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" To give up the task of reforming society is to up one's responsibility as a

free man. "

 

" What broke in a man that he can bring himself to kill another? "

 

" Who knows for what we live and struggle and die?...Wise men write many books,

in words to hard to understand. But this, the purpose of our lives, the end of

all struggle,

is beyond all human wisdom. "

 

 

 

 

Alan Paton 1/11/1903-4/12/1988

 

South African novelist and activist against apartheid

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote:

>

>

>

>

>

> " To give up the task of reforming society is to up one's

responsibility as a free man. "

>

> " What broke in a man that he can bring himself to kill another? "

>

> " Who knows for what we live and struggle and die?...Wise men write

many books, in words to hard to understand. But this, the purpose of

our lives, the end of all struggle,

> is beyond all human wisdom. "

>

>

>

>

> Alan Paton 1/11/1903-4/12/1988

>

> South African novelist and activist against apartheid

>

>

>....everybody is indead....free.....to live life.....however,

whenever,wherever,....

 

some who don't feel to be free....fight to reach this......

 

some who feel to be free......enjoy the peace of....being

 

Marc

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In a message dated 1/9/2006 4:05:01 AM Pacific Standard Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

" dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33

Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

 

Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote:

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> dennis_travis33

> Nisargadatta

> Monday, January 09, 2006 6:15 AM

> Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...>

wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > " To give up the task of reforming society is to up one's

> responsibility as a free man. "

> >

> > " What broke in a man that he can bring himself to kill another? "

> >

> > " Who knows for what we live and struggle and die?...Wise men

write

> many books, in words to hard to understand. But this, the

purpose of

> our lives, the end of all struggle,

> > is beyond all human wisdom. "

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Alan Paton 1/11/1903-4/12/1988

> >

> > South African novelist and activist against apartheid

> >

> >

> >....everybody is indead....free.....to live life.....however,

> whenever,wherever,....

>

> some who don't feel to be free....fight to reach this......

>

> some who feel to be free......enjoy the peace of....being

>

> Marc

>

>

> and some who are free in spirit ARE the skillful means to bring

> peace into the mind-body-soul-spirit of the world.

>

> we have become the wounded healer. we are the peace-being

bringing

> light where darkness exists.

>

> Ana

 

you only can bring peace in this your (individual) world

conception........means, discover this peace....which is

There.....since ever

 

thats all

 

Marc

 

 

 

 

Yes, Reality cannot be brought into illusion. It's the illusion that must

acknowledge Reality, and no one can cause this to occur. As such, it is a

movement in one direction only; from the perception that darkness exists, to the

realization that it does not.

 

Phil

 

 

 

 

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In a message dated 1/9/2006 1:14:47 PM Pacific Standard Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

" Anna Ruiz " <nli10u

Re: Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

 

 

-

dennis_travis33

Nisargadatta

Monday, January 09, 2006 6:50 AM

Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

 

 

Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote:

>

>

> -

> dennis_travis33

> Nisargadatta

> Monday, January 09, 2006 6:15 AM

> Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

>

>

> --- In Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...>

wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > " To give up the task of reforming society is to up one's

> responsibility as a free man. "

> >

> > " What broke in a man that he can bring himself to kill another? "

> >

> > " Who knows for what we live and struggle and die?...Wise men

write

> many books, in words to hard to understand. But this, the

purpose of

> our lives, the end of all struggle,

> > is beyond all human wisdom. "

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Alan Paton 1/11/1903-4/12/1988

> >

> > South African novelist and activist against apartheid

> >

> >

> >....everybody is indead....free.....to live life.....however,

> whenever,wherever,....

>

> some who don't feel to be free....fight to reach this......

>

> some who feel to be free......enjoy the peace of....being

>

> Marc

>

>

> and some who are free in spirit ARE the skillful means to bring

> peace into the mind-body-soul-spirit of the world.

>

> we have become the wounded healer. we are the peace-being

bringing

> light where darkness exists.

>

> Ana

 

 

do you want the waves to be transformed into ocean?....

 

i believe this is a nice ideal.....but it will not work.....

 

Marc

 

Remember my Beloved Marc, it is always a beLIEf first,

an act of faith second and experienced at long last.

 

We do who we are.

 

Love

Ana

 

 

 

Remember my beloved Ana, belief and faith are notions that are illusory as

experience. Being is all important. One will do as a natural and inevitable

flow of what one is BEING.

 

Phil

 

 

 

 

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In a message dated 1/9/2006 1:14:47 PM Pacific Standard Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

" bigwaaba " <bigwaaba

Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

 

Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...>

wrote:

> >

> >

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > dennis_travis33

> > Nisargadatta

> > Monday, January 09, 2006 6:50 AM

> > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...>

> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > ----- Original Message -----

> > > dennis_travis33

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Monday, January 09, 2006 6:15 AM

> > > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

> > >

> > >

> > > --- In Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz "

> <nli10u@c...>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > " To give up the task of reforming society is to up one's

> > > responsibility as a free man. "

> > > >

> > > > " What broke in a man that he can bring himself to kill

> another? "

> > > >

> > > > " Who knows for what we live and struggle and die?...Wise

> men

> > write

> > > many books, in words to hard to understand. But this, the

> > purpose of

> > > our lives, the end of all struggle,

> > > > is beyond all human wisdom. "

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Alan Paton 1/11/1903-4/12/1988

> > > >

> > > > South African novelist and activist against apartheid

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >....everybody is indead....free.....to live

> life.....however,

> > > whenever,wherever,....

> > >

> > > some who don't feel to be free....fight to reach this......

> > >

> > > some who feel to be free......enjoy the peace of....being

> > >

> > > Marc

> > >

> > >

> > > and some who are free in spirit ARE the skillful means to

> bring

> > > peace into the mind-body-soul-spirit of the world.

> > >

> > > we have become the wounded healer. we are the peace-being

> > bringing

> > > light where darkness exists.

> > >

> > > Ana

> >

> >

> > do you want the waves to be transformed into ocean?....

> >

> > i believe this is a nice ideal.....but it will not work.....

> >

> > Marc

> >

> > Remember my Beloved Marc, it is always a beLIEf first,

> > an act of faith second and experienced at long last.

> >

> > We do who we are.

> >

> > Love

> > Ana

>

> this is what is your pesonal " experience " about....

>

> remember that it's this your individual " concept " and perception

> about.......peace is concerned about absolutely Nothing

>

> Marc

 

 

dear Marc,

 

love is not personal... counsciousness is not personal

 

....if with personal you mean that is confined somewhere...

 

 

 

 

Can 'one' have an impersonal experience?

