Guest guest Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 I just finished meditating. What a fruitless waste of time! I sat there for an hour and did nothing. Okay, well, sitting there quietly was doing something, I guess. But what was the point? I watched my thoughts come and go. Sometimes I would get lost in my thoughts and then I would realize it and go back to sitting quietly again without thinking. I would just sit there with mySelf in the sense of 'I am' and...and...WHAT??? I don't know! So what? So, I am. Big f**king deal! I know I am. So...was that the point? If it was, then I really don't think I missed it. How could I? If knowing I am is not the point of meditation, then what the hell else could it be? " Silver " (Frustrated.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver- 1069@h...> wrote: > > I just finished meditating. What a fruitless waste of time! I sat > there for an hour and did nothing. Okay, well, sitting there quietly > was doing something, I guess. But what was the point? I watched my > thoughts come and go. Sometimes I would get lost in my thoughts and > then I would realize it and go back to sitting quietly again without > thinking. I would just sit there with mySelf in the sense of 'I am' > and...and...WHAT??? I don't know! So what? So, I am. Big f**king > deal! I know I am. > > So...was that the point? If it was, then I really don't think I > missed it. How could I? If knowing I am is not the point of > meditation, then what the hell else could it be? > > " Silver " (Frustrated.) meditation is to go behind body-mind-intellect sense..... There....you are, indeed....pure mind and love.....you just are no thoughts.....just awareness...... when this " meditation-awareness " is the awareness of your being.....during the day.....then you are detached from endless ideas, thoughts,projects,ambitions..... " coming and going " .... meditation also transform your whole perception of....being..... yes, sure.....everybody know that he/she Is......but nobody get satisfaction with just " thinking " .... " to be " try out a way....how to reduce this your thoughts..... get peace.....however Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 > I just finished meditating. What a fruitless waste of time! I sat > there for an hour and did nothing. Okay, well, sitting there quietly > was doing something, I guess. But what was the point? I watched my > thoughts come and go. Sometimes I would get lost in my thoughts and > then I would realize it and go back to sitting quietly again without > thinking. I would just sit there with mySelf in the sense of 'I am' > and...and...WHAT??? I don't know! So what? So, I am. Big f**king > deal! I know I am. > > So...was that the point? If it was, then I really don't think I > missed it. How could I? If knowing I am is not the point of > meditation, then what the hell else could it be? > > " Silver " (Frustrated.) > ...... Meditation seemed not to have a point to you. And what *does* have a point to you? Have you investigated the entire business of an importance to " having a point " ? Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@g...> wrote: > > > I just finished meditating. What a fruitless waste of time! I sat > > there for an hour and did nothing. Okay, well, sitting there quietly > > was doing something, I guess. But what was the point? I watched my > > thoughts come and go. Sometimes I would get lost in my thoughts and > > then I would realize it and go back to sitting quietly again without > > thinking. I would just sit there with mySelf in the sense of 'I am' > > and...and...WHAT??? I don't know! So what? So, I am. Big f**king > > deal! I know I am. > > > > So...was that the point? If it was, then I really don't think I > > missed it. How could I? If knowing I am is not the point of > > meditation, then what the hell else could it be? > > > > " Silver " (Frustrated.) > > > ..... > > Meditation seemed not to have a point to you. > > And what *does* have a point to you? > > Have you investigated the entire business > of an importance to " having a point " ? > > Bill Assuming you investigated that question for yourself, how much importance did you place on the investigation? Why was it important to you? " Silver " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Hi Silver, what a beautiful posting! I like it! You did not miss the point, you nailed it exactly to the point! Dont be frustrated, you are about to free yourself from one of the holy cows of the hypocrite " spiritual " community. Either everything is meditation or nothing is meditation. But reserving some minutes a day to sit silently lost in dumb struggle has nothing to do with it. There is no point in it! And never was. It has the same function as doing the confession in church. It soothes the conscience. One " did " something at least. And is going to wait for the reward. But the reward is never coming. It is called: life after death in paradise, nirvana, enlightenment, super power or whatever. All those things are inventions of the priests and business people to keep the masses dumb. Nisargadatta about meditation: Q:What is the purpose of meditation? M:Seeing the false as the false is meditation. This must go on all the time. So lets get loose, finally... Stefan Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069@h...