simply

accepts these

> dynamics, everything remains in the conscious mind, the judgment

ceases, and the

> behavior itself changes since it originated in resistance and the

> unwillingness to accept those truths to begin with.

>

> More often, the conflict is seemingly resolved through a

remarkable process

> of self deception. The individual simply pretends that there is

no conflict

> and it's shoved into the unconscious, which is just a category

of thoughts that

> are present but not acknowledged to be present. Since the

conflict still

> exists and is only ignored, the mental focus remains on

this 'bad'

> characteristic. He can't allow himself to notice that

this 'flaw' is within himself, and

> yet, because of the mental focus, he can't help but see it as a

part of his

> perceptual filter. IOW, he sees his own unconscious defects in

every one but

> himself, and since he judges them as bad, he will likely attempt

to change the

> other, which is usually only his own reflection.

>

> It's actually a fascinating process to watch from the proper

perspective (a

> detached one). All value judgments that are made, wherein an

individual

> emotionally struggles, are projections of internal conflict. This

will inform

> others of the conflicts present which the individual himself in

unaware of.

>

> If we imagine, for the sake of explanation, that there are

various ego

> levels that can be transcended, we find that it's not possible to

look 'upward'

> through ego levels that have yet to be transcended, but one will

easily be able

> to look 'downward' to levels that have. As a result, those on

the 'higher'

> levels will be able to discern projections without becoming

attached, but those

> on the 'lower' levels will only be able to project and will see

everything

> through those judgmental filters.

>

> If someone on a 'higher' level of ego development points out a

projection to

> the one projecting, it will always be perceived as a judgment

(another

> projection) and invariably pointed out rather than reflected

upon. It requires

> courage, willingness and vulnerability to see one's own self

deceptions. I

> greatly admire folks who are willing to engage in this process.

>

>

>

> Phil

>

>

> how about

>

> " seeing in Self " ?

>

> Ana

 

Nah. Too simple, my dear poet laureate. But I guess it could

work.... Let me think about that one.... Okay, maybe it's not as

simple as I thought. Would you elaborate? Lol.

 

" Silver "

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Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote:

 

 

>how about

>

> " seeing in Self " ?

>

>Ana

 

Ha!

 

Without wanting to degrade the other excellent contributions in this

thread... I love it when something supposedly rather complex is

reduced in such a way. It gives food for contemplation.

 

I also already thought about a more generalizing (or radical)

definition of this term:

 

The mind tends to project experiences on to conceptually created

external screens.

 

Yes, yes, I am aware that beyond this not much is left, if anything :-)

 

Stefan

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In a message dated 1/4/2006 6:56:20 AM Pacific Standard Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

" Anna Ruiz " <nli10u

Re: Projection

 

 

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ADHHUB

Nisargadatta

Wednesday, January 04, 2006 5:51 AM

Re: Projection

 

 

 

In a message dated 1/3/2006 1:41:02 PM Pacific Standard Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

" s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069

Re: Pete is faking

 

Can someone explain the meaning of the word 'projection' to me? I

would look it up but I have to get ready for work now. If no one

else here looks into it by the time I get back, I'll do the research

myself. I figure it's an important word for some odd reason.

 

" Silver "

 

 

 

Sure, why not. :)

When an individual perceives something in his own ego dynamics that he

doesn't like, this sets up an internal conflict. He judges his own behavior

or

abilities or attitudes to be bad, but doesn't know how to change it because

there are other motivations causing the behavior that have not been looked

at.

 

If, at this point, he chooses to fully acknowledge the truth of these

motivations and their associated needs and fears, and then simply accepts

these

dynamics, everything remains in the conscious mind, the judgment ceases, and

the

behavior itself changes since it originated in resistance and the

unwillingness to accept those truths to begin with.