 

Phil

 

 

 

 

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In a message dated 1/9/2006 1:14:47 PM Pacific Standard Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

" Anna Ruiz " <nli10u

Re: Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

 

 

-

dennis_travis33

Nisargadatta

Monday, January 09, 2006 8:07 AM

Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

 

 

Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote:

>

>

> -

> dennis_travis33

> Nisargadatta

> Monday, January 09, 2006 6:50 AM

> Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

>

>

> --- In Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...>

wrote:

> >

> >

> > -

> > dennis_travis33

> > Nisargadatta

> > Monday, January 09, 2006 6:15 AM

> > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz "

<nli10u@c...>

> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > " To give up the task of reforming society is to up one's

> > responsibility as a free man. "

> > >

> > > " What broke in a man that he can bring himself to kill

another? "

> > >

> > > " Who knows for what we live and struggle and die?...Wise

men

> write

> > many books, in words to hard to understand. But this, the

> purpose of

> > our lives, the end of all struggle,

> > > is beyond all human wisdom. "

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Alan Paton 1/11/1903-4/12/1988

> > >

> > > South African novelist and activist against apartheid

> > >

> > >

> > >....everybody is indead....free.....to live

life.....however,

> > whenever,wherever,....

> >

> > some who don't feel to be free....fight to reach this......

> >

> > some who feel to be free......enjoy the peace of....being

> >

> > Marc

> >

> >

> > and some who are free in spirit ARE the skillful means to

bring

> > peace into the mind-body-soul-spirit of the world.

> >

> > we have become the wounded healer. we are the peace-being

> bringing

> > light where darkness exists.

> >

> > Ana

>

>

> do you want the waves to be transformed into ocean?....

>

> i believe this is a nice ideal.....but it will not work.....

>

> Marc

>

> Remember my Beloved Marc, it is always a beLIEf first,

> an act of faith second and experienced at long last.

>

> We do who we are.

>

> Love

> Ana

 

this is what is your pesonal " experience " about....

 

remember that it's this your individual " concept " and perception

about.......peace is concerned about absolutely Nothing

 

Marc

 

peace is the absolute nothing seeking entrance into the relative

everything...

 

A doorway to THIS IS.

 

IMHO

 

Ana

 

 

 

 

What, pray tell, is the meaning of Absolute nothing entering an

illusion?......

How's about this: Absolute peace IS reality. No Absolute anything can enter

relativity or it would become relative.

 

Illusion realizes itself to be Truth. Truth never realizes itself to be ill

usion......IMHO.

 

Phil

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 1/9/2006 4:05:01 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> Nisargadatta writes:

>

> " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33>

> Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

>

> Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...>

wrote:

> >

> >

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > dennis_travis33

> > Nisargadatta

> > Monday, January 09, 2006 6:15 AM

> > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz "

<nli10u@c...>

> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > " To give up the task of reforming society is to up one's

> > responsibility as a free man. "

> > >

> > > " What broke in a man that he can bring himself to kill

another? "

> > >

> > > " Who knows for what we live and struggle and die?...Wise men

> write

> > many books, in words to hard to understand. But this, the

> purpose of

> > our lives, the end of all struggle,

> > > is beyond all human wisdom. "

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Alan Paton 1/11/1903-4/12/1988

> > >

> > > South African novelist and activist against apartheid

> > >

> > >

> > >....everybody is indead....free.....to live life.....however,

> > whenever,wherever,....

> >

> > some who don't feel to be free....fight to reach this......

> >

> > some who feel to be free......enjoy the peace of....being

> >

> > Marc

> >

> >

> > and some who are free in spirit ARE the skillful means to

bring

> > peace into the mind-body-soul-spirit of the world.

> >

> > we have become the wounded healer. we are the peace-being

> bringing

> > light where darkness exists.

> >

> > Ana

>

> you only can bring peace in this your (individual) world

> conception........means, discover this peace....which is

> There.....since ever

>

> thats all

>

> Marc

>

>

>

>

> Yes, Reality cannot be brought into illusion. It's the illusion

that must

> acknowledge Reality, and no one can cause this to occur. As such,

it is a

> movement in one direction only; from the perception that darkness

exists, to the

> realization that it does not.

>

> Phil

 

Yes Phil....

 

" darkness " is often used by people who also talk about " light " .....

like it seem that they have " light " because of some " darkness "

(before or around)......or opposite

 

" .....from the perception that darkness exists, to the

> realization that it does not. "

 

yes....thats what is peace about.....peace about " darkness "

and " light " .......about " birth and death " ......about " past and

future " .......about.....many things

 

Marc

 

>

>

>

>

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Nisargadatta

Tuesday, January 10, 2006 1:12 AM

Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

 

 

 

In a message dated 1/9/2006 1:14:47 PM Pacific Standard Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

" Anna Ruiz " <nli10u

Re: Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

 

 

-

dennis_travis33

Nisargadatta

Monday, January 09, 2006 6:50 AM

Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

 

 

Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote:

>

>

> -

> dennis_travis33

> Nisargadatta

> Monday, January 09, 2006 6:15 AM

> Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

>

>

> --- In Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...>

wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > " To give up the task of reforming society is to up one's

> responsibility as a free man. "

> >

> > " What broke in a man that he can bring himself to kill another? "

> >

> > " Who knows for what we live and struggle and die?...Wise men

write

> many books, in words to hard to understand. But this, the

purpose of

> our lives, the end of all struggle,

> > is beyond all human wisdom. "

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Alan Paton 1/11/1903-4/12/1988

> >

> > South African novelist and activist against apartheid

> >

> >

> >....everybody is indead....free.....to live life.....however,

> whenever,wherever,....

>

> some who don't feel to be free....fight to reach this......

>

> some who feel to be free......enjoy the peace of....being

>

> Marc

>

>

> and some who are free in spirit ARE the skillful means to bring

> peace into the mind-body-soul-spirit of the world.

>

> we have become the wounded healer. we are the peace-being

bringing

> light where darkness exists.

>

> Ana

 

 

do you want the waves to be transformed into ocean?....

 

i believe this is a nice ideal.....but it will not work.....

 

Marc

 

Remember my Beloved Marc, it is always a beLIEf first,

an act of faith second and experienced at long last.

 

We do who we are.

 

Love

Ana

 

 

 

Remember my beloved Ana, belief and faith are notions that are illusory as

experience. Being is all important. One will do as a natural and inevitable

flow of what one is BEING.

 

Phil

 

Well, my dear Phil, it's just this, chock full of notions such as Being, a

full blown

idyllic /ideaic lystyle, including the Isness of Is, in of and as

This. ;-)

Ana

 

 

 

 

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Tuesday, January 10, 2006 1:17 AM

Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

 

 

 

In a message dated 1/9/2006 1:14:47 PM Pacific Standard Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

" bigwaaba " <bigwaaba

Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

 

Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...>

wrote:

> >

> >

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > dennis_travis33

> > Nisargadatta

> > Monday, January 09, 2006 6:50 AM

> > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...>

> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > ----- Original Message -----

> > > dennis_travis33

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Monday, January 09, 2006 6:15 AM

> > > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

> > >

> > >

> > > --- In Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz "

> <nli10u@c...>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > " To give up the task of reforming society is to up one's

> > > responsibility as a free man. "

> > > >

> > > > " What broke in a man that he can bring himself to kill

> another? "

> > > >

> > > > " Who knows for what we live and struggle and die?...Wise

> men

> > write

> > > many books, in words to hard to understand. But this, the

> > purpose of

> > > our lives, the end of all struggle,

> > > > is beyond all human wisdom. "

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Alan Paton 1/11/1903-4/12/1988

> > > >

> > > > South African novelist and activist against apartheid

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >....everybody is indead....free.....to live

> life.....however,

> > > whenever,wherever,....

