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In a message dated 1/6/2006 8:34:39 PM Pacific Standard Time,

illieusion writes:

 

> How can one make realization

> steady such that its peace remains

> undisturbed in the day-to-day life?

>

> as long as " one making "

> no realization

>

 

L.E: Yeah! I wonder the same thing.

How can one make realization steady when realization only occurs when one

stops " making " , " doing, " " thinking. " ?

 

Larry

 

 

 

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In a message dated 1/7/2006 3:58:28 AM Pacific Standard Time,

wwoehr writes:

 

> One's

> >>>stopping anything does not cause enlightenment.

> >>>

> >>> " Silver "

> >>>

>

 

L.E: Depends on what is being stopped, and is anybody really stopping

anything.

 

Larry

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , epston@a... wrote:

>

> In a message dated 1/6/2006 8:34:39 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> illieusion@h... writes:

>

> > How can one make realization

> > steady such that its peace remains

> > undisturbed in the day-to-day life?

> >

> > as long as " one making "

> > no realization

> >

>

> L.E: Yeah! I wonder the same thing.

> How can one make realization steady when realization only occurs

when one

> stops " making " , " doing, " " thinking. " ?

>

> Larry

 

Does the stopper realize when the realizer stops? Or does the

realizer stop when the stopper realizes? Who does the stopping and

the realizing? Furthermore, who does the wondering about this? The

stopped realizer or the realized stopper?

 

And don't ask, " Who asks? " !!

 

" Silver "

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In a message dated 1/7/2006 5:09:05 AM Pacific Standard Time,

illieusion writes:

 

> The sense of " doership " is a false

> " overlay " on experience. Any sense of

> doership is irrelevant. But it has an

> impact because it mars the simple purity

> of what is.

>

>

> Bill

 

L.E: Clearly stated and agreed.

 

You were going to send me something.

Will you?

 

Larry

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , epston@a... wrote:

>

> In a message dated 1/6/2006 8:34:39 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> illieusion@h... writes:

>

> > How can one make realization

> > steady such that its peace remains

> > undisturbed in the day-to-day life?

> >

> > as long as " one making "

> > no realization

> >

>

> L.E: Yeah! I wonder the same thing.

> How can one make realization steady when realization only occurs

when one

> stops " making " , " doing, " " thinking. " ?

>

> Larry

 

The experience of enlightenment or so-called realization of

continuous and undisturbed peace presupposes an experiencer. One's

stopping anything does not cause enlightenment.

 

" Silver "

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Nisargadatta , epston@a... wrote:

>

> In a message dated 1/6/2006 8:34:39 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> illieusion@h... writes:

>

> > How can one make realization

> > steady such that its peace remains

> > undisturbed in the day-to-day life?

> >

> > as long as " one making "

> > no realization

> >

>

> L.E: Yeah! I wonder the same thing.

> How can one make realization steady when realization only occurs

when one

> stops " making " , " doing, " " thinking. " ?

>

> Larry

 

Sopping implies a beginning and an ending. Timeless Being IS.

 

" Silver "

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The " experiencer " and undisturbed peace are only a contradiction when

they take the wrong position: The " experiencer " in the foreground and

peace in the background. The other way round works ok.

 

Werner

 

Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-

1069@h...> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , epston@a... wrote:

> >

> > In a message dated 1/6/2006 8:34:39 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> > illieusion@h... writes:

> >

> > > How can one make realization

> > > steady such that its peace remains

> > > undisturbed in the day-to-day life?

> > >

> > > as long as " one making "

> > > no realization

> > >

> >

> > L.E: Yeah! I wonder the same thing.

> > How can one make realization steady when realization only occurs

> when one

> > stops " making " , " doing, " " thinking. " ?

> >

> > Larry

>

> The experience of enlightenment or so-called realization of

> continuous and undisturbed peace presupposes an experiencer. One's

> stopping anything does not cause enlightenment.

>

> " Silver "

>

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Right on! Another way of saying that the experience of peace " in the

foreground " presupposes a so-called experiencer " in the background. "

 

And all part of the dream.

 

" Silver "

 

Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...>

wrote:

>

> The " experiencer " and undisturbed peace are only a contradiction

when

> they take the wrong position: The " experiencer " in the foreground

and

> peace in the background. The other way round works ok.

>

> Werner

>

> Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-

> 1069@h...> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , epston@a... wrote:

> > >

> > > In a message dated 1/6/2006 8:34:39 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> > > illieusion@h... writes:

> > >

> > > > How can one make realization

> > > > steady such that its peace remains

> > > > undisturbed in the day-to-day life?

> > > >

> > > > as long as " one making "

> > > > no realization

> > > >

> > >

> > > L.E: Yeah! I wonder the same thing.

> > > How can one make realization steady when realization only

occurs

> > when one

> > > stops " making " , " doing, " " thinking. " ?

