Guest guest Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 I wonder if smoking isn't actually a form of meditation. A way to experience a quiet time, a moment of reflection and concentration. Those with busy competitive states of mind might use the smoking moment as a relief to their thinking, where thinking stops, and they get relief for a bit from the whirl of spinning thoughts and concerns. If that is so, a smoker might try a hot bath, or a cold shower or better, a meditation period to get the same relief and relaxation. I'll bet most smokers are not meditators. Larry Epston www.epston.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston@a... wrote: > > I wonder if smoking isn't actually a form of meditation. A way to experience > a quiet time, a moment of reflection and concentration. Those with busy > competitive states of mind might use the smoking moment as a relief to their > thinking, where thinking stops, and they get relief for a bit from the whirl of > spinning thoughts and concerns. > If that is so, a smoker might try a hot bath, or a cold shower or better, a > meditation period to get the same relief and relaxation. I'll bet most smokers > are not meditators. > > Larry Epston > www.epston.com > > yes.....good point some even " smoke " their Satguru.... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 Larry, There are two kinds of smohers, lust-smokers and frust-smokers. I am a lust-smoher. The better I feel the more I smoke and the more I feel frustrated the less I smoke. A frust-smoker smokes more when feeling frustrated. Werner Nisargadatta , epston@a... wrote: > > I wonder if smoking isn't actually a form of meditation. A way to experience > a quiet time, a moment of reflection and concentration. Those with busy > competitive states of mind might use the smoking moment as a relief to their > thinking, where thinking stops, and they get relief for a bit from the whirl of > spinning thoughts and concerns. > If that is so, a smoker might try a hot bath, or a cold shower or better, a > meditation period to get the same relief and relaxation. I'll bet most smokers > are not meditators. > > Larry Epston > www.epston.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > Werner, so the lust-smokers get cancer because of lust....and the frustrated smokers get cancer because of frustration.... .....maybe except if they feel rarely lust....or frustrated....?... sorry....i'm joking Marc > Larry, > > There are two kinds of smohers, lust-smokers and frust-smokers. > > I am a lust-smoher. The better I feel the more I smoke and the more I > feel frustrated the less I smoke. > > A frust-smoker smokes more when feeling frustrated. > > Werner > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@a... wrote: > > > > I wonder if smoking isn't actually a form of meditation. A way to > experience > > a quiet time, a moment of reflection and concentration. Those with > busy > > competitive states of mind might use the smoking moment as a relief > to their > > thinking, where thinking stops, and they get relief for a bit from > the whirl of > > spinning thoughts and concerns. > > If that is so, a smoker might try a hot bath, or a cold shower or > better, a > > meditation period to get the same relief and relaxation. I'll bet > most smokers > > are not meditators. > > > > Larry Epston > > www.epston.com > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 Marc, Not every smoker gets cancern. I depends on how early you started, what you eat (garbage or fruit and vegetables), if you drink alcohol, if you do sports, and - not to forget fate. I started smoking at a time when doing body-building in a studio. One day the owner of that studio caught me when standing outside smoking and he kicked me out of his place Werner Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > > > Werner, > > so the lust-smokers get cancer because of lust....and the frustrated > smokers get cancer because of frustration.... > > ....maybe except if they feel rarely lust....or frustrated....?... > > sorry....i'm joking > > Marc > > > > Larry, > > > > There are two kinds of smohers, lust-smokers and frust-smokers. > > > > I am a lust-smoher. The better I feel the more I smoke and the more > I > > feel frustrated the less I smoke. > > > > A frust-smoker smokes more when feeling frustrated. > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@a... wrote: > > > > > > I wonder if smoking isn't actually a form of meditation. A way > to > > experience > > > a quiet time, a moment of reflection and concentration. Those > with > > busy > > > competitive states of mind might use the smoking moment as a > relief > > to their > > > thinking, where thinking stops, and they get relief for a bit > from > > the whirl of > > > spinning thoughts and concerns. > > > If that is so, a smoker might try a hot bath, or a cold shower or > > better, a > > > meditation period to get the same relief and relaxation. I'll > bet > > most smokers > > > are not meditators. > > > > > > Larry Epston > > > www.epston.com > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: Werner, ....and then you came here...to this " studio " .....to " kick out " ....sometimes.....somebody........