Conscience

[Guest guest]

Conscience

Is a science of the inaccurate prognostications

Conditioning the ineffable relegated to

Wanton misrepresentation and assignment

Preached to the choir of who owns God's

Little Acre and how IS the weather up there

In the outlandish but substantial rehearsal

Of alignment by consignment and realignment

Of wishing upon a star, and how I would have

Been if I had been born under the circumstantial

Evidence called " You " .

 

The best and only investment and testament caught

In the act of incarnation...

 

Who knew?

 

 

 

 

 

Ana

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/13/2006 1:57:31 AM Pacific Standard Time,

silver-1069 writes:

 

The more I analyze consciousness, the more I find there the issue

of 'choice with/without conscience' an intriguing one to consider.

What is conscience? From where does it arise? Conditioning? From

within consciousness? When one faces a decision, who does the

choosing?

 

I think of my conscience as an inner guide wich allows me to choose

between what I know is right and what I know is wrong. This knowing

comes from all of the teachings I have learned throughout the history

of my brain's development. I have accepted what is True as what is

True as what is True and what is Wrong as what is Wrong as what is

Wrong.

 

And I have never questioned it.

 

Until now.

 

Conscience.

 

This idea, 'conscience', what is it? It's a piece of my perception

of the world and how I should conduct myself in it. I have

conditioned myself to conduct myself in a socially acceptable way,

based on how I have been conditioned. It seems like a loop operation

in effect here. It's as though I have been programmed to behave a

certain way in a certain setting. In each setting, I behave

according to the software.

 

If I were confronted with a different and unfamiliar set of social

circumstances - like jungle life in the Amazon Forest - I wouldn't

know how to behave. Nothing would compute, so to speak. I would

probably try to behave in the only way that made sense to me in this

new setting. Before losing my mind, I would at least try to conform

to and accept the new circumstances. Either that or give up hope.

 

As an Amazonian Forester now, I would first have to learn the customs

of the natives. Learning their language would come along with that,

right up there in first place. Tied. Language and Customs. Without

learning these I could not adapt successfully to my new environment

in the jungle amongst these seemingly savage natives. They only seem

savage to me due to my unfamiliarity with their language and

customs. So, so, so, what was I talking about? I lost my train of

thought.

 

Oh, yeah. Conscience. Right. Well, how do I choose between right

and wrong?

 

" Silver "

 

 

 

 

Hmmm, well, you know that right/wrong is a duality created by mind and that

it's relative to one's experience and circumstances, just like social morality

which changes with culture, as you suggest. I'm a moral relativist. Murder

is bad unless it's done to save your child from an attacker, then it's good.

 

It seems human nature is fundamentally good. Everyone experiences the need

to feel as though they're useful and valued in the world. Self worth gives ego

a sense of meaning for it's existence. Ego is terrified at the prospect of

being meaningless and valueless.

 

Phil

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote:

>

> Conscience

> Is a science of the inaccurate prognostications

> Conditioning the ineffable relegated to

> Wanton misrepresentation and assignment

> Preached to the choir of who owns God's

> Little Acre and how IS the weather up there

> In the outlandish but substantial rehearsal

> Of alignment by consignment and realignment

> Of wishing upon a star, and how I would have

> Been if I had been born under the circumstantial

> Evidence called " You " .

>

> The best and only investment and testament caught

> In the act of incarnation...

>

> Who knew?

>

>

>

>

>

> Ana

>

>

 

I plead not guilty with no explanation.

 

" Silver "

[Guest guest]

Dear Forester,

With little monsters of your Own, you probably get

plenty of time off the software.

I think that to become aware of how automated we are,

although it feels awful, gives us also a glimpse of a

new cousciousness.

A soft, supple, unpredictable very sharp right on, way

to look and act on things.

Where ? To be found in the rabbit hole, after seeing

how fogged up we are; after meditation;

Giving up what we know to enter wonderland.

Much tenderness to you,

Patricia

--- s_i_l_v_e_r1069 <silver-1069 a

écrit :

 

 

 

The more I analyze consciousness, the more I find

there the issue

of 'choice with/without conscience' an intriguing one

to consider.

What is conscience? From where does it arise?

Conditioning? From

within consciousness? When one faces a decision, who

does the

choosing?

 

I think of my conscience as an inner guide wich allows

me to choose

between what I know is right and what I know is wrong.

This knowing

comes from all of the teachings I have learned

throughout the history

of my brain's development. I have accepted what is

True as what is

True as what is True and what is Wrong as what is

Wrong as what is

Wrong.

 

And I have never questioned it.

 

Until now.

 

Conscience.

 

This idea, 'conscience', what is it? It's a piece of

my perception

of the world and how I should conduct myself in it. I

have

conditioned myself to conduct myself in a socially

acceptable way,

based on how I have been conditioned. It seems like a

loop operation

in effect here. It's as though I have been programmed

to behave a

certain way in a certain setting. In each setting, I

behave

according to the software.

 

If I were confronted with a different and unfamiliar

set of social

circumstances - like jungle life in the Amazon Forest

- I wouldn't

know how to behave. Nothing would compute, so to

speak. I would

probably try to behave in the only way that made sense

to me in this

new setting. Before losing my mind, I would at least

try to conform

to and accept the new circumstances. Either that or

give up hope.

 

As an Amazonian Forester now, I would first have to

learn the customs

of the natives. Learning their language would come

along with that,

right up there in first place. Tied. Language and

Customs. Without

learning these I could not adapt successfully to my

new environment

in the jungle amongst these seemingly savage natives.

They only seem

savage to me due to my unfamiliarity with their

language and

customs. So, so, so, what was I talking about? I

lost my train of

thought.

 

Oh, yeah. Conscience. Right. Well, how do I choose

between right

and wrong?

 

" Silver "

 

 

 

 

 

 

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