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> Mind struggles to get the answers, for it

> does not want to admit it´s limited condition.

> So the only way is to surrender, to accept.

> At this point, questions are finished, stop.

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It is when the organization of experience

around the *little* strange attractors

of the mind productions has passed away

and experience unfolds without the odd

" twists " of such local condensations of

thought frames...

 

That's it too... Frames. Thought specializes

in creating frameworks... little windows of

perspective through which experience is

codified, parsed, digested.

 

When wearing such glasses it is almost

impossible to understand someone who is

really saying, " Hey! Take those Damn

Glasses Off! " The message comes across

as garbled, somehow, warped by the lenses

of perception thought makes.

 

The mind tries so hard to " get it " that

it is impossible to get it. How does one

convey to a mind that is trying to " get

it " that it is the process of trying to

get it that gets in the way of getting it?

 

Mind can think about heart all it wants,

but nothing will come of it.

 

It is when mind *dies* into to heart

that the earth shakes, the skies

open, and the song of truth is heard.

 

The heart is the royal road to truth.

Without heart one is an empty shell.

 

You can say heart and mind " blended "

yada yada yada, as-one-heart-and-mind

yada yada, but the mind is the

servant and the heart the true

emperor.

 

Until the False Pretender, the mind,

is upended... there is a pall cast over

the kingdom, that no fiddling with

thought schemes can ever remedy.

 

 

Bill

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Mind struggles to get the answers, for it

> does not want to admit it´s limited condition.

> So the only way is to surrender, to accept.

> At this point, questions are finished, stop.

 

 

L.E: And then what?

 

Duh!

 

 

 

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> Mind struggles to get the answers, for it

> > does not want to admit it´s limited condition.

> > So the only way is to surrender, to accept.

> > At this point, questions are finished, stop.

>

>

> L.E: And then what?

>

> Duh!

 

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Perhaps I don't know what you are saying.

 

But if you don't know what it is to have

no questions, you can only know directly.

It cannot be explained.

 

It was about two years ago when I happened

to notice that there were no longer any

questions, no wondering about the " nature

of reality " and such. It was not that

" I knew all the answers " . It was just that

there were no questions. And ever since,

no questions.

 

So I can say there is such a thing. And it

is clear that until the questions truly

end, there is the toiling of the apparent

self, there is a striving, however subtle.

 

 

Bill

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In a message dated 1/18/2006 5:01:46 PM Pacific Standard Time,

LucidlyDreaming writes:

 

Reguarding questions.... the way I see it, curiosity is important to the

human race because it has allowed us to uncover so many relative truths

about life. This has been the survival strategy throughout time: if I know,

I control. if I control, I survive. There's nothing wrong with it, it got us

this far. Now we reach the point of wanting to know the whole Truth, really,

and we see that no concept has fulfilled that desire. The questions are

still here, but they can't be satisfied. We hear the invitation to Stop, and

this is absolutely possible. But, since this is a drive for survival, it's

based on fear, fear of not knowing, not understanding, not progressing. So

in my experience, the true surrender is being willing to experience this

fear, as well as this longing for fulfillment, or this rage about being

stuck in a box of " me and mine " or even this despair of inherent limitation,

without denying it and without clinging to it.

 

The answer to the question is so close, the question obscures it. but don't

even look for the answer silently. it is waiting in the core of whatever is

being avoided in the question. We have avoided experiencing negative

emotions for so long, and here are the fruits: more negativity. In the

willingness to suffer, suffering is no longer an obstacle to Truth. Then we

can invite everything.

 

 

 

Excellent!

Yes, in the willingness to suffer, there is no more resistance, hence no

struggle, hence no suffering. In the willingness to see the truth, the truth

shows up, and the false illusion dissolves of it's own accord. The ego's

determination to resist what is, is a most astounding thing.

 

Thank you for that bit of sanity.

 

Phil

 

 

 

 

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The heart is the royal road to truth.

Without heart one is an empty shell.

 

 

 

 

Bill

 

....so, wonder from your heart.

Patricia

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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> The heart is the royal road to truth.

> Without heart one is an empty shell.

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> Bill

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> ...so, wonder from your heart.

> Patricia

 

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Now that's rather nice!

 

Yes, whatever from the heart

is wonderful.

 

Note, though, that the heart doesn't

puzzle about, or try to " find out " .

 

With the heart to wonder is to ponder,

to fathom, to expand, and yes

to in-rapture.

 

 

Bill

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Reguarding questions.... the way I see it, curiosity

is important to the human race because it has allowed

us to uncover so many relative truths about life.

