Guest guest Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 In a message dated 1/6/2006 8:34:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, illieusion writes: > How can one make realization > steady such that its peace remains > undisturbed in the day-to-day life? > > as long as " one making " > no realization > L.E: Yeah! I wonder the same thing. How can one make realization steady when realization only occurs when one stops " making " , " doing, " " thinking. " ? Larry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 In a message dated 1/7/2006 3:58:28 AM Pacific Standard Time, wwoehr writes: > One's > >>>stopping anything does not cause enlightenment. > >>> > >>> " Silver " > >>> > L.E: Depends on what is being stopped, and is anybody really stopping anything. Larry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 1/6/2006 8:34:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, > illieusion@h... writes: > > > How can one make realization > > steady such that its peace remains > > undisturbed in the day-to-day life? > > > > as long as " one making " > > no realization > > > > L.E: Yeah! I wonder the same thing. > How can one make realization steady when realization only occurs when one > stops " making " , " doing, " " thinking. " ? > > Larry Does the stopper realize when the realizer stops? Or does the realizer stop when the stopper realizes? Who does the stopping and the realizing? Furthermore, who does the wondering about this? The stopped realizer or the realized stopper? And don't ask, " Who asks? " !! " Silver " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 In a message dated 1/7/2006 5:09:05 AM Pacific Standard Time, illieusion writes: > The sense of " doership " is a false > " overlay " on experience. Any sense of > doership is irrelevant. But it has an > impact because it mars the simple purity > of what is. > > > Bill L.E: Clearly stated and agreed. You were going to send me something. Will you? Larry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 1/6/2006 8:34:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, > illieusion@h... writes: > > > How can one make realization > > steady such that its peace remains > > undisturbed in the day-to-day life? > > > > as long as " one making " > > no realization > > > > L.E: Yeah! I wonder the same thing. > How can one make realization steady when realization only occurs when one > stops " making " , " doing, " " thinking. " ? > > Larry The experience of enlightenment or so-called realization of continuous and undisturbed peace presupposes an experiencer. One's stopping anything does not cause enlightenment. " Silver " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 1/6/2006 8:34:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, > illieusion@h... writes: > > > How can one make realization > > steady such that its peace remains > > undisturbed in the day-to-day life? > > > > as long as " one making " > > no realization > > > > L.E: Yeah! I wonder the same thing. > How can one make realization steady when realization only occurs when one > stops " making " , " doing, " " thinking. " ? > > Larry Sopping implies a beginning and an ending. Timeless Being IS. " Silver " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 The " experiencer " and undisturbed peace are only a contradiction when they take the wrong position: The " experiencer " in the foreground and peace in the background. The other way round works ok. Werner Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver- 1069@h...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , epston@a... wrote: > > > > In a message dated 1/6/2006 8:34:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > illieusion@h... writes: > > > > > How can one make realization > > > steady such that its peace remains > > > undisturbed in the day-to-day life? > > > > > > as long as " one making " > > > no realization > > > > > > > L.E: Yeah! I wonder the same thing. > > How can one make realization steady when realization only occurs > when one > > stops " making " , " doing, " " thinking. " ? > > > > Larry > > The experience of enlightenment or so-called realization of > continuous and undisturbed peace presupposes an experiencer. One's > stopping anything does not cause enlightenment. > > " Silver " > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 Right on! Another way of saying that the experience of peace " in the foreground " presupposes a so-called experiencer " in the background. " And all part of the dream. " Silver " Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > The " experiencer " and undisturbed peace are only a contradiction when > they take the wrong position: The " experiencer " in the foreground and > peace in the background. The other way round works ok. > > Werner > > Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver- > 1069@h...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@a... wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 1/6/2006 8:34:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > > illieusion@h... writes: > > > > > > > How can one make realization > > > > steady such that its peace remains > > > > undisturbed in the day-to-day life? > > > > > > > > as long as " one making " > > > > no realization > > > > > > > > > > L.E: Yeah! I wonder the same thing. > > > How can one make realization steady when realization only occurs > > when one > > > stops " making " , " doing, " " thinking. " ? > > > > > > Larry > > > > The experience of enlightenment or so-called realization of > > continuous and undisturbed peace presupposes an experiencer. One's > > stopping anything does not cause enlightenment. > > > > " Silver " > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 Silver, Just wait a moment. The experiencer is just another word for the illusion of separation. The " experiencer in the backgound " is a metaphor for " separation is gone but could return at any time " . The beast is hiding in its cave but can leave it any time and grab you. Werner Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver- 1069@h...