> > >

> > > some who don't feel to be free....fight to reach this......

> > >

> > > some who feel to be free......enjoy the peace of....being

> > >

> > > Marc

> > >

> > >

> > > and some who are free in spirit ARE the skillful means to

> bring

> > > peace into the mind-body-soul-spirit of the world.

> > >

> > > we have become the wounded healer. we are the peace-being

> > bringing

> > > light where darkness exists.

> > >

> > > Ana

> >

> >

> > do you want the waves to be transformed into ocean?....

> >

> > i believe this is a nice ideal.....but it will not work.....

> >

> > Marc

> >

> > Remember my Beloved Marc, it is always a beLIEf first,

> > an act of faith second and experienced at long last.

> >

> > We do who we are.

> >

> > Love

> > Ana

>

> this is what is your pesonal " experience " about....

>

> remember that it's this your individual " concept " and perception

> about.......peace is concerned about absolutely Nothing

>

> Marc

 

 

dear Marc,

 

love is not personal... counsciousness is not personal

 

...if with personal you mean that is confined somewhere...

 

 

 

 

Can 'one' have an impersonal experience?

 

Phil

 

 

Yes... the experience of " I "

 

hugs,

Ana

 

 

 

 

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Tuesday, January 10, 2006 2:41 AM

Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

 

 

 

In a message dated 1/9/2006 1:14:47 PM Pacific Standard Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

" Anna Ruiz " <nli10u

Re: Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

 

 

-

dennis_travis33

Nisargadatta

Monday, January 09, 2006 8:07 AM

Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

 

 

Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote:

>

>

> -

> dennis_travis33

> Nisargadatta

> Monday, January 09, 2006 6:50 AM

> Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

>

>

> --- In Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...>

wrote:

> >

> >

> > -

> > dennis_travis33

> > Nisargadatta

> > Monday, January 09, 2006 6:15 AM

> > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz "

<nli10u@c...>

> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > " To give up the task of reforming society is to up one's

> > responsibility as a free man. "

> > >

> > > " What broke in a man that he can bring himself to kill

another? "

> > >

> > > " Who knows for what we live and struggle and die?...Wise

men

> write

> > many books, in words to hard to understand. But this, the

> purpose of

> > our lives, the end of all struggle,

> > > is beyond all human wisdom. "

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Alan Paton 1/11/1903-4/12/1988

> > >

> > > South African novelist and activist against apartheid

> > >

> > >

> > >....everybody is indead....free.....to live

life.....however,

> > whenever,wherever,....

> >

> > some who don't feel to be free....fight to reach this......

> >

> > some who feel to be free......enjoy the peace of....being

> >

> > Marc

> >

> >

> > and some who are free in spirit ARE the skillful means to

bring

> > peace into the mind-body-soul-spirit of the world.

> >

> > we have become the wounded healer. we are the peace-being

> bringing

> > light where darkness exists.

> >

> > Ana

>

>

> do you want the waves to be transformed into ocean?....

>

> i believe this is a nice ideal.....but it will not work.....

>

> Marc

>

> Remember my Beloved Marc, it is always a beLIEf first,

> an act of faith second and experienced at long last.

>

> We do who we are.

>

> Love

> Ana

 

this is what is your pesonal " experience " about....

 

remember that it's this your individual " concept " and perception

about.......peace is concerned about absolutely Nothing

 

Marc

 

peace is the absolute nothing seeking entrance into the relative

everything...

 

A doorway to THIS IS.

 

IMHO

 

Ana

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What, pray tell, is the meaning of Absolute nothing entering an

illusion?......

How's about this: Absolute peace IS reality. No Absolute anything can enter

relativity or it would become relative.

 

Illusion realizes itself to be Truth. Truth never realizes itself to be ill

usion......IMHO.

 

Phil

 

" you " are the illusion of truth. ;-)

Ana

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote:

>

>

> -

> ADHHUB@A...

> Nisargadatta

> Tuesday, January 10, 2006 1:17 AM

> Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

>

>

>

> In a message dated 1/9/2006 1:14:47 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> Nisargadatta writes:

>

> " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba>

> Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz "

<nli10u@c...>

> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > ----- Original Message -----

> > > dennis_travis33

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Monday, January 09, 2006 6:50 AM

> > > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

> > >

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz "

<nli10u@c...>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ----- Original Message -----

> > > > dennis_travis33

> > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > Monday, January 09, 2006 6:15 AM

> > > > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz "

> > <nli10u@c...>

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > " To give up the task of reforming society is to up

one's

> > > > responsibility as a free man. "

> > > > >

> > > > > " What broke in a man that he can bring himself to

kill

> > another? "

> > > > >

> > > > > " Who knows for what we live and struggle and

die?...Wise

> > men

> > > write

> > > > many books, in words to hard to understand. But

this, the

> > > purpose of

> > > > our lives, the end of all struggle,

> > > > > is beyond all human wisdom. "

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Alan Paton 1/11/1903-4/12/1988

> > > > >

> > > > > South African novelist and activist against

apartheid

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >....everybody is indead....free.....to live

> > life.....however,

> > > > whenever,wherever,....

> > > >

> > > > some who don't feel to be free....fight to reach

this......

> > > >

> > > > some who feel to be free......enjoy the peace

of....being

> > > >

> > > > Marc

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > and some who are free in spirit ARE the skillful means

to

> > bring

> > > > peace into the mind-body-soul-spirit of the world.

> > > >

> > > > we have become the wounded healer. we are the peace-

being

> > > bringing

> > > > light where darkness exists.

> > > >

> > > > Ana

> > >

> > >

> > > do you want the waves to be transformed into ocean?....

> > >

> > > i believe this is a nice ideal.....but it will not

work.....

> > >

> > > Marc

> > >

> > > Remember my Beloved Marc, it is always a beLIEf first,

> > > an act of faith second and experienced at long last.

> > >

> > > We do who we are.

> > >

> > > Love

> > > Ana

> >

> > this is what is your pesonal " experience " about....

> >

> > remember that it's this your individual " concept " and

perception

> > about.......peace is concerned about absolutely Nothing

> >

> > Marc

>

>

> dear Marc,

>

> love is not personal... counsciousness is not personal

>

> ...if with personal you mean that is confined somewhere...

>

>

>

>

> Can 'one' have an impersonal experience?

>

> Phil

>

>

> Yes... the experience of " I "

>

> hugs,

> Ana

 

 

cristal clear Ana and Phil

 

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Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...>

wrote:

> >

> >

> > -

> > ADHHUB@A...