This has been the survival strategy throughout time:

if I know, I control. if I control, I survive.

There's nothing wrong with it, it got us this far.

Now we reach the point of wanting to know the whole

Truth, really, and we see that no concept has

fulfilled that desire. The questions are still here,

but they can't be satisfied. We hear the invitation

to Stop, and this is absolutely possible. But, since

this is a drive for survival, it's based on fear,

fear of not knowing, not understanding, not

progressing. So in my experience, the true surrender

is being willing to experience this fear, as well as

this longing for fulfillment, or this rage about

being stuck in a box of " me and mine " or even this

despair of inherent limitation, without denying it

and without clinging to it.

 

The answer to the question is so close, the question

obscures it. but don't even look for the answer

silently. it is waiting in the core of whatever is

being avoided in the question. We have avoided

experiencing negative emotions for so long, and here

are the fruits: more negativity. In the willingness

to suffer, suffering is no longer an obstacle to

Truth. Then we can invite everything.

>>>>>>>>>

 

What you have written here is wonderful.

 

You mention curiousity, and I think it would be

worthwhile to go into that a bit.

 

It seems that so many notions that pertain to

human experience can be interpreted in two very

distinct contexts. One context is that of human

experience as experienced with respect to an

" existential self " . Even if, as I consider, there

is no such thing as an existential self, when

human experience is interpreted *as if* there were

then there is a great deal of distortion. The

primary quality of distortion is an underlying

sense of " angst " (fear, dread, anxiety in the

face of the daunting uncertainties of existence).

 

A sense of being perplexed about life, about " the

mysteries " , a sense of wondering about those mysteries

where there is a quality of urgency rooted in

existenial uncertainty, *that* I suggest is simply

symptomatic of not having come to the deep peace

where the mind has died into the heart and oneness

pervades.

 

Curiosity, on the other hand, is lighter fare.

Curiosity (as I read the term) is not so heavy,

is not laden with an existenial urgency, a

need-to-know that is not joy but rather a burden.

 

 

Bill

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--- billrishel <illusyn a écrit :

 

 

 

>

> The heart is the royal road to truth.

> Without heart one is an empty shell.

>

>

>

>

> Bill

>

> ...so, wonder from your heart.

> Patricia

 

>>>>

 

Now that's rather nice!

 

Yes, whatever from the heart

is wonderful.

 

Note, though, that the heart doesn't

puzzle about, or try to " find out " .

 

With the heart to wonder is to ponder,

to fathom, to expand, and yes

to in-rapture.

 

 

Bill

 

 

P: True, the heart isn`t trying to change the planet

either,

It has to much joy at dispensing its very own subtle

perfume of friendship.

I, on another hand, am so busy trying to change a very

hopeless situation.

do you think a lobotomie might help..?

Sorry, am hitting another bottom yet..

Patricia

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige>

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> --- billrishel <illusyn@g...> a écrit :

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> > The heart is the royal road to truth.

> > Without heart one is an empty shell.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Bill

> >

> > ...so, wonder from your heart.

> > Patricia

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> >>>>

>

> Now that's rather nice!

>

> Yes, whatever from the heart

> is wonderful.

>

> Note, though, that the heart doesn't

> puzzle about, or try to " find out " .

>

> With the heart to wonder is to ponder,

> to fathom, to expand, and yes

> to in-rapture.

>

>

> Bill

>

>

> P: True, the heart isn`t trying to change the planet

> either,

> It has to much joy at dispensing its very own subtle

> perfume of friendship.

> I, on another hand, am so busy trying to change a very

> hopeless situation.

> do you think a lobotomie might help..?

> Sorry, am hitting another bottom yet..

> Patricia

 

*****Personally, I would rather have a bottle in front of me that a

frontal labotomy.

 

>:0)

 

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P: True, the heart isn`t trying to change the planet

either,

It has to much joy at dispensing its very own subtle

perfume of friendship.

I, on another hand, am so busy trying to change a very

hopeless situation.

do you think a lobotomie might help..?

Sorry, am hitting another bottom yet..

Patricia

 

>>>>>>>>>>>

 

When you go all the way down

you come out on up.

 

Meanwhile... where is your spirit?

 

 

Bill

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> When you go all the way down

> you come out on up.

>

> Meanwhile... where is your spirit?

>

>

> Bill

>

> ............

> I guess the spirit doesn`t go up and down, it stays in

> the very middle ?

> Patricia

 

....

Well then! Abide with your spirit and all those

sea changes end!

 

 

Bill

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