> wrote: > > Right on! Another way of saying that the experience of peace " in the > foreground " presupposes a so-called experiencer " in the background. " > > And all part of the dream. > > " Silver " > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > > > The " experiencer " and undisturbed peace are only a contradiction > when > > they take the wrong position: The " experiencer " in the foreground > and > > peace in the background. The other way round works ok. > > > > Werner > > > > Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver- > > 1069@h...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@a... wrote: > > > > > > > > In a message dated 1/6/2006 8:34:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > > > illieusion@h... writes: > > > > > > > > > How can one make realization > > > > > steady such that its peace remains > > > > > undisturbed in the day-to-day life? > > > > > > > > > > as long as " one making " > > > > > no realization > > > > > > > > > > > > > L.E: Yeah! I wonder the same thing. > > > > How can one make realization steady when realization only > occurs > > > when one > > > > stops " making " , " doing, " " thinking. " ? > > > > > > > > Larry > > > > > > The experience of enlightenment or so-called realization of > > > continuous and undisturbed peace presupposes an experiencer. > One's > > > stopping anything does not cause enlightenment. > > > > > > " Silver " > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 Yes. And what happens to the experiencer when the experience of peace (let us call it Advaita instead) vanishes? Where does the " experiencer in the background " go? Back to the foreground, of course, awaiting for the moment when the experience of Advaita returns. Advaita transcends the illusoriness of all experience. It has no ego with which to experience Itself. " Silver " Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Silver, > > Just wait a moment. > > The experiencer is just another word for the illusion of separation. > > The " experiencer in the backgound " is a metaphor for " separation is > gone but could return at any time " . The beast is hiding in its cave > but can leave it any time and grab you. > > Werner > > > Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver- > 1069@h...> wrote: > > > > Right on! Another way of saying that the experience of peace " in > the > > foreground " presupposes a so-called experiencer " in the background. " > > > > And all part of the dream. > > > > " Silver " > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > > wrote: > > > > > > The " experiencer " and undisturbed peace are only a contradiction > > when > > > they take the wrong position: The " experiencer " in the foreground > > and > > > peace in the background. The other way round works ok. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver- > > > 1069@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@a... wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 1/6/2006 8:34:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > > > > illieusion@h... writes: > > > > > > > > > > > How can one make realization > > > > > > steady such that its peace remains > > > > > > undisturbed in the day-to-day life? > > > > > > > > > > > > as long as " one making " > > > > > > no realization > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > L.E: Yeah! I wonder the same thing. > > > > > How can one make realization steady when realization only > > occurs > > > > when one > > > > > stops " making " , " doing, " " thinking. " ? > > > > > > > > > > Larry > > > > > > > > The experience of enlightenment or so-called realization of > > > > continuous and undisturbed peace presupposes an experiencer. > > One's > > > > stopping anything does not cause enlightenment. > > > > > > > > " Silver " > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 1/6/2006 8:34:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, > illieusion@h... writes: > > > How can one make realization > > steady such that its peace remains > > undisturbed in the day-to-day life? > > > > as long as " one making " > > no realization > > > > L.E: Yeah! I wonder the same thing. > How can one make realization steady when realization only occurs when one > stops " making " , " doing, " " thinking. " ? > > Larry Actually, I wasn't wondering that. You misquoted. Someone *else* wrote: > > How can one make realization > > steady such that its peace remains > > undisturbed in the day-to-day life? I wrote: > > as long as " one making " > > no realization Whatever " realization " is, it certainly is not something " attained " by *someone*. And making, doing, thinking do not stop. That is unrelated. But the doing, thinking, making are no longer experienced as *done by* anyone. They " just happen " . The sense of " doership " is a false " overlay " on experience. Any sense of doership is irrelevant. But it has an impact because it mars the simple purity of what is. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 > You were going to send me something. > Will you? yeah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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