(joking) yes....not every smoker gets cancer....it depends on many things of life-attitudes.... Marc > Marc, > > Not every smoker gets cancern. I depends on how early you started, > what you eat (garbage or fruit and vegetables), if you drink alcohol, > if you do sports, and - not to forget fate. > > I started smoking at a time when doing body-building in a studio. One > day the owner of that studio caught me when standing outside smoking > and he kicked me out of his place > > Werner > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > Werner, > > > > so the lust-smokers get cancer because of lust....and the > frustrated > > smokers get cancer because of frustration.... > > > > ....maybe except if they feel rarely lust....or frustrated....?... > > > > sorry....i'm joking > > > > Marc > > > > > > > Larry, > > > > > > There are two kinds of smohers, lust-smokers and frust-smokers. > > > > > > I am a lust-smoher. The better I feel the more I smoke and the > more > > I > > > feel frustrated the less I smoke. > > > > > > A frust-smoker smokes more when feeling frustrated. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@a... wrote: > > > > > > > > I wonder if smoking isn't actually a form of meditation. A way > > to > > > experience > > > > a quiet time, a moment of reflection and concentration. Those > > with > > > busy > > > > competitive states of mind might use the smoking moment as a > > relief > > > to their > > > > thinking, where thinking stops, and they get relief for a bit > > from > > > the whirl of > > > > spinning thoughts and concerns. > > > > If that is so, a smoker might try a hot bath, or a cold shower > or > > > better, a > > > > meditation period to get the same relief and relaxation. I'll > > bet > > > most smokers > > > > are not meditators. > > > > > > > > Larry Epston > > > > www.epston.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > - > dennis_travis33 > Nisargadatta > Thursday, January 05, 2006 5:22 AM > Re: Smoking > > > Nisargadatta , epston@a... wrote: > > > > I wonder if smoking isn't actually a form of meditation. A way to > experience > > a quiet time, a moment of reflection and concentration. Those with > busy > > competitive states of mind might use the smoking moment as a relief > to their > > thinking, where thinking stops, and they get relief for a bit from > the whirl of > > spinning thoughts and concerns. > > If that is so, a smoker might try a hot bath, or a cold shower or > better, a > > meditation period to get the same relief and relaxation. I'll bet > most smokers > > are not meditators. > > > > Larry Epston > > www.epston.com > > > > > yes.....good point > > some even " smoke " their Satguru.... everything can be a form of meditation when done with consciousness. so...good meditation! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dennis_travis33 > > Nisargadatta > > Thursday, January 05, 2006 5:22 AM > > Re: Smoking > > > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@a... wrote: > > > > > > I wonder if smoking isn't actually a form of meditation. A way > to > > experience > > > a quiet time, a moment of reflection and concentration. Those > with > > busy > > > competitive states of mind might use the smoking moment as a > relief > > to their > > > thinking, where thinking stops, and they get relief for a bit > from > > the whirl of > > > spinning thoughts and concerns. > > > If that is so, a smoker might try a hot bath, or a cold shower > or > > better, a > > > meditation period to get the same relief and relaxation. I'll > bet > > most smokers > > > are not meditators. > > > > > > Larry Epston > > > www.epston.com > > > > > > > > yes.....good point > > > > some even " smoke " their Satguru.... > > > everything can be a form of meditation when done with consciousness. > so...good meditation! yes.....consciousness Is the form of being.....whatever......however.....whenever.... this form is changing all the time...... awareness ....or .....just being the witness.....let one meditate in every action..... even, if you want, ....in smoking the Satguru Marc PS: Werner is expert of everything concerning " consciousness " ...... i bow to the feet of Werner for his " experience and understand " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > Werner, i have to admit that i took some time to learn about this your technique......but good that you have this positive side in you Marc > Marc, > > You got it ! > > I am here to have my late revenge by kicking some poor members of > this list - epsecially those wo constantly have their mouth full of > positivisms > > Werner > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > > wrote: > > > > Werner, > > > > ...and then you came here...to this " studio " .....to " kick > > out " ....sometimes.....somebody........