 

More often, the conflict is seemingly resolved through a remarkable process

of self deception. The individual simply pretends that there is no conflict

and it's shoved into the unconscious, which is just a category of thoughts

that

are present but not acknowledged to be present. Since the conflict still

exists and is only ignored, the mental focus remains on this 'bad'

characteristic. He can't allow himself to notice that this 'flaw' is within

himself, and

yet, because of the mental focus, he can't help but see it as a part of his

perceptual filter. IOW, he sees his own unconscious defects in every one

but

himself, and since he judges them as bad, he will likely attempt to change

the

other, which is usually only his own reflection.

 

It's actually a fascinating process to watch from the proper perspective (a

detached one). All value judgments that are made, wherein an individual

emotionally struggles, are projections of internal conflict. This will

inform

others of the conflicts present which the individual himself in unaware of.

 

If we imagine, for the sake of explanation, that there are various ego

levels that can be transcended, we find that it's not possible to look

'upward'

through ego levels that have yet to be transcended, but one will easily be

able

to look 'downward' to levels that have. As a result, those on the 'higher'

levels will be able to discern projections without becoming attached, but

those

on the 'lower' levels will only be able to project and will see everything

through those judgmental filters.

 

If someone on a 'higher' level of ego development points out a projection

to

the one projecting, it will always be perceived as a judgment (another

projection) and invariably pointed out rather than reflected upon. It

requires

courage, willingness and vulnerability to see one's own self deceptions. I

greatly admire folks who are willing to engage in this process.

 

 

 

Phil

 

 

how about

 

" seeing in Self " ?

 

Ana

 

 

 

 

................Not enough words. Hehe.

 

Phil

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 1/4/2006 6:56:20 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> Nisargadatta writes:

>

> " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...>

> Re: Projection

>

>

> -

> ADHHUB@A...

> Nisargadatta

> Wednesday, January 04, 2006 5:51 AM

> Re: Projection

>

>

>

> In a message dated 1/3/2006 1:41:02 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> Nisargadatta writes:

>

> " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069@h...>

> Re: Pete is faking

>

> Can someone explain the meaning of the word 'projection' to me?

I

> would look it up but I have to get ready for work now. If no one

> else here looks into it by the time I get back, I'll do the

research

> myself. I figure it's an important word for some odd reason.

>

> " Silver "

>

>

>

> Sure, why not. :)

> When an individual perceives something in his own ego dynamics

that he

> doesn't like, this sets up an internal conflict. He judges his own

behavior

> or

> abilities or attitudes to be bad, but doesn't know how to change

it because

> there are other motivations causing the behavior that have not

been looked

> at.

>

> If, at this point, he chooses to fully acknowledge the truth of

these

> motivations and their associated needs and fears, and then simply

accepts

> these

> dynamics, everything remains in the conscious mind, the judgment

ceases, and

> the

> behavior itself changes since it originated in resistance and the

> unwillingness to accept those truths to begin with.

>

> More often, the conflict is seemingly resolved through a

remarkable process

> of self deception. The individual simply pretends that there is no

conflict

> and it's shoved into the unconscious, which is just a category of

thoughts

> that

> are present but not acknowledged to be present. Since the

conflict still

> exists and is only ignored, the mental focus remains on

this 'bad'

> characteristic. He can't allow himself to notice that this 'flaw'

is within

> himself, and

> yet, because of the mental focus, he can't help but see it as a

part of his

> perceptual filter. IOW, he sees his own unconscious defects in

every one

> but

> himself, and since he judges them as bad, he will likely attempt

to change

> the

> other, which is usually only his own reflection.

>

> It's actually a fascinating process to watch from the proper

perspective (a

> detached one). All value judgments that are made, wherein an

individual

> emotionally struggles, are projections of internal conflict. This

will

> inform

> others of the conflicts present which the individual himself in

unaware of.

>

> If we imagine, for the sake of explanation, that there are various

ego

> levels that can be transcended, we find that it's not possible to

look

> 'upward'

> through ego levels that have yet to be transcended, but one will

easily be

> able

> to look 'downward' to levels that have. As a result, those on

the 'higher'

> levels will be able to discern projections without becoming

attached, but

> those

> on the 'lower' levels will only be able to project and will see

everything

> through those judgmental filters.