> wrote: > >I just finished meditating. What a fruitless waste of time! I sat >there for an hour and did nothing. Okay, well, sitting there quietly >was doing something, I guess. But what was the point? I watched my >thoughts come and go. Sometimes I would get lost in my thoughts and >then I would realize it and go back to sitting quietly again without >thinking. I would just sit there with mySelf in the sense of 'I am' >and...and...WHAT??? I don't know! So what? So, I am. Big f**king >deal! I know I am. > >So...was that the point? If it was, then I really don't think I >missed it. How could I? If knowing I am is not the point of >meditation, then what the hell else could it be? > > " Silver " (Frustrated.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: >Nice to see you again (((Stefan))). > >Love, >Ana you are the lotus flower floating in brackish waters but how comes that the waters never touch your petals and then in the morning you wear dewdrops like precious pearls but how comes that your velvety skin doesn't get wet :-) Stefan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 > > >S: I just finished meditating. What a fruitless waste of time! I > sat > > > there for an hour and did nothing. Okay, well, sitting there > quietly > > > was doing something, I guess. But what was the point? I watched > my > > > thoughts come and go. Sometimes I would get lost in my thoughts > and > > > then I would realize it and go back to sitting quietly again > without > > > thinking. I would just sit there with mySelf in the sense of 'I > am' > > > and...and...WHAT??? I don't know! So what? So, I am. Big > f**king > > > deal! I know I am. > > > > > > So...was that the point? If it was, then I really don't think I > > > missed it. How could I? If knowing I am is not the point of > > > meditation, then what the hell else could it be? > > > > > > " Silver " (Frustrated.) > > > > > ..... > > > > Meditation seemed not to have a point to you. > > > > And what *does* have a point to you? > > > > Have you investigated the entire business > > of an importance to " having a point " ? > > > > Bill > > Assuming you investigated that question for yourself, how much > importance did you place on the investigation? Why was it important > to you? > > " Silver " >>>>>>>> The question applies to you, but not to me. Why? Because it is you that effectively stated that " having a point " is significant when you said: If knowing I am is not the point of meditation, then what the hell else could it be? I don't know what " having a point " means to you. But since it is significant, apparently, to you, I asked you what that actually means to you. So now I ask you, *is* " having a point " signficant, important to you? You don't have to tell me your response. I just offer the question in relation to your general question about the signficance of meditation. If you find it irrelevant, move on. Oh well, having said all that perhaps I could give my reponse to the question: The whole idea of " what's the point of this " seems shallow, superficial. It's a left-brain take on things. The left brain doesn't like us diving into meditation, as meditation is a *very* right brained thing, and the ole left-brain doesn't want to turn over the reins. So when you start to meditate it gets annoyed and asks, " What's the point of this anyway? Can we move on? " Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 I don`t mean to be discouraging, but it is a kind of life that you jump in, or not. I don`t think I can go halfway with that stuff. And what it brings is not what you ever expect but it is solid and radical. It is certainly not a<better way of life> the way I can thing of it. >>>>> Any inquiry must be undertaken in complete earnestness. Anything less is a masquerade. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 Am looking for the day where I will be into sitting down with nothing in my hands, Nothing grabbing in my head, Heart as light as the song of a canarie. Meanwhile,I try to really pay attention to the unessential, throught the day, Drop it, and keep vigilant. I think that is what will bring me to truly be able to sit quietly And watch clouds passing by without feeling the fiery breath of toothless dragons. I sit quietly for about 15 minutes three times a day, sometime read a little to get my willies settled and sometimes, I really feel like pushing it a little more become it feels GOOD. Good night to you all, Patricia _________________________ Nouveau : téléphonez moins cher avec Messenger ! Découvez les tarifs exceptionnels pour appeler la France et l'international. Téléchargez sur http://fr.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@o...