Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie4@e...> wrote: > > There are two camps in spirituality, those > who seek permanence, and wish for > immortality, and those who accept > impermanence and insubstantiality. > > Most humans whether spiritual or not, stand > on the first camp. The very precariousness > of life creates a craving for permanence and > activity. We are tied to activity through breathing, > we can't stop, even for 6 minutes, without dying. > The lungs must go on sucking air, the heart > pumping blood, to stop is to die. > > We must constantly act to live, to cease is to perish. > We fear rest. This need for bodily activity has > tainted the mind. The mind also feels this > fear of rest, this craving to solidify existence > through activities and language. We use the > word not only to communicate, but to reify > existence itself. This is a very comforting trick, > and so, even those who claim to seek truth, > seek only safety through words. They > fabricate a verbal eternal self, a soul, and > an afterlife of punishments and delights. > > The other camp tries to see beyond words, > to give up verbal entities, and to rest on the > ineffability of existence itself. Not a popular > cause, I must say! > > Pete i thought that the " two camps " in spirituality are the ones who are free....and the ones who are not (aware of...) maybe it's in the nature of things that the ones who are not....make war to same kind of..... and the ones who are free, enjoy the movie....of this " wars " .....on the screen of consciousness.....by the witness of Self ....and have nothing realy to worry and think and write and read about......except when the mind is busy working (and the body-mind intellect is playing a role on this observed screen....) " Immortality " and " Impermanence " are great movie-titles.....but both..... as unreal or real....as the the observer " think " he/she is real or unreal Regards and thank for your message Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 In a message dated 1/4/2006 1:38:05 PM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Pete S <pedsie4 The Two Warring Camps There are two camps in spirituality, those who seek permanence, and wish for immortality, and those who accept impermanence and insubstantiality. Most humans whether spiritual or not, stand on the first camp. The very precariousness of life creates a craving for permanence and activity. We are tied to activity through breathing, we can't stop, even for 6 minutes, without dying. The lungs must go on sucking air, the heart pumping blood, to stop is to die. We must constantly act to live, to cease is to perish. We fear rest. This need for bodily activity has tainted the mind. The mind also feels this fear of rest, this craving to solidify existence through activities and language. We use the word not only to communicate, but to reify existence itself. This is a very comforting trick, and so, even those who claim to seek truth, seek only safety through words. They fabricate a verbal eternal self, a soul, and an afterlife of punishments and delights. The other camp tries to see beyond words, to give up verbal entities, and to rest on the ineffability of existence itself. Not a popular cause, I must say! Pete Nicely done, Pete. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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