>

> If someone on a 'higher' level of ego development points out a

projection

> to

> the one projecting, it will always be perceived as a judgment

(another

> projection) and invariably pointed out rather than reflected upon.

It

> requires

> courage, willingness and vulnerability to see one's own self

deceptions. I

> greatly admire folks who are willing to engage in this process.

>

>

>

> Phil

>

>

> how about

>

> " seeing in Self " ?

>

> Ana

>

>

>

>

> ...............Not enough words. Hehe.

>

> Phil

 

I never thought in a million years that a man would beat out a woman

over the amount of words used. What has this world come to?!?

 

" Silver "

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In a message dated 1/5/2006 3:03:10 AM Pacific Standard Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

" s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069

Re: Projection

 

Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 1/4/2006 6:56:20 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> Nisargadatta writes:

>

> " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...>

> Re: Projection

>

>

> -

> ADHHUB@A...

> Nisargadatta

> Wednesday, January 04, 2006 5:51 AM

> Re: Projection

>

>

>

> In a message dated 1/3/2006 1:41:02 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> Nisargadatta writes:

>

> " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069@h...>

> Re: Pete is faking

>

> Can someone explain the meaning of the word 'projection' to me?

I

> would look it up but I have to get ready for work now. If no one

> else here looks into it by the time I get back, I'll do the

research

> myself. I figure it's an important word for some odd reason.

>

> " Silver "

>

>

>

> Sure, why not. :)

> When an individual perceives something in his own ego dynamics

that he

> doesn't like, this sets up an internal conflict. He judges his own

behavior

> or

> abilities or attitudes to be bad, but doesn't know how to change

it because

> there are other motivations causing the behavior that have not

been looked

> at.

>

> If, at this point, he chooses to fully acknowledge the truth of

these

> motivations and their associated needs and fears, and then simply

accepts

> these

> dynamics, everything remains in the conscious mind, the judgment

ceases, and

> the

> behavior itself changes since it originated in resistance and the

> unwillingness to accept those truths to begin with.

>

> More often, the conflict is seemingly resolved through a

remarkable process

> of self deception. The individual simply pretends that there is no

conflict

> and it's shoved into the unconscious, which is just a category of

thoughts

> that

> are present but not acknowledged to be present. Since the

conflict still

> exists and is only ignored, the mental focus remains on

this 'bad'

> characteristic. He can't allow himself to notice that this 'flaw'

is within

> himself, and

> yet, because of the mental focus, he can't help but see it as a

part of his

> perceptual filter. IOW, he sees his own unconscious defects in

every one

> but

> himself, and since he judges them as bad, he will likely attempt

to change

> the

> other, which is usually only his own reflection.

>

> It's actually a fascinating process to watch from the proper

perspective (a

> detached one). All value judgments that are made, wherein an

individual

> emotionally struggles, are projections of internal conflict. This

will

> inform

> others of the conflicts present which the individual himself in

unaware of.

>

> If we imagine, for the sake of explanation, that there are various

ego

> levels that can be transcended, we find that it's not possible to

look

> 'upward'

> through ego levels that have yet to be transcended, but one will

easily be

> able

> to look 'downward' to levels that have. As a result, those on

the 'higher'

> levels will be able to discern projections without becoming

attached, but

> those

> on the 'lower' levels will only be able to project and will see

everything

> through those judgmental filters.

>

> If someone on a 'higher' level of ego development points out a

projection

> to

> the one projecting, it will always be perceived as a judgment

(another

> projection) and invariably pointed out rather than reflected upon.

It

> requires

> courage, willingness and vulnerability to see one's own self

deceptions. I

> greatly admire folks who are willing to engage in this process.

>

>

>

> Phil

>

>

> how about

>

> " seeing in Self " ?

>

> Ana

>

>

>

>

> ...............Not enough words. Hehe.

>

> Phil

 

I never thought in a million years that a man would beat out a woman

over the amount of words used. What has this world come to?!?

 

" Silver "

 

 

 

 

It does seem genetically unsound, just from a survival perspective, huh. :)

 

Phil

 

 

 

 

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