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Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie4@e...> wrote:

>

> There are two camps in spirituality, those

> who seek permanence, and wish for

> immortality, and those who accept

> impermanence and insubstantiality.

>

> Most humans whether spiritual or not, stand

> on the first camp. The very precariousness

> of life creates a craving for permanence and

> activity. We are tied to activity through breathing,

> we can't stop, even for 6 minutes, without dying.

> The lungs must go on sucking air, the heart

> pumping blood, to stop is to die.

>

> We must constantly act to live, to cease is to perish.

> We fear rest. This need for bodily activity has

> tainted the mind. The mind also feels this

> fear of rest, this craving to solidify existence

> through activities and language. We use the

> word not only to communicate, but to reify

> existence itself. This is a very comforting trick,

> and so, even those who claim to seek truth,

> seek only safety through words. They

> fabricate a verbal eternal self, a soul, and

> an afterlife of punishments and delights.

>

> The other camp tries to see beyond words,

> to give up verbal entities, and to rest on the

> ineffability of existence itself. Not a popular

> cause, I must say!

>

> Pete

 

 

i thought that the " two camps " in spirituality are the ones who are

free....and the ones who are not (aware of...)

 

maybe it's in the nature of things that the ones who are not....make

war to same kind of.....

 

and the ones who are free, enjoy the movie....of this " wars " .....on

the screen of consciousness.....by the witness of Self

 

....and have nothing realy to worry and think and write and read

about......except when the mind is busy working (and the body-mind

intellect is playing a role on this observed screen....)

 

" Immortality " and " Impermanence " are great movie-titles.....but

both..... as unreal or real....as the the observer " think " he/she is

real or unreal

 

Regards and thank for your message

 

Marc

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In a message dated 1/4/2006 1:38:05 PM Pacific Standard Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

Pete S <pedsie4

The Two Warring Camps

 

There are two camps in spirituality, those

who seek permanence, and wish for

immortality, and those who accept

impermanence and insubstantiality.

 

Most humans whether spiritual or not, stand

on the first camp. The very precariousness

of life creates a craving for permanence and

activity. We are tied to activity through breathing,

we can't stop, even for 6 minutes, without dying.

The lungs must go on sucking air, the heart

pumping blood, to stop is to die.

 

We must constantly act to live, to cease is to perish.

We fear rest. This need for bodily activity has

tainted the mind. The mind also feels this

fear of rest, this craving to solidify existence

through activities and language. We use the

word not only to communicate, but to reify

existence itself. This is a very comforting trick,

and so, even those who claim to seek truth,

seek only safety through words. They

fabricate a verbal eternal self, a soul, and

an afterlife of punishments and delights.

 

The other camp tries to see beyond words,

to give up verbal entities, and to rest on the

ineffability of existence itself. Not a popular

cause, I must say!

 

Pete

 

 

 

Nicely done, Pete.

 

Phil

 

 

 

 

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