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I just finished meditating. What a fruitless waste of time! I sat

there for an hour and did nothing. Okay, well, sitting there quietly

was doing something, I guess. But what was the point? I watched my

thoughts come and go. Sometimes I would get lost in my thoughts and

then I would realize it and go back to sitting quietly again without

thinking. I would just sit there with mySelf in the sense of 'I am'

and...and...WHAT??? I don't know! So what? So, I am. Big f**king

deal! I know I am.

 

So...was that the point? If it was, then I really don't think I

missed it. How could I? If knowing I am is not the point of

meditation, then what the hell else could it be?

 

" Silver " (Frustrated.)

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Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-

1069@h...> wrote:

>

> I just finished meditating. What a fruitless waste of time! I sat

> there for an hour and did nothing. Okay, well, sitting there quietly

> was doing something, I guess. But what was the point? I watched my

> thoughts come and go. Sometimes I would get lost in my thoughts and

> then I would realize it and go back to sitting quietly again without

> thinking. I would just sit there with mySelf in the sense of 'I am'

> and...and...WHAT??? I don't know! So what? So, I am. Big f**king

> deal! I know I am.

>

> So...was that the point? If it was, then I really don't think I

> missed it. How could I? If knowing I am is not the point of

> meditation, then what the hell else could it be?

>

> " Silver " (Frustrated.)

 

meditation is to go behind body-mind-intellect sense.....

There....you are, indeed....pure mind and love.....you just are

no thoughts.....just awareness......

 

when this " meditation-awareness " is the awareness of your

being.....during the day.....then you are detached from endless ideas,

thoughts,projects,ambitions..... " coming and going " ....

 

meditation also transform your whole perception of....being.....

yes, sure.....everybody know that he/she Is......but nobody get

satisfaction with just " thinking " .... " to be "

 

try out a way....how to reduce this your thoughts.....

get peace.....however

 

Marc

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> I just finished meditating. What a fruitless waste of time! I sat

> there for an hour and did nothing. Okay, well, sitting there quietly

> was doing something, I guess. But what was the point? I watched my

> thoughts come and go. Sometimes I would get lost in my thoughts and

> then I would realize it and go back to sitting quietly again without

> thinking. I would just sit there with mySelf in the sense of 'I am'

> and...and...WHAT??? I don't know! So what? So, I am. Big f**king

> deal! I know I am.

>

> So...was that the point? If it was, then I really don't think I

> missed it. How could I? If knowing I am is not the point of

> meditation, then what the hell else could it be?

>

> " Silver " (Frustrated.)

>

......

 

Meditation seemed not to have a point to you.

 

And what *does* have a point to you?

 

Have you investigated the entire business

of an importance to " having a point " ?

 

Bill

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Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@g...>

wrote:

>

> > I just finished meditating. What a fruitless waste of time! I

sat

> > there for an hour and did nothing. Okay, well, sitting there

quietly

> > was doing something, I guess. But what was the point? I watched

my

> > thoughts come and go. Sometimes I would get lost in my thoughts

and

> > then I would realize it and go back to sitting quietly again

without

> > thinking. I would just sit there with mySelf in the sense of 'I

am'

> > and...and...WHAT??? I don't know! So what? So, I am. Big

f**king

> > deal! I know I am.

> >

> > So...was that the point? If it was, then I really don't think I

> > missed it. How could I? If knowing I am is not the point of

> > meditation, then what the hell else could it be?

> >

> > " Silver " (Frustrated.)

> >

> .....

>

> Meditation seemed not to have a point to you.

>

> And what *does* have a point to you?

>

> Have you investigated the entire business

> of an importance to " having a point " ?

>

> Bill

 

Assuming you investigated that question for yourself, how much

importance did you place on the investigation? Why was it important

to you?

 

" Silver "

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Hi Silver,

 

what a beautiful posting! I like it! You did not miss the point, you

nailed it exactly to the point! Dont be frustrated, you are about to

free yourself from one of the holy cows of the hypocrite " spiritual "

community. Either everything is meditation or nothing is meditation.

But reserving some minutes a day to sit silently lost in dumb struggle

has nothing to do with it. There is no point in it! And never was. It

has the same function as doing the confession in church. It soothes

the conscience. One " did " something at least. And is going to wait for

the reward. But the reward is never coming. It is called: life after

death in paradise, nirvana, enlightenment, super power or whatever.

All those things are inventions of the priests and business people to

keep the masses dumb.

 

Nisargadatta about meditation:

Q:What is the purpose of meditation?

M:Seeing the false as the false is meditation. This must go on all the

time.

 

So lets get loose, finally...

Stefan

 

 

Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 "

<silver-1069@h...> wrote:

>

>I just finished meditating. What a fruitless waste of time! I sat

>there for an hour and did nothing. Okay, well, sitting there quietly

>was doing something, I guess. But what was the point? I watched my

>thoughts come and go. Sometimes I would get lost in my thoughts and

>then I would realize it and go back to sitting quietly again without

>thinking. I would just sit there with mySelf in the sense of 'I am'

>and...and...WHAT??? I don't know! So what? So, I am. Big f**king

>deal! I know I am.

>

>So...was that the point? If it was, then I really don't think I

>missed it. How could I? If knowing I am is not the point of

>meditation, then what the hell else could it be?

>

> " Silver " (Frustrated.)

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Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote:

 

>Nice to see you again (((Stefan))).

