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In a message dated 1/11/2006 7:32:44 AM Pacific Standard Time,

pedsie4 writes:

 

 

On Jan 10, 2006, at 9:32 AM, Maria Luisa Cano wrote:

 

> P: Ah! I noticed you capitalized consciousness,

> > do you belief in a consciousness outside brains?

> > Do you belief your memory, knowledge, and

> > personality will survive your body?

> >

> >

>

> From the dictionary: consciousness |ˈkän ch əsnəs| |

> ˌkɑnʃəsnəs| |ˌkɒnʃəsnɪs| noun the state of being

> awake and aware of one's surroundings : she failed

> to regain consciousness and died two days later.

> • the awareness or perception of something by a

> person : her acute consciousness of Mike's presence.

> • the fact of awareness by the mind of itself and the

> world : consciousness emerges from the operations of

> the brain.

>

> M: Definitely, taking this word as such a definition,

> Peter´s questions are logic. But from the point of

> view of Advaitic philosophy, Consciousness is just

> another name for Parabrahman, or That which sustains

in itself the ever changeless unmanifest and the

ever changing manifest in one single totality.

> ML

>

 

Dear Maria,

 

I don't consider helpful to equate consciousness and Parabrahman.

That is just a little verbal lipstick on the toothless mouth.

It's a comforting trick, and if one is only looking for comfort,

then, it's OK. But If one is dead set on finding 'ground zero,' then

one must question consciousness relentlessly, without verbal

labels.

 

How does it feel to be conscious? how does it feel to be

unconscious? We must come to the point that we sense

the difference, that we come to the realization of consciousness

by the realization of unconsciousness. In unconsciousness

there is no content, not a thing, not even time, no notion of

self, and yet, when we come out of it, we have a sense of

having been unconscious. Inquiring there, at that infinitesimal

edge reveals the infinitude beyond, which is both and neither,

and unaccountably is no thing but this very This. " You " are

everything: the body, the ego, the pain, the bliss, the evil,

the good, life, death, being, and nothing. You are it, the truth

and the false, no thing can be excluded from, simply This.

 

Pete

 

 

 

Your comments tie in nicely with the discussion about experience. Naturally,

what ego wants to do is experience itself as consciousness rather than

simply know itself to be THAT. The shift from experiencing to knowing means the

end of ego and it's capturing of experiences and this is the rub.

 

Phil

 

 

 

 

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On Jan 10, 2006, at 9:32 AM, Maria Luisa Cano wrote:

 

> P: Ah! I noticed you capitalized consciousness,

> >        do you belief in a consciousness outside brains?

> >        Do you belief your memory, knowledge,  and

> >      personality will survive your body?

> >

> >

>

> From the dictionary: consciousness |ˈkän ch əsnəs| |

> ˌkɑnʃəsnəs| |ˌkɒnʃəsnɪs| noun the state of being

> awake and aware of one's surroundings : she failed 

> to regain consciousness and died two days later.

> • the awareness or perception of something by a

> person : her acute  consciousness of Mike's presence.

> • the fact of awareness by the mind of itself and the

> world : consciousness emerges from the operations of

> the brain.

>

> M: Definitely, taking this word as such a definition,

> Peter´s questions are logic. But from the point of

> view of Advaitic philosophy, Consciousness is just

> another name for Parabrahman, or That which sustains

in itself  the ever changeless unmanifest and the

ever changing manifest in one single totality.

> ML

>

 

Dear Maria,

 

I don't consider helpful to equate consciousness and Parabrahman.

That is just a little verbal lipstick on the toothless mouth.

It's a comforting trick, and if one is only looking for comfort,

then, it's OK. But If one is dead set on finding 'ground zero,' then

one must question consciousness relentlessly, without verbal

labels.

 

How does it feel to be conscious? how does it feel to be

unconscious? We must come to the point that we sense

the difference, that we come to the realization of consciousness

by the realization of unconsciousness. In unconsciousness

there is no content, not a thing, not even time, no notion of

self, and yet, when we come out of it, we have a sense of

having been unconscious. Inquiring there, at that infinitesimal

edge reveals the infinitude beyond, which is both and neither,

and unaccountably is no thing but this very This. " You " are

everything: the body, the ego, the pain, the bliss, the evil,

the good, life, death, being, and nothing. You are it, the truth

and the false, no thing can be excluded from, simply This.

 

Pete