> > Nisargadatta

> > Tuesday, January 10, 2006 1:17 AM

> > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

> >

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 1/9/2006 1:14:47 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> > Nisargadatta writes:

> >

> > " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba>

> > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > <dennis_travis33> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz "

> <nli10u@c...>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ----- Original Message -----

> > > > dennis_travis33

> > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > Monday, January 09, 2006 6:50 AM

> > > > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz "

> <nli10u@c...>

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ----- Original Message -----

> > > > > dennis_travis33

> > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > Monday, January 09, 2006 6:15 AM

> > > > > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz "

> > > <nli10u@c...>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " To give up the task of reforming society is to up

> one's

> > > > > responsibility as a free man. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " What broke in a man that he can bring himself to

> kill

> > > another? "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Who knows for what we live and struggle and

> die?...Wise

> > > men

> > > > write

> > > > > many books, in words to hard to understand. But

> this, the

> > > > purpose of

> > > > > our lives, the end of all struggle,

> > > > > > is beyond all human wisdom. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Alan Paton 1/11/1903-4/12/1988

> > > > > >

> > > > > > South African novelist and activist against

> apartheid

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >....everybody is indead....free.....to live

> > > life.....however,

> > > > > whenever,wherever,....

> > > > >

> > > > > some who don't feel to be free....fight to reach

> this......

> > > > >

> > > > > some who feel to be free......enjoy the peace

> of....being

> > > > >

> > > > > Marc

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > and some who are free in spirit ARE the skillful

means

> to

> > > bring

> > > > > peace into the mind-body-soul-spirit of the world.

> > > > >

> > > > > we have become the wounded healer. we are the peace-

> being

> > > > bringing

> > > > > light where darkness exists.

> > > > >

> > > > > Ana

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > do you want the waves to be transformed into ocean?....

> > > >

> > > > i believe this is a nice ideal.....but it will not

> work.....

> > > >

> > > > Marc

> > > >

> > > > Remember my Beloved Marc, it is always a beLIEf first,

> > > > an act of faith second and experienced at long last.

> > > >

> > > > We do who we are.

> > > >

> > > > Love

> > > > Ana

> > >

> > > this is what is your pesonal " experience " about....

> > >

> > > remember that it's this your individual " concept " and

> perception

> > > about.......peace is concerned about absolutely Nothing

> > >

> > > Marc

> >

> >

> > dear Marc,

> >

> > love is not personal... counsciousness is not personal

> >

> > ...if with personal you mean that is confined somewhere...

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Can 'one' have an impersonal experience?

> >

> > Phil

> >

> >

> > Yes... the experience of " I "

> >

> > hugs,

> > Ana

>

>

> cristal clear Ana and Phil

 

 

as far is see.....Phil wanted to explain to Ana that " experience " is

always personal....and so, that the truth can't be related

to " experiences " ......because the truth Is.....being...

(if you would read the messages)

 

and so....you would " see " that Phil and Ana have perfectly different

kind of " views " concerning " experiences " and " truth " ....

 

i'm wondering what is this your " cristal clear Ana and Phil "

about.....?.....

 

are you realy blinded by this your " love energy " or what is the

reason " you " can't get some " clear " mind.....?

 

Marc

> >

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> >

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba>

wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...>

> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > ADHHUB@A...

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Tuesday, January 10, 2006 1:17 AM

> > > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > In a message dated 1/9/2006 1:14:47 PM Pacific Standard

Time,

> > > Nisargadatta writes:

> > >

> > > " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba>

> > > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > <dennis_travis33> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz "

> > <nli10u@c...>

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ----- Original Message -----

> > > > > dennis_travis33

> > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > Monday, January 09, 2006 6:50 AM

> > > > > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz "

> > <nli10u@c...>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----

> > > > > > dennis_travis33

> > > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > > Monday, January 09, 2006 6:15 AM

> > > > > > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz "

> > > > <nli10u@c...>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " To give up the task of reforming society is to

up

> > one's

> > > > > > responsibility as a free man. "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " What broke in a man that he can bring himself

to

> > kill

> > > > another? "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " Who knows for what we live and struggle and

> > die?...Wise

> > > > men

> > > > > write

> > > > > > many books, in words to hard to understand. But

> > this, the

> > > > > purpose of

> > > > > > our lives, the end of all struggle,

> > > > > > > is beyond all human wisdom. "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Alan Paton 1/11/1903-4/12/1988

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > South African novelist and activist against

> > apartheid

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >....everybody is indead....free.....to live

> > > > life.....however,

> > > > > > whenever,wherever,....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > some who don't feel to be free....fight to reach

> > this......

> > > > > >

> > > > > > some who feel to be free......enjoy the peace

> > of....being

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Marc

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > and some who are free in spirit ARE the skillful

> means

> > to

> > > > bring

> > > > > > peace into the mind-body-soul-spirit of the

world.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > we have become the wounded healer. we are the

peace-

> > being

> > > > > bringing

> > > > > > light where darkness exists.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ana

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > do you want the waves to be transformed into

ocean?....

> > > > >

> > > > > i believe this is a nice ideal.....but it will not

> > work.....

> > > > >

> > > > > Marc

> > > > >

> > > > > Remember my Beloved Marc, it is always a beLIEf first,

> > > > > an act of faith second and experienced at long last.

> > > > >

> > > > > We do who we are.

> > > > >

> > > > > Love

> > > > > Ana

> > > >

> > > > this is what is your pesonal " experience " about....

> > > >

> > > > remember that it's this your individual " concept " and

> > perception

> > > > about.......peace is concerned about absolutely Nothing

> > > >

> > > > Marc

> > >

> > >

> > > dear Marc,

> > >

> > > love is not personal... counsciousness is not personal

> > >

> > > ...if with personal you mean that is confined somewhere...

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Can 'one' have an impersonal experience?

> > >

> > > Phil

> > >

> > >

> > > Yes... the experience of " I "

> > >

> > > hugs,

> > > Ana

> >

> >

> > cristal clear Ana and Phil

>

>

> as far is see.....Phil wanted to explain to Ana that " experience "

is

> always personal....and so, that the truth can't be related

> to " experiences " ......because the truth Is.....being...

> (if you would read the messages)

>

> and so....you would " see " that Phil and Ana have perfectly

different

> kind of " views " concerning " experiences " and " truth " ....

>

> i'm wondering what is this your " cristal clear Ana and Phil "

> about.....?.....

>

> are you realy blinded by this your " love energy " or what is the

> reason " you " can't get some " clear " mind.....?

>

> Marc

 

 

Marc, what i see with my blinded eyes of love is that Truth is

wonderfully and clearly experiencing itself through Ana and Phil,

despite different kind of views. hope you enjoy it :)

love to you

 

 

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Nisargadatta

Tuesday, January 10, 2006 5:47 AM

Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

 

 

Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba>

wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...>

> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > ADHHUB@A...