(joking) > > > > yes....not every smoker gets cancer....it depends on many things of > > life-attitudes.... > > > > Marc > > > > > Marc, > > > > > > Not every smoker gets cancern. I depends on how early you > started, > > > what you eat (garbage or fruit and vegetables), if you drink > > alcohol, > > > if you do sports, and - not to forget fate. > > > > > > I started smoking at a time when doing body-building in a studio. > > One > > > day the owner of that studio caught me when standing outside > > smoking > > > and he kicked me out of his place > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " > <wwoehr@p...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner, > > > > > > > > so the lust-smokers get cancer because of lust....and the > > > frustrated > > > > smokers get cancer because of frustration.... > > > > > > > > ....maybe except if they feel rarely lust....or > frustrated....?... > > > > > > > > sorry....i'm joking > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > Larry, > > > > > > > > > > There are two kinds of smohers, lust-smokers and frust- > smokers. > > > > > > > > > > I am a lust-smoher. The better I feel the more I smoke and > the > > > more > > > > I > > > > > feel frustrated the less I smoke. > > > > > > > > > > A frust-smoker smokes more when feeling frustrated. > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@a... wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I wonder if smoking isn't actually a form of meditation. A > > way > > > > to > > > > > experience > > > > > > a quiet time, a moment of reflection and concentration. > > Those > > > > with > > > > > busy > > > > > > competitive states of mind might use the smoking moment as > a > > > > relief > > > > > to their > > > > > > thinking, where thinking stops, and they get relief for a > bit > > > > from > > > > > the whirl of > > > > > > spinning thoughts and concerns. > > > > > > If that is so, a smoker might try a hot bath, or a cold > > shower > > > or > > > > > better, a > > > > > > meditation period to get the same relief and relaxation. > > I'll > > > > bet > > > > > most smokers > > > > > > are not meditators. > > > > > > > > > > > > Larry Epston > > > > > > www.epston.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 oh lord, we're in trouble now, we found a positive aspect in " werner " . damn drat and double damn. ;-) - dennis_travis33 Nisargadatta Thursday, January 05, 2006 6:16 AM Re: Smoking Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > Werner, i have to admit that i took some time to learn about this your technique......but good that you have this positive side in you Marc > Marc, > > You got it ! > > I am here to have my late revenge by kicking some poor members of > this list - epsecially those wo constantly have their mouth full of > positivisms > > Werner > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > > wrote: > > > > Werner, > > > > ...and then you came here...to this " studio " .....to " kick > > out " ....sometimes.....somebody........(joking) > > > > yes....not every smoker gets cancer....it depends on many things of > > life-attitudes.... > > > > Marc > > > > > Marc, > > > > > > Not every smoker gets cancern. I depends on how early you > started, > > > what you eat (garbage or fruit and vegetables), if you drink > > alcohol, > > > if you do sports, and - not to forget fate. > > > > > > I started smoking at a time when doing body-building in a studio. > > One > > > day the owner of that studio caught me when standing outside > > smoking > > > and he kicked me out of his place > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " > <wwoehr@p...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner, > > > > > > > > so the lust-smokers get cancer because of lust....and the > > > frustrated > > > > smokers get cancer because of frustration.... > > > > > > > > ....maybe except if they feel rarely lust....or > frustrated....?... > > > > > > > > sorry....i'm joking > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > Larry, > > > > > > > > > > There are two kinds of smohers, lust-smokers and frust- > smokers. > > > > > > > > > > I am a lust-smoher. The better I feel the more I smoke and > the > > > more > > > > I > > > > > feel frustrated the less I smoke. > > > > > > > > > > A frust-smoker smokes more when feeling frustrated. > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@a... wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I wonder if smoking isn't actually a form of meditation. A > > way > > > > to > > > > > experience > > > > > > a quiet time, a moment of reflection and concentration. > > Those > > > > with > > > > > busy > > > > > > competitive states of mind might use the smoking moment as > a > > > > relief > > > > > to their > > > > > > thinking, where thinking stops, and they get relief for a > bit > > > > from > > > > > the whirl of > > > > > > spinning thoughts and concerns. > > > > > > If that is so, a smoker might try a hot bath, or a cold > > shower > > > or > > > > > better, a > > > > > > meditation period to get the same relief and relaxation. > > I'll > > > > bet > > > > > most smokers > > > > > > are not meditators. > > > > > > > > > > > > Larry Epston > > > > > > www.epston.