Guest guest Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 > Mind struggles to get the answers, for it > does not want to admit it´s limited condition. > So the only way is to surrender, to accept. > At this point, questions are finished, stop. >>>> It is when the organization of experience around the *little* strange attractors of the mind productions has passed away and experience unfolds without the odd " twists " of such local condensations of thought frames... That's it too... Frames. Thought specializes in creating frameworks... little windows of perspective through which experience is codified, parsed, digested. When wearing such glasses it is almost impossible to understand someone who is really saying, " Hey! Take those Damn Glasses Off! " The message comes across as garbled, somehow, warped by the lenses of perception thought makes. The mind tries so hard to " get it " that it is impossible to get it. How does one convey to a mind that is trying to " get it " that it is the process of trying to get it that gets in the way of getting it? Mind can think about heart all it wants, but nothing will come of it. It is when mind *dies* into to heart that the earth shakes, the skies open, and the song of truth is heard. The heart is the royal road to truth. Without heart one is an empty shell. You can say heart and mind " blended " yada yada yada, as-one-heart-and-mind yada yada, but the mind is the servant and the heart the true emperor. Until the False Pretender, the mind, is upended... there is a pall cast over the kingdom, that no fiddling with thought schemes can ever remedy. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 Mind struggles to get the answers, for it > does not want to admit it´s limited condition. > So the only way is to surrender, to accept. > At this point, questions are finished, stop. L.E: And then what? Duh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 > Mind struggles to get the answers, for it > > does not want to admit it´s limited condition. > > So the only way is to surrender, to accept. > > At this point, questions are finished, stop. > > > L.E: And then what? > > Duh! >>>> Perhaps I don't know what you are saying. But if you don't know what it is to have no questions, you can only know directly. It cannot be explained. It was about two years ago when I happened to notice that there were no longer any questions, no wondering about the " nature of reality " and such. It was not that " I knew all the answers " . It was just that there were no questions. And ever since, no questions. So I can say there is such a thing. And it is clear that until the questions truly end, there is the toiling of the apparent self, there is a striving, however subtle. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 In a message dated 1/18/2006 5:01:46 PM Pacific Standard Time, LucidlyDreaming writes: Reguarding questions.... the way I see it, curiosity is important to the human race because it has allowed us to uncover so many relative truths about life. This has been the survival strategy throughout time: if I know, I control. if I control, I survive. There's nothing wrong with it, it got us this far. Now we reach the point of wanting to know the whole Truth, really, and we see that no concept has fulfilled that desire. The questions are still here, but they can't be satisfied. We hear the invitation to Stop, and this is absolutely possible. But, since this is a drive for survival, it's based on fear, fear of not knowing, not understanding, not progressing. So in my experience, the true surrender is being willing to experience this fear, as well as this longing for fulfillment, or this rage about being stuck in a box of " me and mine " or even this despair of inherent limitation, without denying it and without clinging to it. The answer to the question is so close, the question obscures it. but don't even look for the answer silently. it is waiting in the core of whatever is being avoided in the question. We have avoided experiencing negative emotions for so long, and here are the fruits: more negativity. In the willingness to suffer, suffering is no longer an obstacle to Truth. Then we can invite everything. Excellent! Yes, in the willingness to suffer, there is no more resistance, hence no struggle, hence no suffering. In the willingness to see the truth, the truth shows up, and the false illusion dissolves of it's own accord. The ego's determination to resist what is, is a most astounding thing. Thank you for that bit of sanity. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 The heart is the royal road to truth. Without heart one is an empty shell. Bill ....so, wonder from your heart. Patricia _________________________ Nouveau : téléphonez moins cher avec Messenger ! Découvez les tarifs exceptionnels pour appeler la France et l'international. Téléchargez sur http://fr.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 > > The heart is the royal road to truth. > Without heart one is an empty shell. > > > > > Bill > > ...so, wonder from your heart. > Patricia >>>> Now that's rather nice! Yes, whatever from the heart is wonderful. Note, though, that the heart doesn't puzzle about, or try to " find out " . With the heart to wonder is to ponder, to fathom, to expand, and yes to in-rapture. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 Reguarding questions.... the way I see it, curiosity is important to the human race because it has allowed us to uncover so many relative truths about life. This has been the survival strategy throughout time: if I know, I control. if I control, I survive. There's nothing wrong with it, it got us this far. Now we reach the point of wanting to know the whole Truth, really, and we see that no concept has fulfilled that desire. The questions are still here, but they can't be satisfied. We hear the invitation to Stop, and this is absolutely possible. But, since this is a drive for survival, it's based on fear, fear of not knowing, not understanding, not progressing. So in my experience, the true surrender is being willing to experience this fear, as well as this longing for fulfillment, or this rage about being stuck in a box of " me and mine " or even this despair of inherent limitation, without denying it and without clinging to it. The answer to the question is so close, the question obscures it. but don't even look for the answer silently. it is waiting in the core of whatever is being avoided in the question. We have avoided experiencing negative emotions for so long, and here are the fruits: more negativity. In the willingness to suffer, suffering is no longer an obstacle to Truth. Then we can invite everything. >>>>>>>>> What you have written here is wonderful. You mention curiousity, and I think it would be worthwhile to go into that a bit. It seems that so many notions that pertain to human experience can be interpreted in two very distinct contexts. One context is that of human experience as experienced with respect to an " existential self " . Even if, as I consider, there is no such thing as an existential self, when human experience is interpreted *as if* there were then there is a great deal of distortion. The primary quality of distortion is an underlying sense of " angst " (fear, dread, anxiety in the face of the daunting uncertainties of existence). A sense of being perplexed about life, about " the mysteries " , a sense of wondering about those mysteries where there is a quality of urgency rooted in existenial uncertainty, *that* I suggest is simply symptomatic of not having come to the deep peace where the mind has died into the heart and oneness pervades. Curiosity, on the other hand, is lighter fare. Curiosity (as I read the term) is not so heavy, is not laden with an existenial urgency, a need-to-know that is not joy but rather a burden. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 In the willingness to see the truth, the truth shows up. >> I love it. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 --- billrishel <illusyn a écrit : > > The heart is the royal road to truth. > Without heart one is an empty shell. > > > > > Bill > > ...so, wonder from your heart. > Patricia >>>> Now that's rather nice! Yes, whatever from the heart is wonderful. Note, though, that the heart doesn't puzzle about, or try to " find out " . With the heart to wonder is to ponder, to fathom, to expand, and yes to in-rapture. Bill P: True, the heart isn`t trying to change the planet either, It has to much joy at dispensing its very own subtle perfume of friendship. I, on another hand, am so busy trying to change a very hopeless situation. do you think a lobotomie might help..? Sorry, am hitting another bottom yet.. Patricia ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige> wrote: > > > --- billrishel <illusyn@g...> a écrit : > > > > > > > The heart is the royal road to truth. > > Without heart one is an empty shell. > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > ...so, wonder from your heart. > > Patricia > > >>>> > > Now that's rather nice! > > Yes, whatever from the heart > is wonderful. > > Note, though, that the heart doesn't > puzzle about, or try to " find out " . > > With the heart to wonder is to ponder, > to fathom, to expand, and yes > to in-rapture. > > > Bill > > > P: True, the heart isn`t trying to change the planet > either, > It has to much joy at dispensing its very own subtle > perfume of friendship. > I, on another hand, am so busy trying to change a very > hopeless situation. > do you think a lobotomie might help..? > Sorry, am hitting another bottom yet.. > Patricia *****Personally, I would rather have a bottle in front of me that a frontal labotomy. >:0) " Silver " > > > > > ** > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to > change your subscription, sign in with your ID > and go to Edit My Groups: > > /mygroups?edit=1 > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " > for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 P: True, the heart isn`t trying to change the planet either, It has to much joy at dispensing its very own subtle perfume of friendship. I, on another hand, am so busy trying to change a very hopeless situation. do you think a lobotomie might help..? Sorry, am hitting another bottom yet.. Patricia >>>>>>>>>>> When you go all the way down you come out on up. Meanwhile... where is your spirit? Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 > When you go all the way down > you come out on up. > > Meanwhile... where is your spirit? > > > Bill > > ............ > I guess the spirit doesn`t go up and down, it stays in > the very middle ? > Patricia .... Well then! Abide with your spirit and all those sea changes end! Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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