> wrote: > > Hi Silver, > > what a beautiful posting! I like it! You did not miss the point, you > nailed it exactly to the point! Dont be frustrated, you are about to > free yourself from one of the holy cows of the hypocrite " spiritual " > community. Either everything is meditation or nothing is meditation. > But reserving some minutes a day to sit silently lost in dumb struggle > has nothing to do with it. There is no point in it! And never was. It > has the same function as doing the confession in church. It soothes > the conscience. One " did " something at least. And is going to wait for > the reward. But the reward is never coming. It is called: life after > death in paradise, nirvana, enlightenment, super power or whatever. > All those things are inventions of the priests and business people to > keep the masses dumb. > > Nisargadatta about meditation: > Q:What is the purpose of meditation? > M:Seeing the false as the false is meditation. This must go on all the > time. > > So lets get loose, finally... > Stefan > > Hi Stefan, you write: " Either everything is meditation or nothing is meditation " so i hope for " you " ....that, indeed, everything is meditation.... means, that you " see the false as the false " ....all the time but then....why seeing " holy cows of the hypocrite " spiritual " community. " ......and " who " exactly is seeing this...? .....if you " see the false as the false " .....means, if you know your Self Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@g...> wrote: > > > > >S: I just finished meditating. What a fruitless waste of time! I > > sat > > > > there for an hour and did nothing. Okay, well, sitting there > > quietly > > > > was doing something, I guess. But what was the point? I watched > > my > > > > thoughts come and go. Sometimes I would get lost in my thoughts > > and > > > > then I would realize it and go back to sitting quietly again > > without > > > > thinking. I would just sit there with mySelf in the sense of 'I > > am' > > > > and...and...WHAT??? I don't know! So what? So, I am. Big > > f**king > > > > deal! I know I am. > > > > > > > > So...was that the point? If it was, then I really don't think I > > > > missed it. How could I? If knowing I am is not the point of > > > > meditation, then what the hell else could it be? > > > > > > > > " Silver " (Frustrated.) > > > > > > > ..... > > > > > > Meditation seemed not to have a point to you. > > > > > > And what *does* have a point to you? > > > > > > Have you investigated the entire business > > > of an importance to " having a point " ? > > > > > > Bill > > > > Assuming you investigated that question for yourself, how much > > importance did you place on the investigation? Why was it important > > to you? > > > > " Silver " > > >>>>>>>> > > The question applies to you, but not to me. > Why? Because it is you that effectively stated > that " having a point " is significant when you > said: > > If knowing I am is not the point of meditation, > then what the hell else could it be? *****You assume I made a statement of fact when I obviously only meant to pose a question. The question mark at the end of the sentence, it seems to me, makes for very good evidence of this. Furthermore, my assumption was to think that I had effectively communicated myself to you, which is not the case in this matter. Somehow I miscommunicated myself to you to mean that I believe that " having a point " is significant, which I don't. I don't have an opinion. It was a question thrown out in confusion and frustration after my mind snapped. I didn't expect someone to reply. But thanks. > > I don't know what " having a point " means to you. > But since it is significant, apparently, to you, > I asked you what that actually means to you. ****Well, since we're on the topic anyway, what the heck. I'll give you my opinion of what I think is significant about " having a point. " What does it mean to me to " have a point? " Not just any point but a significant one? Significance implies meaning. Having a meaningful existence is the point. Do I have any meaning? I know that I AM but what does that mean, if anything? And who's asking? Why even ask in the first place? Do I need to know the answers to all of these questions before I can realize? And realize what? What is there to realize, eh? > > So now I ask you, *is* " having a point " signficant, > important to you? You don't have to tell me your > response. I just offer the question in relation > to your general question about the signficance of > meditation. If you find it irrelevant, move on. ****No, no. I won't move on. I don't see the irrelevancy of your remarks at all. I only wish I could understand what you mean by " having a point. " > > Oh well, having said all that perhaps I could > give my reponse to the question: > > The whole idea of " what's the point of this " seems > shallow, superficial. It's a left-brain take on > things. The left brain doesn't like us diving into > meditation, as meditation is a *very* right brained > thing, and the ole left-brain doesn't want to turn > over the reins. So when you start to meditate it > gets annoyed and asks, " What's the point of this > anyway? Can we move on? " So the point to meditation is to let the left-brain relax while allowing the right-brain to take the driver's seat for a while? What do you mean? What's up with this belief of yours about the brain being divided into two halves? Left-brain seems to strongly dislike Right-brain in your conception of it. You concpetualize the functioning of the brain as a two-sided electro-chemical bio- reactionary movement between two dimensions of perception: left and right. The world as seen through the eyes of THE LEFT BRAIN vs. THE RIGHT BRAIN. Opposing energies. Yin and Yang. Male and Female. Positive and Negative. These energies need not oppose one another. They can be brought into harmony with the proper training but I'm no Yoda. Lol. Sitting for hours in Meditation is not for me. It doesn't take me