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > dennis_travis33 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Thursday, January 05, 2006 5:22 AM > > > Re: Smoking > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@a... wrote: > > > > > > > > I wonder if smoking isn't actually a form of meditation. A > way > > to > > > experience > > > > a quiet time, a moment of reflection and concentration. > Those > > with > > > busy > > > > competitive states of mind might use the smoking moment as a > > relief > > > to their > > > > thinking, where thinking stops, and they get relief for a bit > > from > > > the whirl of > > > > spinning thoughts and concerns. > > > > If that is so, a smoker might try a hot bath, or a cold > shower > > or > > > better, a > > > > meditation period to get the same relief and relaxation. > I'll > > bet > > > most smokers > > > > are not meditators. > > > > > > > > Larry Epston > > > > www.epston.com > > > > > > > > > > > yes.....good point > > > > > > some even " smoke " their Satguru.... > > > > > > everything can be a form of meditation when done with consciousness. > > so...good meditation! > > yes.....consciousness Is the form of > being.....whatever......however.....whenever.... > > this form is changing all the time...... > > awareness ....or .....just being the witness.....let one meditate in > every action..... > > even, if you want, ....in smoking the Satguru > > Marc > > PS: Werner is expert of everything concerning " consciousness " ...... > i bow to the feet of Werner for his " experience and understand " > lol thank you dear marc for sharing with yourSelf! love Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston@a... wrote: > > I wonder if smoking isn't actually a form of meditation. A way to experience > a quiet time, a moment of reflection and concentration. Those with busy > competitive states of mind might use the smoking moment as a relief to their > thinking, where thinking stops, and they get relief for a bit from the whirl of > spinning thoughts and concerns. > If that is so, a smoker might try a hot bath, or a cold shower or better, a > meditation period to get the same relief and relaxation. I'll bet most smokers > are not meditators. > > Larry Epston > www.epston.com At times, I do smoke in quiet contemplation, yes. I go deep into thought at these times. On other occasions, I smoke to reduce stress and to stop thinking. More often, I smoke to satisfy my craving for nicotine. Mostly, I smoke out of habit. While your suggestion to take a hot bath or a cold shower instead of smoking might seem like a good one, I would find it impractical and too time consuming for my lifestyle. I meditate every day for about a half hour. As soon as I finish, I reach for a smoke, dammit. The more I think about it, perhaps the cold shower would work best. One cannot smoke in the shower. I would have difficulty convincing my boss, however, that I need to go home to take a cold shower. " Silver " > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 lol thank you! this can be taken as a golden rule: everything taht can be performed under a shower is good and pure! Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver- 1069@h...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , epston@a... wrote: > > > > I wonder if smoking isn't actually a form of meditation. A way to > experience > > a quiet time, a moment of reflection and concentration. Those with > busy > > competitive states of mind might use the smoking moment as a relief > to their > > thinking, where thinking stops, and they get relief for a bit from > the whirl of > > spinning thoughts and concerns. > > If that is so, a smoker might try a hot bath, or a cold shower or > better, a > > meditation period to get the same relief and relaxation. I'll bet > most smokers > > are not meditators. > > > > Larry Epston > > www.epston.com > > At times, I do smoke in quiet contemplation, yes. I go deep into > thought at these times. On other occasions, I smoke to reduce stress > and to stop thinking. More often, I smoke to satisfy my craving for > nicotine. Mostly, I smoke out of habit. > > While your suggestion to take a hot bath or a cold shower instead of > smoking might seem like a good one, I would find it impractical and > too time consuming for my lifestyle. > > I meditate every day for about a half hour. As soon as I finish, I > reach for a smoke, dammit. > > The more I think about it, perhaps the cold shower