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Tuesday, January 10, 2006 1:17 AM

> > > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > In a message dated 1/9/2006 1:14:47 PM Pacific Standard

Time,

> > > Nisargadatta writes:

> > >

> > > " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba>

> > > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > <dennis_travis33> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz "

> > <nli10u@c...>

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ----- Original Message -----

> > > > > dennis_travis33

> > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > Monday, January 09, 2006 6:50 AM

> > > > > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz "

> > <nli10u@c...>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----

> > > > > > dennis_travis33

> > > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > > Monday, January 09, 2006 6:15 AM

> > > > > > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz "

> > > > <nli10u@c...>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " To give up the task of reforming society is to

up

> > one's

> > > > > > responsibility as a free man. "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " What broke in a man that he can bring himself

to

> > kill

> > > > another? "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " Who knows for what we live and struggle and

> > die?...Wise

> > > > men

> > > > > write

> > > > > > many books, in words to hard to understand. But

> > this, the

> > > > > purpose of

> > > > > > our lives, the end of all struggle,

> > > > > > > is beyond all human wisdom. "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Alan Paton 1/11/1903-4/12/1988

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > South African novelist and activist against

> > apartheid

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >....everybody is indead....free.....to live

> > > > life.....however,

> > > > > > whenever,wherever,....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > some who don't feel to be free....fight to reach

> > this......

> > > > > >

> > > > > > some who feel to be free......enjoy the peace

> > of....being

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Marc

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > and some who are free in spirit ARE the skillful

> means

> > to

> > > > bring

> > > > > > peace into the mind-body-soul-spirit of the

world.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > we have become the wounded healer. we are the

peace-

> > being

> > > > > bringing

> > > > > > light where darkness exists.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ana

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > do you want the waves to be transformed into

ocean?....

> > > > >

> > > > > i believe this is a nice ideal.....but it will not

> > work.....

> > > > >

> > > > > Marc

> > > > >

> > > > > Remember my Beloved Marc, it is always a beLIEf first,

> > > > > an act of faith second and experienced at long last.

> > > > >

> > > > > We do who we are.

> > > > >

> > > > > Love

> > > > > Ana

> > > >

> > > > this is what is your pesonal " experience " about....

> > > >

> > > > remember that it's this your individual " concept " and

> > perception

> > > > about.......peace is concerned about absolutely Nothing

> > > >

> > > > Marc

> > >

> > >

> > > dear Marc,

> > >

> > > love is not personal... counsciousness is not personal

> > >

> > > ...if with personal you mean that is confined somewhere...

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Can 'one' have an impersonal experience?

> > >

> > > Phil

> > >

> > >

> > > Yes... the experience of " I "

> > >

> > > hugs,

> > > Ana

> >

> >

> > cristal clear Ana and Phil

>

>

> as far is see.....Phil wanted to explain to Ana that " experience "

is

> always personal....and so, that the truth can't be related

> to " experiences " ......because the truth Is.....being...

> (if you would read the messages)

>

> and so....you would " see " that Phil and Ana have perfectly

different

> kind of " views " concerning " experiences " and " truth " ....

>

> i'm wondering what is this your " cristal clear Ana and Phil "

> about.....?.....

>

> are you realy blinded by this your " love energy " or what is the

> reason " you " can't get some " clear " mind.....?

>

> Marc

 

 

Marc, what i see with my blinded eyes of love is that Truth is

wonderfully and clearly experiencing itself through Ana and Phil,

despite different kind of views. hope you enjoy it :)

love to you

 

 

...and here we rest, here we find the end of the search, the beginning of

BEING REAL.

 

In Love,

Ana

 

 

 

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>

> -

> bigwaaba

> Nisargadatta

> Tuesday, January 10, 2006 5:47 AM

> Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz "

<nli10u@c...>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > ADHHUB@A...

> > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > Tuesday, January 10, 2006 1:17 AM

> > > > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > In a message dated 1/9/2006 1:14:47 PM Pacific Standard

> Time,

> > > > Nisargadatta writes:

> > > >

> > > > " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba>

> > > > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > <dennis_travis33> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz "

> > > <nli10u@c...>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----

> > > > > > dennis_travis33

> > > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > > Monday, January 09, 2006 6:50 AM

> > > > > > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz "

> > > <nli10u@c...>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----

> > > > > > > dennis_travis33

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > > > Monday, January 09, 2006 6:15 AM

> > > > > > > Re: Quotes from Alan

Paton

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " Anna

Ruiz "

> > > > > <nli10u@c...>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > " To give up the task of reforming society is

to

> up

> > > one's

> > > > > > > responsibility as a free man. "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > " What broke in a man that he can bring

himself

> to

> > > kill

> > > > > another? "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > " Who knows for what we live and struggle

and

> > > die?...Wise

> > > > > men

> > > > > > write

> > > > > > > many books, in words to hard to understand.

But

> > > this, the

> > > > > > purpose of

> > > > > > > our lives, the end of all struggle,

> > > > > > > > is beyond all human wisdom. "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Alan Paton 1/11/1903-4/12/1988

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > South African novelist and activist against

> > > apartheid

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >....everybody is indead....free.....to live

> > > > > life.....however,

> > > > > > > whenever,wherever,....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > some who don't feel to be free....fight to

reach

> > > this......

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > some who feel to be free......enjoy the peace

> > > of....being

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Marc

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > and some who are free in spirit ARE the

skillful

> > means

> > > to

> > > > > bring

> > > > > > > peace into the mind-body-soul-spirit of the

> world.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > we have become the wounded healer. we are the

> peace-

> > > being

> > > > > > bringing

> > > > > > > light where darkness exists.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ana

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > do you want the waves to be transformed into

> ocean?....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > i believe this is a nice ideal.....but it will not

> > > work.....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Marc

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Remember my Beloved Marc, it is always a beLIEf

first,

> > > > > > an act of faith second and experienced at long

last.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > We do who we are.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Love

> > > > > > Ana

> > > > >

> > > > > this is what is your pesonal " experience " about....

> > > > >

> > > > > remember that it's this your individual " concept " and

> > > perception

> > > > > about.......peace is concerned about absolutely Nothing

> > > > >

> > > > > Marc

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > dear Marc,

> > > >

> > > > love is not personal... counsciousness is not personal

> > > >

> > > > ...if with personal you mean that is confined

somewhere...

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Can 'one' have an impersonal experience?

> > > >

> > > > Phil

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Yes... the experience of " I "

> > > >

> > > > hugs,

> > > > Ana

> > >

> > >

> > > cristal clear Ana and Phil

> >

> >

> > as far is see.....Phil wanted to explain to Ana

that " experience "

> is

> > always personal....and so, that the truth can't be related

> > to " experiences " ......because the truth Is.....being...

> > (if you would read the messages)

> >

> > and so....you would " see " that Phil and Ana have perfectly

> different

> > kind of " views " concerning " experiences " and " truth " ....

> >

> > i'm wondering what is this your " cristal clear Ana and Phil "

> > about.....?.....

> >

> > are you realy blinded by this your " love energy " or what is the

> > reason " you " can't get some " clear " mind.....?

> >

> > Marc

>

>

> Marc, what i see with my blinded eyes of love is that Truth is

> wonderfully and clearly experiencing itself through Ana and Phil,

> despite different kind of views. hope you enjoy it :)

> love to you

>

>

> ...and here we rest, here we find the end of the search, the

beginning of BEING REAL.