There like - drumming does. Drumming, for me, is a form of meditation, in a way. Sitting meditation's sole purpose, it seems to me, is to give one that sense of inner-peace and to bring oneself to that Awareness of Oneness crap. I get more out of drumming for twenty-five minutes than I do out of sitting there contemplating my navel for an hour! You talk about quieting the Left- Brain so the Right-Brain can come to center-stage? There is nothing like drumming to do the trick! It's TOTALLY Right-Brain. Plus it's fun as all hell! Beats sitting there just doing nothing. It all comes down to the same thing but at least with an all 'round energetic meditation activity like drumming, you get more bang for your buck. Either route gets one There eventually. In my opinion, sitting meditation or drumming are both useless activities in themselves. What matters is the motive of the meditator and the drummer. What motivates the meditator to meditate and what motivates the drummer to drum? Is it not love of self? Self-love is at the root of any activity done for the purpose of satisfying a craving for pleasure. Desire is a powerful enemy capable of destroying a whole planet. Think not that it can't do you harm. It cannot destroy you but it can hinder you from knowing Yourself as Who You are in Reality. The mind's false dream of painting a real picture of the world is just that: false. No activity in which the mind is involved can take one out of mind. Any activity which quietens the mind and gives one a sense of inner-peace is harmless but should it be taken as a final solution to everything? When the motive to meditate or drum comes from Self-Love, there could not be anything wrong with those activities. Anything done from Love is valid. However, there is always the perceived danger of never getting the point, whatever that point was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33> wrote: >Hi Stefan, > >you write: > " Either everything is meditation or nothing is meditation " > >so i hope for " you " ....that, indeed, everything is meditation.... >means, that you " see the false as the false " ....all the time >but then....why seeing " holy cows of the hypocrite " spiritual " >community. " ......and " who " exactly is seeing this...? >...if you " see the false as the false " .....means, if you know your >Self Hi Marc... seeing the false as the false simply means: seeing the false as the false. Since it is false it falls apart once seen. But the funny thing is: it was never there! So I have to be more accurate in my speech: once it is seen the absurdity of looking at it is seen. Hence the laughter. I cannot see any " self " that has to be known! Where is it? Behind my lungs above my stomach? There is life and the cart is rolling, thats it. For now. Greetings Stefan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@o...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > >Hi Stefan, > > > >you write: > > " Either everything is meditation or nothing is meditation " > > > >so i hope for " you " ....that, indeed, everything is meditation.... > >means, that you " see the false as the false " ....all the time > >but then....why seeing " holy cows of the hypocrite " spiritual " > >community. " ......and " who " exactly is seeing this...? > >...if you " see the false as the false " .....means, if you know your > >Self > > Hi Marc... > > seeing the false as the false simply means: seeing the false as the > false. Since it is false it falls apart once seen. But the funny thing > is: it was never there! So I have to be more accurate in my speech: > once it is seen the absurdity of looking at it is seen. Hence the > laughter. I cannot see any " self " that has to be known! Where is it? > Behind my lungs above my stomach? There is life and the cart is > rolling, thats it. For now. > > Greetings > Stefan Hi Stefan, the Self is what is always there....present.....now..... life is rolling around....and around....Self always the lungs are breathing.....by this presence of Self...... and the stomach is digesting.....by the presense of Self.... the day on which the lungs stop to breathe.....Self is there....still....and forever.... but you are right.....absolutely no reason to stop breathing..... Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@o...> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > >Hi Stefan, > > > > > >you write: > > > " Either everything is meditation or nothing is meditation " > > > > > >so i hope for " you " ....that, indeed, everything is meditation.... > > >means, that you " see the false as the false " ....all the time > > >but then....why seeing " holy cows of the hypocrite " spiritual " > > >community. " ......and " who " exactly is seeing this...? > > >...if you " see the false as the false " .....means, if you know your > > >Self > > > > Hi Marc... > > > > seeing the false as the false simply means: seeing the false as the > > false. Since it is false it falls apart once seen. But the funny > thing > > is: it was never there! So I have to be more accurate in my speech: > > once it is seen the absurdity of looking at it is seen. Hence the > > laughter. I cannot see any " self " that has to be known! Where is it? > > Behind my lungs above my stomach? There is life and the cart is > > rolling, thats it. For now. > > > > Greetings > > Stefan > > Hi Stefan, > > the Self is what is always there....present.....now..... > > life is rolling around....and around....Self > > always the lungs are breathing.....by this presence of Self...... > and the stomach is digesting.....by the presense of Self.... > > the day on which the lungs stop to breathe.....Self is > there....still....and forever.... > > but you are right.....absolutely no reason to stop breathing..... > > Marc Marc, there is no self. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@o...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > > > >Hi Stefan, > > > > > > > >you write: > > > > " Either everything is meditation or nothing is meditation " > > > > > > > >so i hope for " you " ....that, indeed, everything is meditation.... > > > >means, that you " see the false as the false " ....all the time > > > >but then....why seeing " holy cows of the hypocrite " spiritual " > > > >community. " ......and " who " exactly is seeing this...? > > > >...if you " see the false as the false " .....means, if you know > your > > > >Self > > > > > > Hi Marc... > > > > > > seeing the false as the false simply means: seeing the false as > the > > > false. Since it is false it falls apart once seen. But the funny > > thing > > > is: it was never there! So I have to be more accurate in my > speech: > > > once it is seen the absurdity of looking at it is seen. Hence the > > > laughter. I cannot see any " self " that has to be known! Where is > it? > > > Behind my lungs above my stomach? There is life and the cart is > > > rolling, thats it. For now. > > > > > > Greetings > > > Stefan > > > > Hi Stefan, > > > > the Self is what is always there....present.....now..... > > > > life is rolling around....and around....Self > > > > always the lungs are breathing.....by this presence of Self...... > > and the stomach is digesting.....by the presense of Self.... > > > > the day on which the lungs stop to breathe.....Self is > > there....still....and forever.... > > > > but you are right.....absolutely no reason to stop breathing..... > > > > Marc > > > > > Marc, there is no self. ok, bigwaaba, if you want, there is no self then there is " bigwaaba " and " Marc " and " Stefan " and " wave27 " and... and we all are dreaming to be ocean..... or....good idea.....let's all be " bigwaaba " Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@o...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > > > > > >Hi Stefan, > > > > > > > > > >you write: > > > > > " Either everything is meditation or nothing is meditation " > > > > > > > > > >so i hope for " you " ....that, indeed, everything is > meditation.... > > > > >means, that you " see the false as the false " ....all the time > > > > >but then....why seeing " holy cows of the hypocrite " spiritual " > > > > >community. " ......and " who " exactly is seeing this...? > > > > >...if you " see the false as the false " .....means, if you know > > your > > > > >Self > > > > > > > > Hi Marc... > > > > > > > > seeing the false as the false simply means: seeing the false as > > the > > > > false. Since it is false it falls apart once seen. But the > funny > > > thing > > > > is: it was never there! So I have to be more accurate in my > > speech: > > > > once it is seen the absurdity of looking at it is seen. Hence > the > > > > laughter. I cannot see any " self " that has to be known! Where > is > > it? > > > > Behind my lungs above my stomach? There is life and the cart is > > > > rolling, thats it. For now. > > > > > > > > Greetings > > > > Stefan > > > > > > Hi Stefan, > > > > > > the Self is what is always there....present.....now..... > > > > > > life is rolling around....and around....Self > > > > > > always the lungs are breathing.....by this presence of Self...... > > > and the stomach is digesting.....by the presense of Self.... > > > > > > the day on which the lungs stop to breathe.....Self is > > > there....still....and forever.... > > > > > > but you are right.....absolutely no reason to stop > breathing..... > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > Marc, there is no self. > > ok, bigwaaba, if you want, there is no self > > then there is " bigwaaba " and " Marc " and " Stefan " and " wave27 " and... > and we all are dreaming to be ocean..... > > or....good idea.....let's all be " bigwaaba " > > Marc > yes, just an idea...to play with...and let go thank you precious one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33> wrote: >Hi Stefan, >the Self is what is always there....present.....now..... life is >rolling around....and around....Self always the lungs are >breathing.....by this presence of Self...... and the stomach is >digesting.....by the presense of Self.... the day on which the lungs >stop to breathe.....Self is there....still....and forever.... but you >are right.....absolutely no reason to stop breathing..... Hi Mark... have you seen the self? What colour does it have? A light blue with a shade of silver? Or a warm orange with a shade of gold? Can you feel it somehow? And where will it live... forever? Is there a place in... forever? And even if it manages to live after you stopped breathing: how will you know that it still lives when " you " are gone? Where I am is is. This is all. I feel no need to branch off anything from it. Not even a " self " . The branching is over now! Life is. This moment is alife. Why devide: " This is rolling around... That is always there " . What is bad about rolling around??? What if both is seen as one... Greetings Stefan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 You sound pretty enlightened, Marc. Are you already radiating ? Werner Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@o...> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > >Hi Stefan, > > > > > >you write: > > > " Either everything is meditation or nothing is meditation " > > > > > >so i hope for " you " ....that, indeed, everything is meditation.... > > >means, that you " see the false as the false " ....all the time > > >but then....why seeing " holy cows of the hypocrite " spiritual " > > >community. " ......and " who " exactly is seeing this...? > > >...if you " see the false as the false " .....means, if you know your > > >Self > > > > Hi Marc... > > > > seeing the false as the false simply means: seeing the false as the > > false. Since it is false it falls apart once seen. But the funny > thing > > is: it was never there! So I have to be more accurate in my speech: > > once it is seen the absurdity of looking at it is seen. Hence the > > laughter. I cannot see any " self " that has to be known! Where is it? > > Behind my lungs above my stomach? There is life and the cart is > > rolling, thats it. For now. > > > > Greetings > > Stefan > > Hi Stefan, > > the Self is what is always there....present.....now..... > > life is rolling around....and around....Self > > always the lungs are breathing.....by this presence of Self...... > and the stomach is digesting.....by the presense of Self.... > > the day on which the lungs stop to breathe.....Self is > there....still....and forever.... > > but you are right.....absolutely no reason to stop breathing..... > > Marc > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@o...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > >Hi Stefan, > >the Self is what is always there....present.....now..... life is > >rolling around....and around....Self always the lungs are > >breathing.....by this presence of Self...... and the stomach is > >digesting.....by the presense of Self.... the day on which the lungs > >stop to breathe.....Self is there....still....and forever.... but you > >are right.....absolutely no reason to stop breathing..... > > Hi Mark... have you seen the self? What colour does it have? A light > blue with a shade of silver? Or a warm orange with a shade of gold? > Can you feel it somehow? And where will it live... forever? Is there a > place in... forever? And even if it manages to live after you stopped > breathing: how will you know that it still lives when " you " are gone? > > Where I am is is. This is all. I feel no need to branch off anything > from it. Not even a " self " . The branching is over now! Life is. This > moment is alife. Why devide: " This is rolling around... That is always > there " . What is bad about rolling around??? What if both is seen as one... > > Greetings > Stefan Hi Stefan, yes....both are one.....after all let's continue to enjoy this oneness.... Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > Hi Werner, yes....i have 27 angels around....caring for me..... this give me soo nice feeling that i even think to start with some poetry soon.... Marc > You sound pretty enlightened, Marc. > > Are you already radiating ? > > Werner > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@o...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > > > >Hi Stefan, > > > > > > > >you write: > > > > " Either everything is meditation or nothing is meditation " > > > > > > > >so i hope for " you " ....that, indeed, everything is meditation.... > > > >means, that you " see the false as the false " ....all the time > > > >but then....why seeing " holy cows of the hypocrite " spiritual " > > > >community. " ......and " who " exactly is seeing this...? > > > >...if you " see the false as the false " .....means, if you know > your > > > >Self > > > > > > Hi Marc... > > > > > > seeing the false as the false simply means: seeing the false as > the > > > false. Since it is false it falls apart once seen. But the funny > > thing > > > is: it was never there! So I have to be more accurate in my > speech: > > > once it is seen the absurdity of looking at it is seen. Hence the > > > laughter. I cannot see any " self " that has to be known! Where is > it? > > > Behind my lungs above my stomach? There is life and the cart is > > > rolling, thats it. For now. > > > > > > Greetings > > > Stefan > > > > Hi Stefan, > > > > the Self is what is always there....present.....now..... > > > > life is rolling around....and around....Self > > > > always the lungs are breathing.....by this presence of Self...... > > and the stomach is digesting.....by the presense of Self.... > > > > the day on which the lungs stop to breathe.....Self is > > there....still....and forever.... > > > > but you are right.....absolutely no reason to stop breathing..... > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 Hmm Marc, I am getting really envious and greedy. Why not opening a shop and selling angels ? Werner Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > > > Hi Werner, > > yes....i have 27 angels around....caring for me..... > this give me soo nice feeling that i even think to start with some > poetry soon.... > > Marc > > > > You sound pretty enlightened, Marc. > > > > Are you already radiating ? > > > > Werner > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@o...