would work best. > One cannot smoke in the shower. I would have difficulty convincing > my boss, however, that I need to go home to take a cold shower. > > " Silver " > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33> wrote: > so the lust-smokers get cancer because of lust....and the frustrated > smokers get cancer because of frustration.... > > ....maybe except if they feel rarely lust....or frustrated....?... > > sorry....i'm joking > > Marc Non smokers get cancer, too. I don't think science has found a strong link between smoking and getting cancer, have they? No doubt, one's health can deteriorate over time from smoking and it would prove wiser not to start. Instead of getting into what causes cancer, looking into what causes smoking would seem more useful. It appears that frustration and lust have a strong influence. We could look into those factors instead. How do frustration and lust arise? " Silver " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Marc, > > Not every smoker gets cancern. I depends on how early you started, > what you eat (garbage or fruit and vegetables), if you drink alcohol, > if you do sports, and - not to forget fate. > > I started smoking at a time when doing body-building in a studio. One > day the owner of that studio caught me when standing outside smoking > and he kicked me out of his place > > Werner I started smoking at 12 yrs; I rarely eat fruits or vegetables; I drink beer; and I never excercise. Uh-oh.... " Silver " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver- 1069@h...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > so the lust-smokers get cancer because of lust....and the frustrated > > smokers get cancer because of frustration.... > > > > ....maybe except if they feel rarely lust....or frustrated....?... > > > > sorry....i'm joking > > > > Marc > > Non smokers get cancer, too. I don't think science has found a strong > link between smoking and getting cancer, have they? No doubt, one's > health can deteriorate over time from smoking and it would prove wiser > not to start. > > Instead of getting into what causes cancer, looking into what causes > smoking would seem more useful. It appears that frustration and lust > have a strong influence. We could look into those factors instead. > > How do frustration and lust arise? > > " Silver " maybe both are caused by busy and emotional life.....filled up with endless expectations.....and so, also filled up.....with endless unfulfilled expectations Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > Werner, > > ...and then you came here...to this " studio " .....to " kick > out " ....sometimes.....somebody........(joking) > > yes....not every smoker gets cancer....it depends on many things of > life-attitudes.... > > Marc Attitude toward life: I find that interesting. What sort of attitude do non-smokers enjoy that smokers don't? I ask that question sincerely because I believe you might have a valid point here. " Silver " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 Silver, let me try, Lust arise when I see a beautiful girl and frust arises if I don't get her. When sex was good the lust-smoker will smoke after the act and when it was not good then it's the turn of the frust-smoekr Werner Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver- 1069@h...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > so the lust-smokers get cancer because of lust....and the frustrated > > smokers get cancer because of frustration.... > > > > ....maybe except if they feel rarely lust....or frustrated....?... > > > > sorry....i'm joking > > > > Marc > > Non smokers get cancer, too. I don't think science has found a strong > link between smoking and getting cancer, have they? No doubt, one's > health can deteriorate over time from smoking and it would prove wiser > not to start. > > Instead of getting into what causes cancer, looking into what causes > smoking would seem more useful. It appears that frustration and lust > have a strong influence. We could look into those factors instead. > > How do frustration and lust arise? > > " Silver " > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver- 1069@h...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > > wrote: > > > > Werner, > > > > ...and then you came here...to this " studio " .....to " kick > > out " ....sometimes.....somebody........