>

> In Love,

> Ana

>

A rose teaching is in her fragrance

her beauty and strenght one with vulnerability

 

to your heart

 

>

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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Nisargadatta writes:

 

" dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33

Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

 

Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 1/9/2006 4:05:01 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> Nisargadatta writes:

>

> " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33>

> Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

>

> Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...>

wrote:

> >

> >

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > dennis_travis33

> > Nisargadatta

> > Monday, January 09, 2006 6:15 AM

> > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz "

<nli10u@c...>

> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > " To give up the task of reforming society is to up one's

> > responsibility as a free man. "

> > >

> > > " What broke in a man that he can bring himself to kill

another? "

> > >

> > > " Who knows for what we live and struggle and die?...Wise men

> write

> > many books, in words to hard to understand. But this, the

> purpose of

> > our lives, the end of all struggle,

> > > is beyond all human wisdom. "

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Alan Paton 1/11/1903-4/12/1988

> > >

> > > South African novelist and activist against apartheid

> > >

> > >

> > >....everybody is indead....free.....to live life.....however,

> > whenever,wherever,....

> >

> > some who don't feel to be free....fight to reach this......

> >

> > some who feel to be free......enjoy the peace of....being

> >

> > Marc

> >

> >

> > and some who are free in spirit ARE the skillful means to

bring

> > peace into the mind-body-soul-spirit of the world.

> >

> > we have become the wounded healer. we are the peace-being

> bringing

> > light where darkness exists.

> >

> > Ana

>

> you only can bring peace in this your (individual) world

> conception........means, discover this peace....which is

> There.....since ever

>

> thats all

>

> Marc

>

>

>

>

> Yes, Reality cannot be brought into illusion. It's the illusion

that must

> acknowledge Reality, and no one can cause this to occur. As such,

it is a

> movement in one direction only; from the perception that darkness

exists, to the

> realization that it does not.

>

> Phil

 

Yes Phil....

 

" darkness " is often used by people who also talk about " light " .....

like it seem that they have " light " because of some " darkness "

(before or around)......or opposite

 

" .....from the perception that darkness exists, to the

> realization that it does not. "

 

yes....thats what is peace about.....peace about " darkness "

and " light " .......about " birth and death " ......about " past and

future " .......about.....many things

 

Marc

 

 

 

 

Yeah, peace is the realization that none of it matters. There is no how or

why or any way for it to be other than what it is. It is what it is. Let it be

what it is. That's peace.

 

Phil

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta writes:

 

" Anna Ruiz " <nli10u

Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

 

 

-

ADHHUB

Nisargadatta

Tuesday, January 10, 2006 1:12 AM

Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

 

 

 

In a message dated 1/9/2006 1:14:47 PM Pacific Standard Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

" Anna Ruiz " <nli10u

Re: Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

 

 

----- Original Message -----

dennis_travis33

Nisargadatta

Monday, January 09, 2006 6:50 AM

Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

 

 

Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote:

>

>

> -

> dennis_travis33

> Nisargadatta

> Monday, January 09, 2006 6:15 AM

> Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

>

>

> --- In Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...>

wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > " To give up the task of reforming society is to up one's

> responsibility as a free man. "

> >

> > " What broke in a man that he can bring himself to kill another? "

> >

> > " Who knows for what we live and struggle and die?...Wise men

write

> many books, in words to hard to understand. But this, the

purpose of

> our lives, the end of all struggle,

> > is beyond all human wisdom. "

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Alan Paton 1/11/1903-4/12/1988

> >

> > South African novelist and activist against apartheid

> >

> >

> >....everybody is indead....free.....to live life.....however,

> whenever,wherever,....

>

> some who don't feel to be free....fight to reach this......

>

> some who feel to be free......enjoy the peace of....being

>

> Marc

>

>

> and some who are free in spirit ARE the skillful means to bring

> peace into the mind-body-soul-spirit of the world.

>

> we have become the wounded healer. we are the peace-being

bringing

> light where darkness exists.

>

> Ana

 

 

do you want the waves to be transformed into ocean?....

 

i believe this is a nice ideal.....but it will not work.....

 

Marc

 

Remember my Beloved Marc, it is always a beLIEf first,

an act of faith second and experienced at long last.

 

We do who we are.

 

Love

Ana

 

 

 

Remember my beloved Ana, belief and faith are notions that are illusory as

experience. Being is all important. One will do as a natural and inevitable

flow of what one is BEING.

 

Phil

 

Well, my dear Phil, it's just this, chock full of notions such as Being, a

full blown

idyllic /ideaic lystyle, including the Isness of Is, in of and as

This. ;-)

Ana

 

 

 

 

I KNEW you were gonna say that! And all I can say in return is that IS is

all That nothingness IS contained within the fullness of the void of All That

Is, BEING That which IS, notwithstanding the emptiness of the fullness of I AM.

Ha, take that! :)~

 

Phil

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta writes:

 

" Anna Ruiz " <nli10u

Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

 

 

-

ADHHUB

Nisargadatta

Tuesday, January 10, 2006 1:17 AM

Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

 

 

 

In a message dated 1/9/2006 1:14:47 PM Pacific Standard Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

" bigwaaba " <bigwaaba

Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

 

Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...>

wrote:

> >

> >

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > dennis_travis33

> > Nisargadatta

> > Monday, January 09, 2006 6:50 AM

> > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...>

> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > ----- Original Message -----

> > > dennis_travis33

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Monday, January 09, 2006 6:15 AM

> > > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

> > >

> > >

> > > --- In Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz "

> <nli10u@c...>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > " To give up the task of reforming society is to up one's

> > > responsibility as a free man. "

> > > >

> > > > " What broke in a man that he can bring himself to kill

> another? "

> > > >

> > > > " Who knows for what we live and struggle and die?...Wise

> men

> > write

> > > many books, in words to hard to understand. But this, the

> > purpose of

> > > our lives, the end of all struggle,

> > > > is beyond all human wisdom. "

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Alan Paton 1/11/1903-4/12/1988

> > > >

> > > > South African novelist and activist against apartheid

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >....everybody is indead....free.....to live

> life.....however,

> > > whenever,wherever,....

> > >

> > > some who don't feel to be free....fight to reach this......

> > >

> > > some who feel to be free......enjoy the peace of....being

> > >

> > > Marc

> > >

> > >

> > > and some who are free in spirit ARE the skillful means to

> bring

> > > peace into the mind-body-soul-spirit of the world.

> > >

> > > we have become the wounded healer. we are the peace-being

> > bringing

> > > light where darkness exists.

> > >

> > > Ana

> >

> >

> > do you want the waves to be transformed into ocean?....

> >

> > i believe this is a nice ideal.....but it will not work.....

> >

> > Marc

> >

> > Remember my Beloved Marc, it is always a beLIEf first,

> > an act of faith second and experienced at long last.

> >

> > We do who we are.

> >

> > Love

> > Ana

>

> this is what is your pesonal " experience " about....

>

> remember that it's this your individual " concept " and perception

> about.......peace is concerned about absolutely Nothing

>

> Marc

 

 

dear Marc,

 

love is not personal... counsciousness is not personal

 

....if with personal you mean that is confined somewhere...

 

 

 

 

Can 'one' have an impersonal experience?

 

Phil

 

 

Yes... the experience of " I "

 

hugs,

Ana

 

 

 

 

The reason you are here, dear Ana, is that the " I " cannot see the " I " ; the

eye cannot see the eye; the radically subjective cannot objectify itself. Even

Silver's daughter knows this to be so. There is no experience but through the

tint of your human spectacles. What happens when you and your spectacles

have turned to dust?