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > > > > > >Hi Stefan, > > > > > > > > > >you write: > > > > > " Either everything is meditation or nothing is meditation " > > > > > > > > > >so i hope for " you " ....that, indeed, everything is > meditation.... > > > > >means, that you " see the false as the false " ....all the time > > > > >but then....why seeing " holy cows of the hypocrite " spiritual " > > > > >community. " ......and " who " exactly is seeing this...? > > > > >...if you " see the false as the false " .....means, if you know > > your > > > > >Self > > > > > > > > Hi Marc... > > > > > > > > seeing the false as the false simply means: seeing the false as > > the > > > > false. Since it is false it falls apart once seen. But the > funny > > > thing > > > > is: it was never there! So I have to be more accurate in my > > speech: > > > > once it is seen the absurdity of looking at it is seen. Hence > the > > > > laughter. I cannot see any " self " that has to be known! Where > is > > it? > > > > Behind my lungs above my stomach? There is life and the cart is > > > > rolling, thats it. For now. > > > > > > > > Greetings > > > > Stefan > > > > > > Hi Stefan, > > > > > > the Self is what is always there....present.....now..... > > > > > > life is rolling around....and around....Self > > > > > > always the lungs are breathing.....by this presence of Self...... > > > and the stomach is digesting.....by the presense of Self.... > > > > > > the day on which the lungs stop to breathe.....Self is > > > there....still....and forever.... > > > > > > but you are right.....absolutely no reason to stop > breathing..... > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver- 1069@h...> wrote: >>I just finished meditating. What a fruitless waste of time! I sat there for an hour and did nothing. Okay, well, sitting there quietly was doing something, I guess. But what was the point? I watched my thoughts come and go. Sometimes I would get lost in my thoughts and then I would realize it and go back to sitting quietly again without thinking. I would just sit there with mySelf in the sense of 'I am' and...and...WHAT??? I don't know! So what? So, I am. Big f**king deal! I know I am. >>So...was that the point? If it was, then I really don't think I missed it. How could I? If knowing I am is not the point of meditation, then what the hell else could it be? >> " Silver " (Frustrated.) Slowly... As the man learned to make love for long duration and the wife started loving it more and more... he also started doing it less frequently. His wife asked, why it is less frequent now? The man replied, it takes " too much " Time! Earlier, it used to get over in 10-15 minutes but, now it take more than an hour and half! A shocked wife asked, if thought you enjoyed it. I thought this is what you wanted all the while! If you find 'making love' taking too much of your time... 'what else' you want to 'save' your time for? What would you 'rather' do? What is ultimate pleasure for you? What is your idea of a " good " time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 Am looking for the day where I will be into sitting > down with nothing in my hands, Nothing grabbing in my > head, > Heart as light as the song of a canarie. > Meanwhile,I try to really pay attention to the > unessential, throught the day, > Drop it, and keep vigilant. > I think that is what will bring me to truly be able to > sit quietly > And watch clouds passing by > without feeling the fiery breath of toothless > dragons. > I sit quietly for about 15 minutes three times a day, > sometime read a little to get my willies settled and > sometimes, I really feel like pushing it a little > more become it feels GOOD. > Good night to you all, > > Patricia ~~~~~~~ Although I had been on a " spiritual path " for my entire adult life, at one point several years ago I came to realize that I wasn't living it 100%. I decided to start " being in my heart " (hard to define exactly what that meant to me a the time) throughout the day, and in particular any time I was interacting with another person. My intent was to " speak from my heart " at all times, if on the phone, writing emails, any contact with another person. After the first day it seemed I had succeeded in actually doing that perhaps for a few seconds. But each day it increased until after about two months it seemed to have become a steady way of responding and being. At four months there was a profound transformation of the heart, one of the deepest spiritual experiences of my life. Since then " being in my heart " is not something I choose to do, it is simply what is. It is actually impossible now to be otherwise (hard to explain). I am describing this matter of " being in the heart " as something very simple but also very grounding, a confronting of the present in a real, actual way. By the way, Patricia, are you aware of how forthright and direct you are about your challenges? You are very blessed in that. Meeting oneself head on is essential to meeing the Now fully and completely. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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