(joking) > > > > yes....not every smoker gets cancer....it depends on many things of > > life-attitudes.... > > > > Marc > > Attitude toward life: I find that interesting. What sort of attitude > do non-smokers enjoy that smokers don't? I ask that question > sincerely because I believe you might have a valid point here. > > " Silver " difficult to answer..... i think that the consumation of cigarettes, alcool, coffee....or all other kind of drugs have the effect that during this period of time.....the body-mind- intellect get a " nice break " .....even in most stressful situations we are evoluating kind of....in " experiences and knowledge " .....no way out of this " inner path " ........the witness of Self.....don't give any real break....... the identification with body-mind-intellect let one believe sometimes that the path and choices can be decided freely..... " individual " ..... this is an illusion.....and so the frustration of not getting any real " answer and inner progress " to this " individual " choices.....let people develop the tendency..... " to have a break " ..... drugs give this break....on all levels of being.... maybe this drugs can be helpfull to don't follow so constantly false decisions and making " unnessary experiences " ..... but they also don't let the body-mind-intellect develop in spirituality....means, in Self-Realization Realized people are no more of an identification with body-mind- intellect.....no more on any path.......except " to be here and now " ..... to live in " here and now " ....is constantly having " a break " ...... maybe the influence of drugs don't make any change to this realized people so when you have deepest wish to progress in spirituality.......then there is no " demand " (order) of the body-mind-intellect....to use drugs.....or only in limited quantity ....this are only few thoughts.....and ideas.... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver- > 1069@h...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > > so the lust-smokers get cancer because of lust....and the > frustrated > > > smokers get cancer because of frustration.... > > > > > > ....maybe except if they feel rarely lust....or frustrated....?... > > > > > > sorry....i'm joking > > > > > > Marc > > > > Non smokers get cancer, too. I don't think science has found a > strong > > link between smoking and getting cancer, have they? No doubt, > one's > > health can deteriorate over time from smoking and it would prove > wiser > > not to start. > > > > Instead of getting into what causes cancer, looking into what > causes > > smoking would seem more useful. It appears that frustration and > lust > > have a strong influence. We could look into those factors instead. > > > > How do frustration and lust arise? > > > > " Silver " > > > maybe both are caused by busy and emotional life.....filled up with > endless expectations.....and so, also filled up.....with endless > unfulfilled expectations > > Marc > Expectations: Yes! I want to use the word 'anticipation' with that. Let's see. The image I have in mind of me smoking comes from past experience with it. Smoking has yeilded mental and physical pleasure and satisfaction for me in the past. Based on this memory- image, I anticipate that the same will result in the future. This memory has etched itself deeply in my mind because of repeated pleasurable and satisfying experiences with smoking. Since I have never had a negative experience with smoking, I continue to smoke and fulfill my exepectation that positive results will show up. Solution: Replace positive memory-image with a negative one. How? One time, I decided to try chewing tobacco. It literally made me vomit. Lol. I had to pull the car over, open the door and everything. Just thinking about it makes me feel a little queezy! As a result, I know I will never again chew tobacco. I hold a very negative image-memory in my mind of that experience. How can I replace the positive memory-image I have of smoking when it has repeatedly reinforced itself in my mind over so much time? It ssems that I would need to do something radical here. Perhaps if I rent a motel room for a night, bring along a carton of cigarettes with me, and smoke one cigarette after another until I vomit will help to replace the positive memory-image-experience with a negative one. I need to light a cigarette now and consider that. " Silver " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Silver, let me try, > > Lust arise when I see a beautiful girl and frust arises if I don't > get her. > > When sex was good the lust-smoker will smoke after the act and when > it was not good then it's the turn of the frust-smoekr > > Werner Lol. Very funny. So, as a lust-smoker, what do you do if the sex did not satisfy you? Try again? Hehe. Would that mean that a frust-smoker would deliberately sabotage the sexual experience? " Silver " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver- > 1069@h...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > Werner, > > > > > > ...and then you came here...to this " studio " .....to " kick > > > out " ....sometimes.....somebody........