Guest guest Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 " To give up the task of reforming society is to up one's responsibility as a free man. " " What broke in a man that he can bring himself to kill another? " " Who knows for what we live and struggle and die?...Wise men write many books, in words to hard to understand. But this, the purpose of our lives, the end of all struggle, is beyond all human wisdom. " Alan Paton 1/11/1903-4/12/1988 South African novelist and activist against apartheid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > > > > " To give up the task of reforming society is to up one's responsibility as a free man. " > > " What broke in a man that he can bring himself to kill another? " > > " Who knows for what we live and struggle and die?...Wise men write many books, in words to hard to understand. But this, the purpose of our lives, the end of all struggle, > is beyond all human wisdom. " > > > > > Alan Paton 1/11/1903-4/12/1988 > > South African novelist and activist against apartheid > > >....everybody is indead....free.....to live life.....however, whenever,wherever,.... some who don't feel to be free....fight to reach this...... some who feel to be free......enjoy the peace of....being Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 In a message dated 1/9/2006 4:05:01 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 Re: Quotes from Alan Paton Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > dennis_travis33 > Nisargadatta > Monday, January 09, 2006 6:15 AM > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > " To give up the task of reforming society is to up one's > responsibility as a free man. " > > > > " What broke in a man that he can bring himself to kill another? " > > > > " Who knows for what we live and struggle and die?...Wise men write > many books, in words to hard to understand. But this, the purpose of > our lives, the end of all struggle, > > is beyond all human wisdom. " > > > > > > > > > > Alan Paton 1/11/1903-4/12/1988 > > > > South African novelist and activist against apartheid > > > > > >....everybody is indead....free.....to live life.....however, > whenever,wherever,.... > > some who don't feel to be free....fight to reach this...... > > some who feel to be free......enjoy the peace of....being > > Marc > > > and some who are free in spirit ARE the skillful means to bring > peace into the mind-body-soul-spirit of the world. > > we have become the wounded healer. we are the peace-being bringing > light where darkness exists. > > Ana you only can bring peace in this your (individual) world conception........means, discover this peace....which is There.....since ever thats all Marc Yes, Reality cannot be brought into illusion. It's the illusion that must acknowledge Reality, and no one can cause this to occur. As such, it is a movement in one direction only; from the perception that darkness exists, to the realization that it does not. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 In a message dated 1/9/2006 1:14:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u Re: Re: Quotes from Alan Paton - dennis_travis33 Nisargadatta Monday, January 09, 2006 6:50 AM Re: Quotes from Alan Paton Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > - > dennis_travis33 > Nisargadatta > Monday, January 09, 2006 6:15 AM > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > " To give up the task of reforming society is to up one's > responsibility as a free man. " > > > > " What broke in a man that he can bring himself to kill another? " > > > > " Who knows for what we live and struggle and die?...Wise men write > many books, in words to hard to understand. But this, the purpose of > our lives, the end of all struggle, > > is beyond all human wisdom. " > > > > > > > > > > Alan Paton 1/11/1903-4/12/1988 > > > > South African novelist and activist against apartheid > > > > > >....everybody is indead....free.....to live life.....however, > whenever,wherever,.... > > some who don't feel to be free....fight to reach this...... > > some who feel to be free......enjoy the peace of....being > > Marc > > > and some who are free in spirit ARE the skillful means to bring > peace into the mind-body-soul-spirit of the world. > > we have become the wounded healer. we are the peace-being bringing > light where darkness exists. > > Ana do you want the waves to be transformed into ocean?.... i believe this is a nice ideal.....but it will not work..... Marc Remember my Beloved Marc, it is always a beLIEf first, an act of faith second and experienced at long last. We do who we are. Love Ana Remember my beloved Ana, belief and faith are notions that are illusory as experience. Being is all important. One will do as a natural and inevitable flow of what one is BEING. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 In a message dated 1/9/2006 1:14:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba Re: Quotes from Alan Paton Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > dennis_travis33 > > Nisargadatta > > Monday, January 09, 2006 6:50 AM > > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > dennis_travis33 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Monday, January 09, 2006 6:15 AM > > > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " > <nli10u@c...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " To give up the task of reforming society is to up one's > > > responsibility as a free man. " > > > > > > > > " What broke in a man that he can bring himself to kill > another? " > > > > > > > > " Who knows for what we live and struggle and die?...Wise > men > > write > > > many books, in words to hard to understand. But this, the > > purpose of > > > our lives, the end of all struggle, > > > > is beyond all human wisdom. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alan Paton 1/11/1903-4/12/1988 > > > > > > > > South African novelist and activist against apartheid > > > > > > > > > > > >....everybody is indead....free.....to live > life.....however, > > > whenever,wherever,.... > > > > > > some who don't feel to be free....fight to reach this...... > > > > > > some who feel to be free......enjoy the peace of....being > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > and some who are free in spirit ARE the skillful means to > bring > > > peace into the mind-body-soul-spirit of the world. > > > > > > we have become the wounded healer. we are the peace-being > > bringing > > > light where darkness exists. > > > > > > Ana > > > > > > do you want the waves to be transformed into ocean?.... > > > > i believe this is a nice ideal.....but it will not work..... > > > > Marc > > > > Remember my Beloved Marc, it is always a beLIEf first, > > an act of faith second and experienced at long last. > > > > We do who we are. > > > > Love > > Ana > > this is what is your pesonal " experience " about.... > > remember that it's this your individual " concept " and perception > about.......peace is concerned about absolutely Nothing > > Marc dear Marc, love is not personal... counsciousness is not personal ....if with personal you mean that is confined somewhere... Can 'one' have an impersonal experience? Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 In a message dated 1/9/2006 1:14:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u Re: Re: Quotes from Alan Paton - dennis_travis33 Nisargadatta Monday, January 09, 2006 8:07 AM Re: Quotes from Alan Paton Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > - > dennis_travis33 > Nisargadatta > Monday, January 09, 2006 6:50 AM > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dennis_travis33 > > Nisargadatta > > Monday, January 09, 2006 6:15 AM > > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " To give up the task of reforming society is to up one's > > responsibility as a free man. " > > > > > > " What broke in a man that he can bring himself to kill another? " > > > > > > " Who knows for what we live and struggle and die?...Wise men > write > > many books, in words to hard to understand. But this, the > purpose of > > our lives, the end of all struggle, > > > is beyond all human wisdom. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alan Paton 1/11/1903-4/12/1988 > > > > > > South African novelist and activist against apartheid > > > > > > > > >....everybody is indead....free.....to live life.....however, > > whenever,wherever,.... > > > > some who don't feel to be free....fight to reach this...... > > > > some who feel to be free......enjoy the peace of....being > > > > Marc > > > > > > and some who are free in spirit ARE the skillful means to bring > > peace into the mind-body-soul-spirit of the world. > > > > we have become the wounded healer. we are the peace-being > bringing > > light where darkness exists. > > > > Ana > > > do you want the waves to be transformed into ocean?.... > > i believe this is a nice ideal.....but it will not work..... > > Marc > > Remember my Beloved Marc, it is always a beLIEf first, > an act of faith second and experienced at long last. > > We do who we are. > > Love > Ana this is what is your pesonal " experience " about.... remember that it's this your individual " concept " and perception about.......peace is concerned about absolutely Nothing Marc peace is the absolute nothing seeking entrance into the relative everything... A doorway to THIS IS. IMHO Ana What, pray tell, is the meaning of Absolute nothing entering an illusion?...... How's about this: Absolute peace IS reality. No Absolute anything can enter relativity or it would become relative. Illusion realizes itself to be Truth. Truth never realizes itself to be ill usion......IMHO. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote: > > > In a message dated 1/9/2006 4:05:01 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33> > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > dennis_travis33 > > Nisargadatta > > Monday, January 09, 2006 6:15 AM > > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " To give up the task of reforming society is to up one's > > responsibility as a free man. " > > > > > > " What broke in a man that he can bring himself to kill another? " > > > > > > " Who knows for what we live and struggle and die?...Wise men > write > > many books, in words to hard to understand. But this, the > purpose of > > our lives, the end of all struggle, > > > is beyond all human wisdom. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alan Paton 1/11/1903-4/12/1988 > > > > > > South African novelist and activist against apartheid > > > > > > > > >....everybody is indead....free.....to live life.....however, > > whenever,wherever,.... > > > > some who don't feel to be free....fight to reach this...... > > > > some who feel to be free......enjoy the peace of....being > > > > Marc > > > > > > and some who are free in spirit ARE the skillful means to bring > > peace into the mind-body-soul-spirit of the world. > > > > we have become the wounded healer. we are the peace-being > bringing > > light where darkness exists. > > > > Ana > > you only can bring peace in this your (individual) world > conception........means, discover this peace....which is > There.....since ever > > thats all > > Marc > > > > > Yes, Reality cannot be brought into illusion. It's the illusion that must > acknowledge Reality, and no one can cause this to occur. As such, it is a > movement in one direction only; from the perception that darkness exists, to the > realization that it does not. > > Phil Yes Phil.... " darkness " is often used by people who also talk about " light " ..... like it seem that they have " light " because of some " darkness " (before or around)......or opposite " .....from the perception that darkness exists, to the > realization that it does not. " yes....thats what is peace about.....peace about " darkness " and " light " .......about " birth and death " ......about " past and future " .......about.....many things Marc > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 - ADHHUB Nisargadatta Tuesday, January 10, 2006 1:12 AM Re: Quotes from Alan Paton In a message dated 1/9/2006 1:14:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u Re: Re: Quotes from Alan Paton - dennis_travis33 Nisargadatta Monday, January 09, 2006 6:50 AM Re: Quotes from Alan Paton Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > - > dennis_travis33 > Nisargadatta > Monday, January 09, 2006 6:15 AM > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > " To give up the task of reforming society is to up one's > responsibility as a free man. " > > > > " What broke in a man that he can bring himself to kill another? " > > > > " Who knows for what we live and struggle and die?...Wise men write > many books, in words to hard to understand. But this, the purpose of > our lives, the end of all struggle, > > is beyond all human wisdom. " > > > > > > > > > > Alan Paton 1/11/1903-4/12/1988 > > > > South African novelist and activist against apartheid > > > > > >....everybody is indead....free.....to live life.....however, > whenever,wherever,.... > > some who don't feel to be free....fight to reach this...... > > some who feel to be free......enjoy the peace of....being > > Marc > > > and some who are free in spirit ARE the skillful means to bring > peace into the mind-body-soul-spirit of the world. > > we have become the wounded healer. we are the peace-being bringing > light where darkness exists. > > Ana do you want the waves to be transformed into ocean?.... i believe this is a nice ideal.....but it will not work..... Marc Remember my Beloved Marc, it is always a beLIEf first, an act of faith second and experienced at long last. We do who we are. Love Ana Remember my beloved Ana, belief and faith are notions that are illusory as experience. Being is all important. One will do as a natural and inevitable flow of what one is BEING. Phil Well, my dear Phil, it's just this, chock full of notions such as Being, a full blown idyllic /ideaic lystyle, including the Isness of Is, in of and as This. ;-) Ana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 - ADHHUB Nisargadatta Tuesday, January 10, 2006 1:17 AM Re: Quotes from Alan Paton In a message dated 1/9/2006 1:14:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba Re: Quotes from Alan Paton Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > dennis_travis33 > > Nisargadatta > > Monday, January 09, 2006 6:50 AM > > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > dennis_travis33 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Monday, January 09, 2006 6:15 AM > > > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " > <nli10u@c...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " To give up the task of reforming society is to up one's > > > responsibility as a free man. " > > > > > > > > " What broke in a man that he can bring himself to kill > another? " > > > > > > > > " Who knows for what we live and struggle and die?...Wise > men > > write > > > many books, in words to hard to understand. But this, the > > purpose of > > > our lives, the end of all struggle, > > > > is beyond all human wisdom. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alan Paton 1/11/1903-4/12/1988 > > > > > > > > South African novelist and activist against apartheid > > > > > > > > > > > >....everybody is indead....free.....to live > life.....however, > > > whenever,wherever,.... > > > > > > some who don't feel to be free....fight to reach this...... > > > > > > some who feel to be free......enjoy the peace of....being > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > and some who are free in spirit ARE the skillful means to > bring > > > peace into the mind-body-soul-spirit of the world. > > > > > > we have become the wounded healer. we are the peace-being > > bringing > > > light where darkness exists. > > > > > > Ana > > > > > > do you want the waves to be transformed into ocean?.... > > > > i believe this is a nice ideal.....but it will not work..... > > > > Marc > > > > Remember my Beloved Marc, it is always a beLIEf first, > > an act of faith second and experienced at long last. > > > > We do who we are. > > > > Love > > Ana > > this is what is your pesonal " experience " about.... > > remember that it's this your individual " concept " and perception > about.......peace is concerned about absolutely Nothing > > Marc dear Marc, love is not personal... counsciousness is not personal ...if with personal you mean that is confined somewhere... Can 'one' have an impersonal experience? Phil Yes... the experience of " I " hugs, Ana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 - ADHHUB Nisargadatta Tuesday, January 10, 2006 2:41 AM Re: Quotes from Alan Paton In a message dated 1/9/2006 1:14:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u Re: Re: Quotes from Alan Paton - dennis_travis33 Nisargadatta Monday, January 09, 2006 8:07 AM Re: Quotes from Alan Paton Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > - > dennis_travis33 > Nisargadatta > Monday, January 09, 2006 6:50 AM > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dennis_travis33 > > Nisargadatta > > Monday, January 09, 2006 6:15 AM > > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " To give up the task of reforming society is to up one's > > responsibility as a free man. " > > > > > > " What broke in a man that he can bring himself to kill another? " > > > > > > " Who knows for what we live and struggle and die?...Wise men > write > > many books, in words to hard to understand. But this, the > purpose of > > our lives, the end of all struggle, > > > is beyond all human wisdom. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alan Paton 1/11/1903-4/12/1988 > > > > > > South African novelist and activist against apartheid > > > > > > > > >....everybody is indead....free.....to live life.....however, > > whenever,wherever,.... > > > > some who don't feel to be free....fight to reach this...... > > > > some who feel to be free......enjoy the peace of....being > > > > Marc > > > > > > and some who are free in spirit ARE the skillful means to bring > > peace into the mind-body-soul-spirit of the world. > > > > we have become the wounded healer. we are the peace-being > bringing > > light where darkness exists. > > > > Ana > > > do you want the waves to be transformed into ocean?.... > > i believe this is a nice ideal.....but it will not work..... > > Marc > > Remember my Beloved Marc, it is always a beLIEf first, > an act of faith second and experienced at long last. > > We do who we are. > > Love > Ana this is what is your pesonal " experience " about.... remember that it's this your individual " concept " and perception about.......peace is concerned about absolutely Nothing Marc peace is the absolute nothing seeking entrance into the relative everything... A doorway to THIS IS. IMHO Ana What, pray tell, is the meaning of Absolute nothing entering an illusion?...... How's about this: Absolute peace IS reality. No Absolute anything can enter relativity or it would become relative. Illusion realizes itself to be Truth. Truth never realizes itself to be ill usion......IMHO. Phil " you " are the illusion of truth. ;-) Ana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > - > ADHHUB@A... > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, January 10, 2006 1:17 AM > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton > > > > In a message dated 1/9/2006 1:14:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > dennis_travis33 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Monday, January 09, 2006 6:50 AM > > > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > dennis_travis33 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Monday, January 09, 2006 6:15 AM > > > > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " > > <nli10u@c...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " To give up the task of reforming society is to up one's > > > > responsibility as a free man. " > > > > > > > > > > " What broke in a man that he can bring himself to kill > > another? " > > > > > > > > > > " Who knows for what we live and struggle and die?...Wise > > men > > > write > > > > many books, in words to hard to understand. But this, the > > > purpose of > > > > our lives, the end of all struggle, > > > > > is beyond all human wisdom. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alan Paton 1/11/1903-4/12/1988 > > > > > > > > > > South African novelist and activist against apartheid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >....everybody is indead....free.....to live > > life.....however, > > > > whenever,wherever,.... > > > > > > > > some who don't feel to be free....fight to reach this...... > > > > > > > > some who feel to be free......enjoy the peace of....being > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > and some who are free in spirit ARE the skillful means to > > bring > > > > peace into the mind-body-soul-spirit of the world. > > > > > > > > we have become the wounded healer. we are the peace- being > > > bringing > > > > light where darkness exists. > > > > > > > > Ana > > > > > > > > > do you want the waves to be transformed into ocean?.... > > > > > > i believe this is a nice ideal.....but it will not work..... > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > Remember my Beloved Marc, it is always a beLIEf first, > > > an act of faith second and experienced at long last. > > > > > > We do who we are. > > > > > > Love > > > Ana > > > > this is what is your pesonal " experience " about.... > > > > remember that it's this your individual " concept " and perception > > about.......peace is concerned about absolutely Nothing > > > > Marc > > > dear Marc, > > love is not personal... counsciousness is not personal > > ...if with personal you mean that is confined somewhere... > > > > > Can 'one' have an impersonal experience? > > Phil > > > Yes... the experience of " I " > > hugs, > Ana cristal clear Ana and Phil > > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: > > /mygroups?edit=1 > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > > > > - > > ADHHUB@A... > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, January 10, 2006 1:17 AM > > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton > > > > > > > > In a message dated 1/9/2006 1:14:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> > > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " > <nli10u@c...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > dennis_travis33 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Monday, January 09, 2006 6:50 AM > > > > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " > <nli10u@c...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > dennis_travis33 > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Monday, January 09, 2006 6:15 AM > > > > > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " > > > <nli10u@c...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " To give up the task of reforming society is to up > one's > > > > > responsibility as a free man. " > > > > > > > > > > > > " What broke in a man that he can bring himself to > kill > > > another? " > > > > > > > > > > > > " Who knows for what we live and struggle and > die?...Wise > > > men > > > > write > > > > > many books, in words to hard to understand. But > this, the > > > > purpose of > > > > > our lives, the end of all struggle, > > > > > > is beyond all human wisdom. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alan Paton 1/11/1903-4/12/1988 > > > > > > > > > > > > South African novelist and activist against > apartheid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >....everybody is indead....free.....to live > > > life.....however, > > > > > whenever,wherever,.... > > > > > > > > > > some who don't feel to be free....fight to reach > this...... > > > > > > > > > > some who feel to be free......enjoy the peace > of....being > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and some who are free in spirit ARE the skillful means > to > > > bring > > > > > peace into the mind-body-soul-spirit of the world. > > > > > > > > > > we have become the wounded healer. we are the peace- > being > > > > bringing > > > > > light where darkness exists. > > > > > > > > > > Ana > > > > > > > > > > > > do you want the waves to be transformed into ocean?.... > > > > > > > > i believe this is a nice ideal.....but it will not > work..... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > Remember my Beloved Marc, it is always a beLIEf first, > > > > an act of faith second and experienced at long last. > > > > > > > > We do who we are. > > > > > > > > Love > > > > Ana > > > > > > this is what is your pesonal " experience " about.... > > > > > > remember that it's this your individual " concept " and > perception > > > about.......peace is concerned about absolutely Nothing > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > dear Marc, > > > > love is not personal... counsciousness is not personal > > > > ...if with personal you mean that is confined somewhere... > > > > > > > > > > Can 'one' have an impersonal experience? > > > > Phil > > > > > > Yes... the experience of " I " > > > > hugs, > > Ana > > > cristal clear Ana and Phil as far is see.....Phil wanted to explain to Ana that " experience " is always personal....and so, that the truth can't be related to " experiences " ......because the truth Is.....being... (if you would read the messages) and so....you would " see " that Phil and Ana have perfectly different kind of " views " concerning " experiences " and " truth " .... i'm wondering what is this your " cristal clear Ana and Phil " about.....?..... are you realy blinded by this your " love energy " or what is the reason " you " can't get some " clear " mind.....? Marc > > > > > > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your > subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: > > > > /mygroups?edit=1 > > > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the > Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > ADHHUB@A... > > > Nisargadatta > > > Tuesday, January 10, 2006 1:17 AM > > > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 1/9/2006 1:14:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > > " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> > > > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " > > <nli10u@c...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > dennis_travis33 > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Monday, January 09, 2006 6:50 AM > > > > > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " > > <nli10u@c...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > dennis_travis33 > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > Monday, January 09, 2006 6:15 AM > > > > > > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " > > > > <nli10u@c...> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " To give up the task of reforming society is to up > > one's > > > > > > responsibility as a free man. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " What broke in a man that he can bring himself to > > kill > > > > another? " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Who knows for what we live and struggle and > > die?...Wise > > > > men > > > > > write > > > > > > many books, in words to hard to understand. But > > this, the > > > > > purpose of > > > > > > our lives, the end of all struggle, > > > > > > > is beyond all human wisdom. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alan Paton 1/11/1903-4/12/1988 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > South African novelist and activist against > > apartheid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >....everybody is indead....free.....to live > > > > life.....however, > > > > > > whenever,wherever,.... > > > > > > > > > > > > some who don't feel to be free....fight to reach > > this...... > > > > > > > > > > > > some who feel to be free......enjoy the peace > > of....being > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and some who are free in spirit ARE the skillful > means > > to > > > > bring > > > > > > peace into the mind-body-soul-spirit of the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > we have become the wounded healer. we are the peace- > > being > > > > > bringing > > > > > > light where darkness exists. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do you want the waves to be transformed into ocean?.... > > > > > > > > > > i believe this is a nice ideal.....but it will not > > work..... > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > Remember my Beloved Marc, it is always a beLIEf first, > > > > > an act of faith second and experienced at long last. > > > > > > > > > > We do who we are. > > > > > > > > > > Love > > > > > Ana > > > > > > > > this is what is your pesonal " experience " about.... > > > > > > > > remember that it's this your individual " concept " and > > perception > > > > about.......peace is concerned about absolutely Nothing > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > dear Marc, > > > > > > love is not personal... counsciousness is not personal > > > > > > ...if with personal you mean that is confined somewhere... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can 'one' have an impersonal experience? > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > Yes... the experience of " I " > > > > > > hugs, > > > Ana > > > > > > cristal clear Ana and Phil > > > as far is see.....Phil wanted to explain to Ana that " experience " is > always personal....and so, that the truth can't be related > to " experiences " ......because the truth Is.....being... > (if you would read the messages) > > and so....you would " see " that Phil and Ana have perfectly different > kind of " views " concerning " experiences " and " truth " .... > > i'm wondering what is this your " cristal clear Ana and Phil " > about.....?..... > > are you realy blinded by this your " love energy " or what is the > reason " you " can't get some " clear " mind.....? > > Marc Marc, what i see with my blinded eyes of love is that Truth is wonderfully and clearly experiencing itself through Ana and Phil, despite different kind of views. hope you enjoy it love to you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 - bigwaaba Nisargadatta Tuesday, January 10, 2006 5:47 AM Re: Quotes from Alan Paton Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > ADHHUB@A... > > > Nisargadatta > > > Tuesday, January 10, 2006 1:17 AM > > > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 1/9/2006 1:14:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > > " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> > > > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " > > <nli10u@c...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > dennis_travis33 > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Monday, January 09, 2006 6:50 AM > > > > > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " > > <nli10u@c...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > dennis_travis33 > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > Monday, January 09, 2006 6:15 AM > > > > > > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " > > > > <nli10u@c...> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " To give up the task of reforming society is to up > > one's > > > > > > responsibility as a free man. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " What broke in a man that he can bring himself to > > kill > > > > another? " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Who knows for what we live and struggle and > > die?...Wise > > > > men > > > > > write > > > > > > many books, in words to hard to understand. But > > this, the > > > > > purpose of > > > > > > our lives, the end of all struggle, > > > > > > > is beyond all human wisdom. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alan Paton 1/11/1903-4/12/1988 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > South African novelist and activist against > > apartheid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >....everybody is indead....free.....to live > > > > life.....however, > > > > > > whenever,wherever,.... > > > > > > > > > > > > some who don't feel to be free....fight to reach > > this...... > > > > > > > > > > > > some who feel to be free......enjoy the peace > > of....being > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and some who are free in spirit ARE the skillful > means > > to > > > > bring > > > > > > peace into the mind-body-soul-spirit of the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > we have become the wounded healer. we are the peace- > > being > > > > > bringing > > > > > > light where darkness exists. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do you want the waves to be transformed into ocean?.... > > > > > > > > > > i believe this is a nice ideal.....but it will not > > work..... > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > Remember my Beloved Marc, it is always a beLIEf first, > > > > > an act of faith second and experienced at long last. > > > > > > > > > > We do who we are. > > > > > > > > > > Love > > > > > Ana > > > > > > > > this is what is your pesonal " experience " about.... > > > > > > > > remember that it's this your individual " concept " and > > perception > > > > about.......peace is concerned about absolutely Nothing > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > dear Marc, > > > > > > love is not personal... counsciousness is not personal > > > > > > ...if with personal you mean that is confined somewhere... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can 'one' have an impersonal experience? > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > Yes... the experience of " I " > > > > > > hugs, > > > Ana > > > > > > cristal clear Ana and Phil > > > as far is see.....Phil wanted to explain to Ana that " experience " is > always personal....and so, that the truth can't be related > to " experiences " ......because the truth Is.....being... > (if you would read the messages) > > and so....you would " see " that Phil and Ana have perfectly different > kind of " views " concerning " experiences " and " truth " .... > > i'm wondering what is this your " cristal clear Ana and Phil " > about.....?..... > > are you realy blinded by this your " love energy " or what is the > reason " you " can't get some " clear " mind.....? > > Marc Marc, what i see with my blinded eyes of love is that Truth is wonderfully and clearly experiencing itself through Ana and Phil, despite different kind of views. hope you enjoy it love to you ...and here we rest, here we find the end of the search, the beginning of BEING REAL. In Love, Ana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > - > bigwaaba > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, January 10, 2006 5:47 AM > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > ADHHUB@A... > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Tuesday, January 10, 2006 1:17 AM > > > > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 1/9/2006 1:14:47 PM Pacific Standard > Time, > > > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > > > > " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> > > > > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " > > > <nli10u@c...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > dennis_travis33 > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > Monday, January 09, 2006 6:50 AM > > > > > > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " > > > <nli10u@c...> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > dennis_travis33 > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > Monday, January 09, 2006 6:15 AM > > > > > > > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " > > > > > <nli10u@c...> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " To give up the task of reforming society is to > up > > > one's > > > > > > > responsibility as a free man. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " What broke in a man that he can bring himself > to > > > kill > > > > > another? " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Who knows for what we live and struggle and > > > die?...Wise > > > > > men > > > > > > write > > > > > > > many books, in words to hard to understand. But > > > this, the > > > > > > purpose of > > > > > > > our lives, the end of all struggle, > > > > > > > > is beyond all human wisdom. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alan Paton 1/11/1903-4/12/1988 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > South African novelist and activist against > > > apartheid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >....everybody is indead....free.....to live > > > > > life.....however, > > > > > > > whenever,wherever,.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some who don't feel to be free....fight to reach > > > this...... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some who feel to be free......enjoy the peace > > > of....being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and some who are free in spirit ARE the skillful > > means > > > to > > > > > bring > > > > > > > peace into the mind-body-soul-spirit of the > world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we have become the wounded healer. we are the > peace- > > > being > > > > > > bringing > > > > > > > light where darkness exists. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do you want the waves to be transformed into > ocean?.... > > > > > > > > > > > > i believe this is a nice ideal.....but it will not > > > work..... > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > Remember my Beloved Marc, it is always a beLIEf first, > > > > > > an act of faith second and experienced at long last. > > > > > > > > > > > > We do who we are. > > > > > > > > > > > > Love > > > > > > Ana > > > > > > > > > > this is what is your pesonal " experience " about.... > > > > > > > > > > remember that it's this your individual " concept " and > > > perception > > > > > about.......peace is concerned about absolutely Nothing > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > dear Marc, > > > > > > > > love is not personal... counsciousness is not personal > > > > > > > > ...if with personal you mean that is confined somewhere... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can 'one' have an impersonal experience? > > > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes... the experience of " I " > > > > > > > > hugs, > > > > Ana > > > > > > > > > cristal clear Ana and Phil > > > > > > as far is see.....Phil wanted to explain to Ana that " experience " > is > > always personal....and so, that the truth can't be related > > to " experiences " ......because the truth Is.....being... > > (if you would read the messages) > > > > and so....you would " see " that Phil and Ana have perfectly > different > > kind of " views " concerning " experiences " and " truth " .... > > > > i'm wondering what is this your " cristal clear Ana and Phil " > > about.....?..... > > > > are you realy blinded by this your " love energy " or what is the > > reason " you " can't get some " clear " mind.....? > > > > Marc > > > Marc, what i see with my blinded eyes of love is that Truth is > wonderfully and clearly experiencing itself through Ana and Phil, > despite different kind of views. hope you enjoy it > love to you > > > ...and here we rest, here we find the end of the search, the beginning of BEING REAL. > > In Love, > Ana > A rose teaching is in her fragrance her beauty and strenght one with vulnerability to your heart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 In a message dated 1/10/2006 1:52:11 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 Re: Quotes from Alan Paton Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote: > > > In a message dated 1/9/2006 4:05:01 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33> > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > dennis_travis33 > > Nisargadatta > > Monday, January 09, 2006 6:15 AM > > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " To give up the task of reforming society is to up one's > > responsibility as a free man. " > > > > > > " What broke in a man that he can bring himself to kill another? " > > > > > > " Who knows for what we live and struggle and die?...Wise men > write > > many books, in words to hard to understand. But this, the > purpose of > > our lives, the end of all struggle, > > > is beyond all human wisdom. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alan Paton 1/11/1903-4/12/1988 > > > > > > South African novelist and activist against apartheid > > > > > > > > >....everybody is indead....free.....to live life.....however, > > whenever,wherever,.... > > > > some who don't feel to be free....fight to reach this...... > > > > some who feel to be free......enjoy the peace of....being > > > > Marc > > > > > > and some who are free in spirit ARE the skillful means to bring > > peace into the mind-body-soul-spirit of the world. > > > > we have become the wounded healer. we are the peace-being > bringing > > light where darkness exists. > > > > Ana > > you only can bring peace in this your (individual) world > conception........means, discover this peace....which is > There.....since ever > > thats all > > Marc > > > > > Yes, Reality cannot be brought into illusion. It's the illusion that must > acknowledge Reality, and no one can cause this to occur. As such, it is a > movement in one direction only; from the perception that darkness exists, to the > realization that it does not. > > Phil Yes Phil.... " darkness " is often used by people who also talk about " light " ..... like it seem that they have " light " because of some " darkness " (before or around)......or opposite " .....from the perception that darkness exists, to the > realization that it does not. " yes....thats what is peace about.....peace about " darkness " and " light " .......about " birth and death " ......about " past and future " .......about.....many things Marc Yeah, peace is the realization that none of it matters. There is no how or why or any way for it to be other than what it is. It is what it is. Let it be what it is. That's peace. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 In a message dated 1/10/2006 1:52:11 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u Re: Quotes from Alan Paton - ADHHUB Nisargadatta Tuesday, January 10, 2006 1:12 AM Re: Quotes from Alan Paton In a message dated 1/9/2006 1:14:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u Re: Re: Quotes from Alan Paton ----- Original Message ----- dennis_travis33 Nisargadatta Monday, January 09, 2006 6:50 AM Re: Quotes from Alan Paton Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > - > dennis_travis33 > Nisargadatta > Monday, January 09, 2006 6:15 AM > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > " To give up the task of reforming society is to up one's > responsibility as a free man. " > > > > " What broke in a man that he can bring himself to kill another? " > > > > " Who knows for what we live and struggle and die?...Wise men write > many books, in words to hard to understand. But this, the purpose of > our lives, the end of all struggle, > > is beyond all human wisdom. " > > > > > > > > > > Alan Paton 1/11/1903-4/12/1988 > > > > South African novelist and activist against apartheid > > > > > >....everybody is indead....free.....to live life.....however, > whenever,wherever,.... > > some who don't feel to be free....fight to reach this...... > > some who feel to be free......enjoy the peace of....being > > Marc > > > and some who are free in spirit ARE the skillful means to bring > peace into the mind-body-soul-spirit of the world. > > we have become the wounded healer. we are the peace-being bringing > light where darkness exists. > > Ana do you want the waves to be transformed into ocean?.... i believe this is a nice ideal.....but it will not work..... Marc Remember my Beloved Marc, it is always a beLIEf first, an act of faith second and experienced at long last. We do who we are. Love Ana Remember my beloved Ana, belief and faith are notions that are illusory as experience. Being is all important. One will do as a natural and inevitable flow of what one is BEING. Phil Well, my dear Phil, it's just this, chock full of notions such as Being, a full blown idyllic /ideaic lystyle, including the Isness of Is, in of and as This. ;-) Ana I KNEW you were gonna say that! And all I can say in return is that IS is all That nothingness IS contained within the fullness of the void of All That Is, BEING That which IS, notwithstanding the emptiness of the fullness of I AM. Ha, take that! ~ Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 In a message dated 1/10/2006 1:52:11 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u Re: Quotes from Alan Paton - ADHHUB Nisargadatta Tuesday, January 10, 2006 1:17 AM Re: Quotes from Alan Paton In a message dated 1/9/2006 1:14:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba Re: Quotes from Alan Paton Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > dennis_travis33 > > Nisargadatta > > Monday, January 09, 2006 6:50 AM > > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > dennis_travis33 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Monday, January 09, 2006 6:15 AM > > > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " > <nli10u@c...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " To give up the task of reforming society is to up one's > > > responsibility as a free man. " > > > > > > > > " What broke in a man that he can bring himself to kill > another? " > > > > > > > > " Who knows for what we live and struggle and die?...Wise > men > > write > > > many books, in words to hard to understand. But this, the > > purpose of > > > our lives, the end of all struggle, > > > > is beyond all human wisdom. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alan Paton 1/11/1903-4/12/1988 > > > > > > > > South African novelist and activist against apartheid > > > > > > > > > > > >....everybody is indead....free.....to live > life.....however, > > > whenever,wherever,.... > > > > > > some who don't feel to be free....fight to reach this...... > > > > > > some who feel to be free......enjoy the peace of....being > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > and some who are free in spirit ARE the skillful means to > bring > > > peace into the mind-body-soul-spirit of the world. > > > > > > we have become the wounded healer. we are the peace-being > > bringing > > > light where darkness exists. > > > > > > Ana > > > > > > do you want the waves to be transformed into ocean?.... > > > > i believe this is a nice ideal.....but it will not work..... > > > > Marc > > > > Remember my Beloved Marc, it is always a beLIEf first, > > an act of faith second and experienced at long last. > > > > We do who we are. > > > > Love > > Ana > > this is what is your pesonal " experience " about.... > > remember that it's this your individual " concept " and perception > about.......peace is concerned about absolutely Nothing > > Marc dear Marc, love is not personal... counsciousness is not personal ....if with personal you mean that is confined somewhere... Can 'one' have an impersonal experience? Phil Yes... the experience of " I " hugs, Ana The reason you are here, dear Ana, is that the " I " cannot see the " I " ; the eye cannot see the eye; the radically subjective cannot objectify itself. Even Silver's daughter knows this to be so. There is no experience but through the tint of your human spectacles. What happens when you and your spectacles have turned to dust? Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 In a message dated 1/10/2006 1:52:11 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u Re: Quotes from Alan Paton - ADHHUB Nisargadatta Tuesday, January 10, 2006 2:41 AM Re: Quotes from Alan Paton In a message dated 1/9/2006 1:14:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u Re: Re: Quotes from Alan Paton ----- Original Message ----- dennis_travis33 Nisargadatta Monday, January 09, 2006 8:07 AM Re: Quotes from Alan Paton Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > - > dennis_travis33 > Nisargadatta > Monday, January 09, 2006 6:50 AM > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dennis_travis33 > > Nisargadatta > > Monday, January 09, 2006 6:15 AM > > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " To give up the task of reforming society is to up one's > > responsibility as a free man. " > > > > > > " What broke in a man that he can bring himself to kill another? " > > > > > > " Who knows for what we live and struggle and die?...Wise men > write > > many books, in words to hard to understand. But this, the > purpose of > > our lives, the end of all struggle, > > > is beyond all human wisdom. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alan Paton 1/11/1903-4/12/1988 > > > > > > South African novelist and activist against apartheid > > > > > > > > >....everybody is indead....free.....to live life.....however, > > whenever,wherever,.... > > > > some who don't feel to be free....fight to reach this...... > > > > some who feel to be free......enjoy the peace of....being > > > > Marc > > > > > > and some who are free in spirit ARE the skillful means to bring > > peace into the mind-body-soul-spirit of the world. > > > > we have become the wounded healer. we are the peace-being > bringing > > light where darkness exists. > > > > Ana > > > do you want the waves to be transformed into ocean?.... > > i believe this is a nice ideal.....but it will not work..... > > Marc > > Remember my Beloved Marc, it is always a beLIEf first, > an act of faith second and experienced at long last. > > We do who we are. > > Love > Ana this is what is your pesonal " experience " about.... remember that it's this your individual " concept " and perception about.......peace is concerned about absolutely Nothing Marc peace is the absolute nothing seeking entrance into the relative everything... A doorway to THIS IS. IMHO Ana What, pray tell, is the meaning of Absolute nothing entering an illusion?...... How's about this: Absolute peace IS reality. No Absolute anything can enter relativity or it would become relative. Illusion realizes itself to be Truth. Truth never realizes itself to be ill usion......IMHO. Phil " you " are the illusion of truth. ;-) Ana And therefore...........what? Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote: > > > In a message dated 1/10/2006 1:52:11 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33> > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 1/9/2006 4:05:01 AM Pacific Standard Time, > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33> > > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton > > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > dennis_travis33 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Monday, January 09, 2006 6:15 AM > > > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " > <nli10u@c...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " To give up the task of reforming society is to up one's > > > responsibility as a free man. " > > > > > > > > " What broke in a man that he can bring himself to kill > another? " > > > > > > > > " Who knows for what we live and struggle and die?...Wise men > > write > > > many books, in words to hard to understand. But this, the > > purpose of > > > our lives, the end of all struggle, > > > > is beyond all human wisdom. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alan Paton 1/11/1903-4/12/1988 > > > > > > > > South African novelist and activist against apartheid > > > > > > > > > > > >....everybody is indead....free.....to live life.....however, > > > whenever,wherever,.... > > > > > > some who don't feel to be free....fight to reach this...... > > > > > > some who feel to be free......enjoy the peace of....being > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > and some who are free in spirit ARE the skillful means to > bring > > > peace into the mind-body-soul-spirit of the world. > > > > > > we have become the wounded healer. we are the peace-being > > bringing > > > light where darkness exists. > > > > > > Ana > > > > you only can bring peace in this your (individual) world > > conception........means, discover this peace....which is > > There.....since ever > > > > thats all > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > Yes, Reality cannot be brought into illusion. It's the illusion > that must > > acknowledge Reality, and no one can cause this to occur. As such, > it is a > > movement in one direction only; from the perception that darkness > exists, to the > > realization that it does not. > > > > Phil > > Yes Phil.... > > " darkness " is often used by people who also talk about " light " ..... > like it seem that they have " light " because of some " darkness " > (before or around)......or opposite > > " .....from the perception that darkness exists, to the > > realization that it does not. " > > yes....thats what is peace about.....peace about " darkness " > and " light " .......about " birth and death " ......about " past and > future " .......about.....many things > > Marc > > > > > Yeah, peace is the realization that none of it matters. There is no how or > why or any way for it to be other than what it is. It is what it is. Let it be > what it is. That's peace. > > Phil yes.....inner peace is the result of.... " to let " the Self reflect....what it Is...... and to know about the real nature of this reflections...... Marc > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 - ADHHUB Nisargadatta Wednesday, January 11, 2006 3:27 AM Re: Quotes from Alan Paton In a message dated 1/10/2006 1:52:11 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 Re: Quotes from Alan Paton Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote: > > > In a message dated 1/9/2006 4:05:01 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33> > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > dennis_travis33 > > Nisargadatta > > Monday, January 09, 2006 6:15 AM > > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " To give up the task of reforming society is to up one's > > responsibility as a free man. " > > > > > > " What broke in a man that he can bring himself to kill another? " > > > > > > " Who knows for what we live and struggle and die?...Wise men > write > > many books, in words to hard to understand. But this, the > purpose of > > our lives, the end of all struggle, > > > is beyond all human wisdom. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alan Paton 1/11/1903-4/12/1988 > > > > > > South African novelist and activist against apartheid > > > > > > > > >....everybody is indead....free.....to live life.....however, > > whenever,wherever,.... > > > > some who don't feel to be free....fight to reach this...... > > > > some who feel to be free......enjoy the peace of....being > > > > Marc > > > > > > and some who are free in spirit ARE the skillful means to bring > > peace into the mind-body-soul-spirit of the world. > > > > we have become the wounded healer. we are the peace-being > bringing > > light where darkness exists. > > > > Ana > > you only can bring peace in this your (individual) world > conception........means, discover this peace....which is > There.....since ever > > thats all > > Marc > > > > > Yes, Reality cannot be brought into illusion. It's the illusion that must > acknowledge Reality, and no one can cause this to occur. As such, it is a > movement in one direction only; from the perception that darkness exists, to the > realization that it does not. > > Phil Yes Phil.... " darkness " is often used by people who also talk about " light " ..... like it seem that they have " light " because of some " darkness " (before or around)......or opposite " .....from the perception that darkness exists, to the > realization that it does not. " yes....thats what is peace about.....peace about " darkness " and " light " .......about " birth and death " ......about " past and future " .......about.....many things Marc Yeah, peace is the realization that none of it matters. There is no how or why or any way for it to be other than what it is. It is what it is. Let it be what it is. That's peace. Phil We have to make peace with who we are, what it is as it is This. Who knew that peace is absent absence? We also must Be the peace to bring about a greater peace for all humanity. We are vast, we are nothing if we do not account for Who we are. We can live in quite harmony and we can effect a worldly change. Ana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 - ADHHUB Nisargadatta Wednesday, January 11, 2006 3:43 AM Re: Quotes from Alan Paton In a message dated 1/10/2006 1:52:11 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u Re: Quotes from Alan Paton - ADHHUB Nisargadatta Tuesday, January 10, 2006 1:17 AM Re: Quotes from Alan Paton In a message dated 1/9/2006 1:14:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba Re: Quotes from Alan Paton Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > dennis_travis33 > > Nisargadatta > > Monday, January 09, 2006 6:50 AM > > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > dennis_travis33 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Monday, January 09, 2006 6:15 AM > > > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " > <nli10u@c...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " To give up the task of reforming society is to up one's > > > responsibility as a free man. " > > > > > > > > " What broke in a man that he can bring himself to kill > another? " > > > > > > > > " Who knows for what we live and struggle and die?...Wise > men > > write > > > many books, in words to hard to understand. But this, the > > purpose of > > > our lives, the end of all struggle, > > > > is beyond all human wisdom. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alan Paton 1/11/1903-4/12/1988 > > > > > > > > South African novelist and activist against apartheid > > > > > > > > > > > >....everybody is indead....free.....to live > life.....however, > > > whenever,wherever,.... > > > > > > some who don't feel to be free....fight to reach this...... > > > > > > some who feel to be free......enjoy the peace of....being > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > and some who are free in spirit ARE the skillful means to > bring > > > peace into the mind-body-soul-spirit of the world. > > > > > > we have become the wounded healer. we are the peace-being > > bringing > > > light where darkness exists. > > > > > > Ana > > > > > > do you want the waves to be transformed into ocean?.... > > > > i believe this is a nice ideal.....but it will not work..... > > > > Marc > > > > Remember my Beloved Marc, it is always a beLIEf first, > > an act of faith second and experienced at long last. > > > > We do who we are. > > > > Love > > Ana > > this is what is your pesonal " experience " about.... > > remember that it's this your individual " concept " and perception > about.......peace is concerned about absolutely Nothing > > Marc dear Marc, love is not personal... counsciousness is not personal ...if with personal you mean that is confined somewhere... Can 'one' have an impersonal experience? Phil Yes... the experience of " I " hugs, Ana The reason you are here, dear Ana, is that the " I " cannot see the " I " ; the eye cannot see the eye; the radically subjective cannot objectify itself. Even Silver's daughter knows this to be so. There is no experience but through the tint of your human spectacles. What happens when you and your spectacles have turned to dust? Phil ah, by crickey my dear Phil, indeed....indeed... who knows? Ana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 - ADHHUB Nisargadatta Wednesday, January 11, 2006 3:48 AM Re: Quotes from Alan Paton In a message dated 1/10/2006 1:52:11 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u Re: Quotes from Alan Paton - ADHHUB Nisargadatta Tuesday, January 10, 2006 2:41 AM Re: Quotes from Alan Paton In a message dated 1/9/2006 1:14:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u Re: Re: Quotes from Alan Paton ----- Original Message ----- dennis_travis33 Nisargadatta Monday, January 09, 2006 8:07 AM Re: Quotes from Alan Paton Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > - > dennis_travis33 > Nisargadatta > Monday, January 09, 2006 6:50 AM > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dennis_travis33 > > Nisargadatta > > Monday, January 09, 2006 6:15 AM > > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " To give up the task of reforming society is to up one's > > responsibility as a free man. " > > > > > > " What broke in a man that he can bring himself to kill another? " > > > > > > " Who knows for what we live and struggle and die?...Wise men > write > > many books, in words to hard to understand. But this, the > purpose of > > our lives, the end of all struggle, > > > is beyond all human wisdom. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alan Paton 1/11/1903-4/12/1988 > > > > > > South African novelist and activist against apartheid > > > > > > > > >....everybody is indead....free.....to live life.....however, > > whenever,wherever,.... > > > > some who don't feel to be free....fight to reach this...... > > > > some who feel to be free......enjoy the peace of....being > > > > Marc > > > > > > and some who are free in spirit ARE the skillful means to bring > > peace into the mind-body-soul-spirit of the world. > > > > we have become the wounded healer. we are the peace-being > bringing > > light where darkness exists. > > > > Ana > > > do you want the waves to be transformed into ocean?.... > > i believe this is a nice ideal.....but it will not work..... > > Marc > > Remember my Beloved Marc, it is always a beLIEf first, > an act of faith second and experienced at long last. > > We do who we are. > > Love > Ana this is what is your pesonal " experience " about.... remember that it's this your individual " concept " and perception about.......peace is concerned about absolutely Nothing Marc peace is the absolute nothing seeking entrance into the relative everything... A doorway to THIS IS. IMHO Ana What, pray tell, is the meaning of Absolute nothing entering an illusion?...... How's about this: Absolute peace IS reality. No Absolute anything can enter relativity or it would become relative. Illusion realizes itself to be Truth. Truth never realizes itself to be ill usion......IMHO. Phil " you " are the illusion of truth. ;-) Ana And therefore...........what? Phil and therefore truth itself, Being whatever you would make of it/you. In your own image, of course... Ana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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