> > >

> > > Larry

> >

> > The experience of enlightenment or so-called realization of

> > continuous and undisturbed peace presupposes an experiencer.

One's

> > stopping anything does not cause enlightenment.

> >

> > " Silver "

> >

>

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Silver,

 

Just wait a moment.

 

The experiencer is just another word for the illusion of separation.

 

The " experiencer in the backgound " is a metaphor for " separation is

gone but could return at any time " . The beast is hiding in its cave

but can leave it any time and grab you.

 

Werner

 

 

Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-

1069@h...> wrote:

>

> Right on! Another way of saying that the experience of peace " in

the

> foreground " presupposes a so-called experiencer " in the background. "

>

> And all part of the dream.

>

> " Silver "

>

> Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...>

> wrote:

> >

> > The " experiencer " and undisturbed peace are only a contradiction

> when

> > they take the wrong position: The " experiencer " in the foreground

> and

> > peace in the background. The other way round works ok.

> >

> > Werner

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-

> > 1069@h...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , epston@a... wrote:

> > > >

> > > > In a message dated 1/6/2006 8:34:39 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> > > > illieusion@h... writes:

> > > >

> > > > > How can one make realization

> > > > > steady such that its peace remains

> > > > > undisturbed in the day-to-day life?

> > > > >

> > > > > as long as " one making "

> > > > > no realization

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > L.E: Yeah! I wonder the same thing.

> > > > How can one make realization steady when realization only

> occurs

> > > when one

> > > > stops " making " , " doing, " " thinking. " ?

> > > >

> > > > Larry

> > >

> > > The experience of enlightenment or so-called realization of

> > > continuous and undisturbed peace presupposes an experiencer.

> One's

> > > stopping anything does not cause enlightenment.

> > >

> > > " Silver "

> > >

> >

>

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Yes. And what happens to the experiencer when the experience of

peace (let us call it Advaita instead) vanishes? Where does

the " experiencer in the background " go? Back to the foreground, of

course, awaiting for the moment when the experience of Advaita

returns.

 

Advaita transcends the illusoriness of all experience. It has no ego

with which to experience Itself.

 

" Silver "

 

Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...>

wrote:

>

> Silver,

>

> Just wait a moment.

>

> The experiencer is just another word for the illusion of separation.

>

> The " experiencer in the backgound " is a metaphor for " separation is

> gone but could return at any time " . The beast is hiding in its cave

> but can leave it any time and grab you.

>

> Werner

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-

> 1069@h...> wrote:

> >

> > Right on! Another way of saying that the experience of peace " in

> the

> > foreground " presupposes a so-called experiencer " in the

background. "

> >

> > And all part of the dream.

> >

> > " Silver "

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > The " experiencer " and undisturbed peace are only a

contradiction

> > when

> > > they take the wrong position: The " experiencer " in the

foreground

> > and

> > > peace in the background. The other way round works ok.

> > >

> > > Werner

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-

> > > 1069@h...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , epston@a... wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > In a message dated 1/6/2006 8:34:39 PM Pacific Standard

Time,

> > > > > illieusion@h... writes:

> > > > >

> > > > > > How can one make realization

> > > > > > steady such that its peace remains

> > > > > > undisturbed in the day-to-day life?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > as long as " one making "

> > > > > > no realization

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > L.E: Yeah! I wonder the same thing.

> > > > > How can one make realization steady when realization only

> > occurs

> > > > when one

> > > > > stops " making " , " doing, " " thinking. " ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Larry

> > > >

> > > > The experience of enlightenment or so-called realization of

> > > > continuous and undisturbed peace presupposes an experiencer.

> > One's

> > > > stopping anything does not cause enlightenment.

> > > >

> > > > " Silver "

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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Nisargadatta , epston@a... wrote:

>

> In a message dated 1/6/2006 8:34:39 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> illieusion@h... writes:

>

> > How can one make realization

> > steady such that its peace remains

> > undisturbed in the day-to-day life?

> >

> > as long as " one making "

> > no realization

> >

>

> L.E: Yeah! I wonder the same thing.

> How can one make realization steady when realization only occurs

when one

> stops " making " , " doing, " " thinking. " ?

>

> Larry

 

Actually, I wasn't wondering that.

You misquoted.

Someone *else* wrote:

> > How can one make realization

> > steady such that its peace remains

> > undisturbed in the day-to-day life?

 

I wrote:

> > as long as " one making "

> > no realization

 

Whatever " realization " is, it certainly

is not something " attained " by *someone*.

 

And making, doing, thinking do not stop.

That is unrelated.

 

But the doing, thinking, making are no

longer experienced as *done by* anyone.

They " just happen " .

 

The sense of " doership " is a false

" overlay " on experience. Any sense of

doership is irrelevant. But it has an

impact because it mars the simple purity

of what is.

 

 

Bill

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