 

Phil

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta writes:

 

" Anna Ruiz " <nli10u

Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

 

 

-

ADHHUB

Nisargadatta

Tuesday, January 10, 2006 2:41 AM

Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

 

 

 

In a message dated 1/9/2006 1:14:47 PM Pacific Standard Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

" Anna Ruiz " <nli10u

Re: Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

 

 

----- Original Message -----

dennis_travis33

Nisargadatta

Monday, January 09, 2006 8:07 AM

Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

 

 

Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote:

>

>

> -

> dennis_travis33

> Nisargadatta

> Monday, January 09, 2006 6:50 AM

> Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

>

>

> --- In Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...>

wrote:

> >

> >

> > -

> > dennis_travis33

> > Nisargadatta

> > Monday, January 09, 2006 6:15 AM

> > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

> >

> >

> > --- In Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz "

<nli10u@c...>

> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > " To give up the task of reforming society is to up one's

> > responsibility as a free man. "

> > >

> > > " What broke in a man that he can bring himself to kill

another? "

> > >

> > > " Who knows for what we live and struggle and die?...Wise

men

> write

> > many books, in words to hard to understand. But this, the

> purpose of

> > our lives, the end of all struggle,

> > > is beyond all human wisdom. "

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Alan Paton 1/11/1903-4/12/1988

> > >

> > > South African novelist and activist against apartheid

> > >

> > >

> > >....everybody is indead....free.....to live

life.....however,

> > whenever,wherever,....

> >

> > some who don't feel to be free....fight to reach this......

> >

> > some who feel to be free......enjoy the peace of....being

> >

> > Marc

> >

> >

> > and some who are free in spirit ARE the skillful means to

bring

> > peace into the mind-body-soul-spirit of the world.

> >

> > we have become the wounded healer. we are the peace-being

> bringing

> > light where darkness exists.

> >

> > Ana

>

>

> do you want the waves to be transformed into ocean?....

>

> i believe this is a nice ideal.....but it will not work.....

>

> Marc

>

> Remember my Beloved Marc, it is always a beLIEf first,

> an act of faith second and experienced at long last.

>

> We do who we are.

>

> Love

> Ana

 

this is what is your pesonal " experience " about....

 

remember that it's this your individual " concept " and perception

about.......peace is concerned about absolutely Nothing

 

Marc

 

peace is the absolute nothing seeking entrance into the relative

everything...

 

A doorway to THIS IS.

 

IMHO

 

Ana

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What, pray tell, is the meaning of Absolute nothing entering an

illusion?......

How's about this: Absolute peace IS reality. No Absolute anything can enter

relativity or it would become relative.

 

Illusion realizes itself to be Truth. Truth never realizes itself to be ill

usion......IMHO.

 

Phil

 

" you " are the illusion of truth. ;-)

Ana

 

 

 

 

 

And therefore...........what?

 

Phil

 

 

 

 

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>

>

> In a message dated 1/10/2006 1:52:11 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> Nisargadatta writes:

>

> " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33>

> Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

>

> Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote:

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 1/9/2006 4:05:01 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> > Nisargadatta writes:

> >

> > " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33>

> > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...>

> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > ----- Original Message -----

> > > dennis_travis33

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Monday, January 09, 2006 6:15 AM

> > > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

> > >

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz "

> <nli10u@c...>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > " To give up the task of reforming society is to up one's

> > > responsibility as a free man. "

> > > >

> > > > " What broke in a man that he can bring himself to kill

> another? "

> > > >

> > > > " Who knows for what we live and struggle and die?...Wise

men

> > write

> > > many books, in words to hard to understand. But this, the

> > purpose of

> > > our lives, the end of all struggle,

> > > > is beyond all human wisdom. "

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Alan Paton 1/11/1903-4/12/1988

> > > >

> > > > South African novelist and activist against apartheid

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >....everybody is indead....free.....to live

life.....however,

> > > whenever,wherever,....

> > >

> > > some who don't feel to be free....fight to reach this......

> > >

> > > some who feel to be free......enjoy the peace of....being

> > >

> > > Marc

> > >

> > >

> > > and some who are free in spirit ARE the skillful means to

> bring

> > > peace into the mind-body-soul-spirit of the world.

> > >

> > > we have become the wounded healer. we are the peace-being

> > bringing

> > > light where darkness exists.

> > >

> > > Ana

> >

> > you only can bring peace in this your (individual) world

> > conception........means, discover this peace....which is

> > There.....since ever

> >

> > thats all

> >

> > Marc

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Yes, Reality cannot be brought into illusion. It's the illusion

> that must

> > acknowledge Reality, and no one can cause this to occur. As

such,

> it is a

> > movement in one direction only; from the perception that

darkness

> exists, to the

> > realization that it does not.

> >

> > Phil

>

> Yes Phil....

>

> " darkness " is often used by people who also talk about " light " .....

> like it seem that they have " light " because of some " darkness "

> (before or around)......or opposite

>

> " .....from the perception that darkness exists, to the

> > realization that it does not. "

>

> yes....thats what is peace about.....peace about " darkness "

> and " light " .......about " birth and death " ......about " past and

> future " .......about.....many things

>

> Marc

>

>

>

>

> Yeah, peace is the realization that none of it matters. There is no

how or

> why or any way for it to be other than what it is. It is what it

is. Let it be

> what it is. That's peace.

>

> Phil

 

yes.....inner peace is the result of.... " to let " the Self

reflect....what it Is......

 

and to know about the real nature of this reflections......

 

Marc

>

>

>

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Wednesday, January 11, 2006 3:27 AM

Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

 

 

 

In a message dated 1/10/2006 1:52:11 AM Pacific Standard Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

" dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33

Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

 

Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@A... wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 1/9/2006 4:05:01 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> Nisargadatta writes:

>

> " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33>

> Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

>

> Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...>

wrote:

> >

> >

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > dennis_travis33

> > Nisargadatta

> > Monday, January 09, 2006 6:15 AM

> > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz "

<nli10u@c...>

> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > " To give up the task of reforming society is to up one's

> > responsibility as a free man. "

> > >

> > > " What broke in a man that he can bring himself to kill

another? "

> > >

> > > " Who knows for what we live and struggle and die?...Wise men

> write

> > many books, in words to hard to understand. But this, the

> purpose of

> > our lives, the end of all struggle,

> > > is beyond all human wisdom. "

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Alan Paton 1/11/1903-4/12/1988

> > >

> > > South African novelist and activist against apartheid

> > >

> > >

> > >....everybody is indead....free.....to live life.....however,

> > whenever,wherever,....

> >

> > some who don't feel to be free....fight to reach this......

> >

> > some who feel to be free......enjoy the peace of....being

> >

> > Marc

> >

> >

> > and some who are free in spirit ARE the skillful means to

bring

> > peace into the mind-body-soul-spirit of the world.

> >

> > we have become the wounded healer. we are the peace-being

> bringing

> > light where darkness exists.