(joking) > > > > > > yes....not every smoker gets cancer....it depends on many things > of > > > life-attitudes.... > > > > > > Marc > > > > Attitude toward life: I find that interesting. What sort of > attitude > > do non-smokers enjoy that smokers don't? I ask that question > > sincerely because I believe you might have a valid point here. > > > > " Silver " > > > difficult to answer..... > > i think that the consumation of cigarettes, alcool, coffee....or all > other kind of drugs > have the effect that during this period of time.....the body-mind- > intellect get a " nice break " .....even in most stressful situations > > we are evoluating kind of....in " experiences and knowledge " .....no > way out of this " inner path " ........the witness of Self.....don't > give any real break....... > > the identification with body-mind-intellect let one believe sometimes > that the path and choices can be decided freely..... " individual " ..... > > this is an illusion.....and so the frustration of not getting any > real " answer and inner progress " to this " individual " choices.....let > people develop the tendency..... " to have a break " ..... > > drugs give this break....on all levels of being.... > > maybe this drugs can be helpfull to don't follow so constantly false > decisions and making " unnessary experiences " ..... > > but they also don't let the body-mind-intellect develop in > spirituality....means, in Self-Realization > > Realized people are no more of an identification with body-mind- > intellect.....no more on any path.......except " to be here and > now " ..... > > to live in " here and now " ....is constantly having " a break " ...... > maybe the influence of drugs don't make any change to this realized > people > > so when you have deepest wish to progress in spirituality.......then > there is no " demand " (order) of the body-mind-intellect....to use > drugs.....or only in limited quantity > > ...this are only few thoughts.....and ideas.... > > Marc > Interesting perspective. Thank you. When and if I ever Self- Realize, I shall know what you mean. " Silver " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 - s_i_l_v_e_r1069 Nisargadatta Thursday, January 05, 2006 8:12 PM Re: Smoking Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver- > 1069@h...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > > so the lust-smokers get cancer because of lust....and the > frustrated > > > smokers get cancer because of frustration.... > > > > > > ....maybe except if they feel rarely lust....or frustrated....?... > > > > > > sorry....i'm joking > > > > > > Marc > > > > Non smokers get cancer, too. I don't think science has found a > strong > > link between smoking and getting cancer, have they? No doubt, > one's > > health can deteriorate over time from smoking and it would prove > wiser > > not to start. > > > > Instead of getting into what causes cancer, looking into what > causes > > smoking would seem more useful. It appears that frustration and > lust > > have a strong influence. We could look into those factors instead. > > > > How do frustration and lust arise? > > > > " Silver " > > > maybe both are caused by busy and emotional life.....filled up with > endless expectations.....and so, also filled up.....with endless > unfulfilled expectations > > Marc > Expectations: Yes! I want to use the word 'anticipation' with that. Let's see. The image I have in mind of me smoking comes from past experience with it. Smoking has yeilded mental and physical pleasure and satisfaction for me in the past. Based on this memory- image, I anticipate that the same will result in the future. This memory has etched itself deeply in my mind because of repeated pleasurable and satisfying experiences with smoking. Since I have never had a negative experience with smoking, I continue to smoke and fulfill my exepectation that positive results will show up. Solution: Replace positive memory-image with a negative one. How? One time, I decided to try chewing tobacco. It literally made me vomit. Lol. I had to pull the car over, open the door and everything. Just thinking about it makes me feel a little queezy! As a result, I know I will never again chew tobacco. I hold a very negative image-memory in my mind of that experience. How can I replace the positive memory-image I have of smoking when it has repeatedly reinforced itself in my mind over so much time? It ssems that I would need to do something radical here. Perhaps if I rent a motel room for a night, bring along a carton of cigarettes with me, and smoke one cigarette after another until I vomit will help to replace the positive memory-image-experience with a negative one. I need to light a cigarette now and consider that. " Silver " Interesting this thing, habit. My father started smoking in Germany, thanks to free cigarettes passed out by GI's. My mother too, but she quit when I was born. Her promise kept to God, she wanted a girl. My father developed emphysema, 3 pack a day Lucky Strikes. He quit when he needed Oxygen. I've known friends, clients who carried oxygen tanks and smoked. I quit cold turkey 28 or so yrs. ago thanks to my ego, I didn't want to an older ;-) woman with a cigarette dangling from her mouth. The search for the truth of