Guest guest Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 On Jan 9, 2006, at 1:11 PM, Nisargadatta wrote: >> We have an experience, or realization, and we attach to it a >> label which we pick out of our cultural religious label bag. If we >> are Buddhists, we call it 'Buddha Nature.' If we are Christians, >> we call it union with God. Each religion has it own labels. Then, >> using our best creative verbal effort we attempt to describe >> such perception to others. These efforts are just a pointing in the >> dark. What have we really discovered that is of significance >> to others? >> >> A discovery can only be called such if: >> >> 1) The thing, or phenomena found can >> accurately be identified. >> >> 2) An infallible way to get to it, or reproduce >> the X just discovered can be provided. >> >> Under the above criteria it is clear that the Vikings >> did not discovered America, they, at best were >> the first Europeans to land on it. >> >> So we are all spiritual Vikings, landing on America, >> but unable to communicate to others the nature of, >> or the way to this promised land. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > What is said here is true in terms of any objective > basis. But there is no objective basis. That's the > whole point, in a way. That a " turning in the sea of > consciousness " has turned everything on its head. > > The only reality is that which mistakenly > sought something solid, something real. > > The message brings to mind Buddha's realization that > the myriad beings are all unreal and yet, also, > his having compassion for the myriad beings and so > embarking on a lifetime of teaching. > > And the writer of the message is entwined in a > similar paradox. For if he really believes that > communication to others the nature of, or the > way to, is impossible, why has he written the > message? > Bill P: This are good points you bring up. Let's start by saying that what I wrote above was directed at Randy's contention that Ichazo's integral phil. has discovered and accurately described all mind's states, and so provides a map for realization which all can use. No one can describe realization to one who hasn't realized, but one can describe how it feels and its effects or lack of in ones mind. One also can describe what one did prior to that realization, but, in reality one knows not what worked, and what didn't. And one can never be sure that it'll work for all others. Obviously, there is no infallible practice. Regarding the issue of others, the One is in the position of a cosmic amnesiac who always wakes up without a single memory. The plot thickens if you consider the patient has infinite multiple personalities, and a few are realized, and trying to cure the rest from the dream of separation. Quite a fix! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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