> >

> > Ana

>

> you only can bring peace in this your (individual) world

> conception........means, discover this peace....which is

> There.....since ever

>

> thats all

>

> Marc

>

>

>

>

> Yes, Reality cannot be brought into illusion. It's the illusion

that must

> acknowledge Reality, and no one can cause this to occur. As such,

it is a

> movement in one direction only; from the perception that darkness

exists, to the

> realization that it does not.

>

> Phil

 

Yes Phil....

 

" darkness " is often used by people who also talk about " light " .....

like it seem that they have " light " because of some " darkness "

(before or around)......or opposite

 

" .....from the perception that darkness exists, to the

> realization that it does not. "

 

yes....thats what is peace about.....peace about " darkness "

and " light " .......about " birth and death " ......about " past and

future " .......about.....many things

 

Marc

 

 

 

 

Yeah, peace is the realization that none of it matters. There is no how or

why or any way for it to be other than what it is. It is what it is. Let it be

what it is. That's peace.

 

Phil

 

We have to make peace with who we are, what it is as it is This. Who knew

that peace is absent absence?

 

We also must Be the peace to bring about a greater peace for all humanity.

 

We are vast, we are nothing if we do not account for Who we are. We can live

in quite harmony and we can effect a worldly change.

 

Ana

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta

Tuesday, January 10, 2006 1:17 AM

Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

 

 

 

In a message dated 1/9/2006 1:14:47 PM Pacific Standard Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

" bigwaaba " <bigwaaba

Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

 

Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...>

wrote:

> >

> >

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > dennis_travis33

> > Nisargadatta

> > Monday, January 09, 2006 6:50 AM

> > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...>

> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > ----- Original Message -----

> > > dennis_travis33

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Monday, January 09, 2006 6:15 AM

> > > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

> > >

> > >

> > > --- In Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz "

> <nli10u@c...>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > " To give up the task of reforming society is to up one's

> > > responsibility as a free man. "

> > > >

> > > > " What broke in a man that he can bring himself to kill

> another? "

> > > >

> > > > " Who knows for what we live and struggle and die?...Wise

> men

> > write

> > > many books, in words to hard to understand. But this, the

> > purpose of

> > > our lives, the end of all struggle,

> > > > is beyond all human wisdom. "

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Alan Paton 1/11/1903-4/12/1988

> > > >

> > > > South African novelist and activist against apartheid

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >....everybody is indead....free.....to live

> life.....however,

> > > whenever,wherever,....

> > >

> > > some who don't feel to be free....fight to reach this......

> > >

> > > some who feel to be free......enjoy the peace of....being

> > >

> > > Marc

> > >

> > >

> > > and some who are free in spirit ARE the skillful means to

> bring

> > > peace into the mind-body-soul-spirit of the world.

> > >

> > > we have become the wounded healer. we are the peace-being

> > bringing

> > > light where darkness exists.

> > >

> > > Ana

> >

> >

> > do you want the waves to be transformed into ocean?....

> >

> > i believe this is a nice ideal.....but it will not work.....

> >

> > Marc

> >

> > Remember my Beloved Marc, it is always a beLIEf first,

> > an act of faith second and experienced at long last.

> >

> > We do who we are.

> >

> > Love

> > Ana

>

> this is what is your pesonal " experience " about....

>

> remember that it's this your individual " concept " and perception

> about.......peace is concerned about absolutely Nothing

>

> Marc

 

 

dear Marc,

 

love is not personal... counsciousness is not personal

 

...if with personal you mean that is confined somewhere...

 

 

 

 

Can 'one' have an impersonal experience?

 

Phil

 

 

Yes... the experience of " I "

 

hugs,

Ana

 

 

 

 

 

 

The reason you are here, dear Ana, is that the " I " cannot see the " I " ; the

eye cannot see the eye; the radically subjective cannot objectify itself. Even

Silver's daughter knows this to be so. There is no experience but through the

tint of your human spectacles. What happens when you and your spectacles

have turned to dust?

 

Phil

 

 

ah, by crickey my dear Phil,

indeed....indeed...

 

who knows?

 

Ana

 

 

 

 

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Wednesday, January 11, 2006 3:48 AM

Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

 

 

 

In a message dated 1/10/2006 1:52:11 AM Pacific Standard Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

" Anna Ruiz " <nli10u

Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

 

 

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Tuesday, January 10, 2006 2:41 AM

Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

 

 

 

In a message dated 1/9/2006 1:14:47 PM Pacific Standard Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

" Anna Ruiz " <nli10u

Re: Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

 

 

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dennis_travis33

Nisargadatta

Monday, January 09, 2006 8:07 AM

Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

 

 

Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote:

>

>

> -

> dennis_travis33

> Nisargadatta

> Monday, January 09, 2006 6:50 AM

> Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

>

>

> --- In Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...>

wrote:

> >

> >

> > -

> > dennis_travis33

> > Nisargadatta

> > Monday, January 09, 2006 6:15 AM

> > Re: Quotes from Alan Paton

> >

> >

> > --- In Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz "

<nli10u@c...>

> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > " To give up the task of reforming society is to up one's

> > responsibility as a free man. "

> > >

> > > " What broke in a man that he can bring himself to kill

another? "

> > >

> > > " Who knows for what we live and struggle and die?...Wise

men

> write

> > many books, in words to hard to understand. But this, the

> purpose of

> > our lives, the end of all struggle,

> > > is beyond all human wisdom. "

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Alan Paton 1/11/1903-4/12/1988

> > >

> > > South African novelist and activist against apartheid

> > >

> > >

> > >....everybody is indead....free.....to live

life.....however,

> > whenever,wherever,....

> >

> > some who don't feel to be free....fight to reach this......

> >

> > some who feel to be free......enjoy the peace of....being

> >

> > Marc

> >

> >

> > and some who are free in spirit ARE the skillful means to

bring

> > peace into the mind-body-soul-spirit of the world.

> >

> > we have become the wounded healer. we are the peace-being

> bringing

> > light where darkness exists.

> >

> > Ana

>

>

> do you want the waves to be transformed into ocean?....

>

> i believe this is a nice ideal.....but it will not work.....

>

> Marc

>

> Remember my Beloved Marc, it is always a beLIEf first,

> an act of faith second and experienced at long last.

>

> We do who we are.

>

> Love

> Ana

 

this is what is your pesonal " experience " about....

 

remember that it's this your individual " concept " and perception

about.......peace is concerned about absolutely Nothing

 

Marc

 

peace is the absolute nothing seeking entrance into the relative

everything...

 

A doorway to THIS IS.

 

IMHO

 

Ana

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What, pray tell, is the meaning of Absolute nothing entering an

illusion?......

How's about this: Absolute peace IS reality. No Absolute anything can enter

relativity or it would become relative.

 

Illusion realizes itself to be Truth. Truth never realizes itself to be ill

usion......IMHO.

 

Phil

 

" you " are the illusion of truth. ;-)

Ana

 

 

 

 

 

And therefore...........what?

 

Phil

 

and therefore truth itself,

Being whatever you would make of it/you.

In your own image, of course...

 

Ana

 

 

 

 

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