enlightenment ;-) comes in all sorts of packages, called desire and aversion. Ana ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 In a message dated 1/5/2006 7:55:46 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069 Re: Smoking Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33> wrote: > so the lust-smokers get cancer because of lust....and the frustrated > smokers get cancer because of frustration.... > > ....maybe except if they feel rarely lust....or frustrated....?... > > sorry....i'm joking > > Marc Non smokers get cancer, too. I don't think science has found a strong link between smoking and getting cancer, have they? No doubt, one's health can deteriorate over time from smoking and it would prove wiser not to start. Instead of getting into what causes cancer, looking into what causes smoking would seem more useful. It appears that frustration and lust have a strong influence. We could look into those factors instead. How do frustration and lust arise? " Silver " Desire and the frustration of desire? Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > - > s_i_l_v_e_r1069 > Nisargadatta > Thursday, January 05, 2006 8:12 PM > Re: Smoking > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver- > > 1069@h...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > > > > so the lust-smokers get cancer because of lust....and the > > frustrated > > > > smokers get cancer because of frustration.... > > > > > > > > ....maybe except if they feel rarely lust....or > frustrated....?... > > > > > > > > sorry....i'm joking > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > Non smokers get cancer, too. I don't think science has found a > > strong > > > link between smoking and getting cancer, have they? No doubt, > > one's > > > health can deteriorate over time from smoking and it would prove > > wiser > > > not to start. > > > > > > Instead of getting into what causes cancer, looking into what > > causes > > > smoking would seem more useful. It appears that frustration and > > lust > > > have a strong influence. We could look into those factors > instead. > > > > > > How do frustration and lust arise? > > > > > > " Silver " > > > > > > maybe both are caused by busy and emotional life.....filled up with > > endless expectations.....and so, also filled up.....with endless > > unfulfilled expectations > > > > Marc > > > > Expectations: Yes! I want to use the word 'anticipation' with > that. Let's see. The image I have in mind of me smoking comes from > past experience with it. Smoking has yeilded mental and physical > pleasure and satisfaction for me in the past. Based on this memory- > image, I anticipate that the same will result in the future. This > memory has etched itself deeply in my mind because of repeated > pleasurable and satisfying experiences with smoking. Since I have > never had a negative experience with smoking, I continue to smoke and > fulfill my exepectation that positive results will show up. > > Solution: Replace positive memory-image with a negative one. How? > > One time, I decided to try chewing tobacco. It literally made me > vomit. Lol. I had to pull the car over, open the door and > everything. Just thinking about it makes me feel a little queezy! > As a result, I know I will never again chew tobacco. I hold a very > negative image-memory in my mind of that experience. > > How can I replace the positive memory-image I have of smoking when it > has repeatedly reinforced itself in my mind over so much time? It > ssems that I would need to do something radical here. Perhaps if I > rent a motel room for a night, bring along a carton of cigarettes > with me, and smoke one cigarette after another until I vomit will > help to replace the positive memory-image-experience with a negative > one. > > I need to light a cigarette now and consider that. > > " Silver " > > Interesting this thing, habit. My father started smoking in Germany, thanks to free cigarettes > passed out by GI's. My mother too, but she quit when I was born. Her promise kept to God, she > wanted a girl. My father developed emphysema, 3 pack a day Lucky Strikes. He quit when he needed > Oxygen. I've known friends, clients who carried oxygen tanks and smoked. I quit cold turkey 28 or so > yrs. ago thanks to my ego, I didn't want to an older ;-) woman with a cigarette dangling from her mouth. > > The search for the truth of enlightenment ;-) comes in all sorts of packages, called desire and aversion. > > Ana Those oxygen tanks scare me. Whenever I see someone dragging an oxygen tank around with them, I picture the tank as a large cigarette. Or better yet, I envision cigarette package advertisement painted on it. " Additive-Free Blend. Canadian Classics Extra Light. " " Silver " ** > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: > > /mygroups?edit=1 > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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