>

>Love,

>Ana

 

you are the lotus flower

floating in brackish waters

 

but how comes that

the waters never touch your petals

 

and then in the morning you wear

dewdrops like precious pearls

 

but how comes that

your velvety skin doesn't get wet

 

:-)

Stefan

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> > >S: I just finished meditating. What a fruitless waste of time! I

> sat

> > > there for an hour and did nothing. Okay, well, sitting there

> quietly

> > > was doing something, I guess. But what was the point? I watched

> my

> > > thoughts come and go. Sometimes I would get lost in my thoughts

> and

> > > then I would realize it and go back to sitting quietly again

> without

> > > thinking. I would just sit there with mySelf in the sense of 'I

> am'

> > > and...and...WHAT??? I don't know! So what? So, I am. Big

> f**king

> > > deal! I know I am.

> > >

> > > So...was that the point? If it was, then I really don't think I

> > > missed it. How could I? If knowing I am is not the point of

> > > meditation, then what the hell else could it be?

> > >

> > > " Silver " (Frustrated.)

> > >

> > .....

> >

> > Meditation seemed not to have a point to you.

> >

> > And what *does* have a point to you?

> >

> > Have you investigated the entire business

> > of an importance to " having a point " ?

> >

> > Bill

>

> Assuming you investigated that question for yourself, how much

> importance did you place on the investigation? Why was it important

> to you?

>

> " Silver "

 

>>>>>>>>

 

The question applies to you, but not to me.

Why? Because it is you that effectively stated

that " having a point " is significant when you

said:

 

If knowing I am is not the point of meditation,

then what the hell else could it be?

 

I don't know what " having a point " means to you.

But since it is significant, apparently, to you,

I asked you what that actually means to you.

 

So now I ask you, *is* " having a point " signficant,

important to you? You don't have to tell me your

response. I just offer the question in relation

to your general question about the signficance of

meditation. If you find it irrelevant, move on.

 

Oh well, having said all that perhaps I could

give my reponse to the question:

 

The whole idea of " what's the point of this " seems

shallow, superficial. It's a left-brain take on

things. The left brain doesn't like us diving into

meditation, as meditation is a *very* right brained

thing, and the ole left-brain doesn't want to turn

over the reins. So when you start to meditate it

gets annoyed and asks, " What's the point of this

anyway? Can we move on? "

 

 

Bill

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I don`t mean to be discouraging, but it is a kind of

life that you jump in, or not. I don`t think I can go

halfway with that stuff. And what it brings is not

what you ever expect but it is solid and radical. It

is certainly not a<better way of life> the way I can

thing of it.

>>>>>

 

Any inquiry must be undertaken in complete earnestness.

Anything less is a masquerade.

 

 

Bill

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Am looking for the day where I will be into sitting

down with nothing in my hands, Nothing grabbing in my

head,

Heart as light as the song of a canarie.

Meanwhile,I try to really pay attention to the

unessential, throught the day,

Drop it, and keep vigilant.

I think that is what will bring me to truly be able to

sit quietly

And watch clouds passing by

without feeling the fiery breath of toothless

dragons.

I sit quietly for about 15 minutes three times a day,

sometime read a little to get my willies settled and

sometimes, I really feel like pushing it a little

more become it feels GOOD.

Good night to you all,

 

Patricia

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@o...>

wrote:

>

> Hi Silver,

>

> what a beautiful posting! I like it! You did not miss the point, you

> nailed it exactly to the point! Dont be frustrated, you are about to

> free yourself from one of the holy cows of the hypocrite " spiritual "

> community. Either everything is meditation or nothing is meditation.

> But reserving some minutes a day to sit silently lost in dumb

struggle

> has nothing to do with it. There is no point in it! And never was.

It

> has the same function as doing the confession in church. It soothes

> the conscience. One " did " something at least. And is going to wait

for

> the reward. But the reward is never coming. It is called: life after

> death in paradise, nirvana, enlightenment, super power or whatever.

> All those things are inventions of the priests and business people

to

> keep the masses dumb.

>

> Nisargadatta about meditation:

> Q:What is the purpose of meditation?

> M:Seeing the false as the false is meditation. This must go on all

the

> time.

>

> So lets get loose, finally...

> Stefan

>

>

Hi Stefan,

 

you write:

" Either everything is meditation or nothing is meditation "

 

so i hope for " you " ....that, indeed, everything is meditation....

 

means, that you " see the false as the false " ....all the time

 

but then....why seeing " holy cows of the hypocrite " spiritual "

community. " ......and " who " exactly is seeing this...?

 

.....if you " see the false as the false " .....means, if you know your

Self

 

Marc

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Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@g...>

wrote:

>

> > > >S: I just finished meditating. What a fruitless waste of

time! I

> > sat

> > > > there for an hour and did nothing. Okay, well, sitting there

> > quietly

> > > > was doing something, I guess. But what was the point? I

watched

> > my

> > > > thoughts come and go. Sometimes I would get lost in my

thoughts

> > and

> > > > then I would realize it and go back to sitting quietly again

> > without

> > > > thinking. I would just sit there with mySelf in the sense

of 'I

> > am'

> > > > and...and...WHAT??? I don't know! So what? So, I am. Big

> > f**king

> > > > deal! I know I am.

> > > >

> > > > So...was that the point? If it was, then I really don't

think I

> > > > missed it. How could I? If knowing I am is not the point of

> > > > meditation, then what the hell else could it be?

> > > >

> > > > " Silver " (Frustrated.)

> > > >

> > > .....

> > >

> > > Meditation seemed not to have a point to you.

> > >

> > > And what *does* have a point to you?

> > >

> > > Have you investigated the entire business

> > > of an importance to " having a point " ?

> > >

> > > Bill

> >

> > Assuming you investigated that question for yourself, how much

> > importance did you place on the investigation? Why was it

important

> > to you?

> >

> > " Silver "

>

> >>>>>>>>

>

> The question applies to you, but not to me.

> Why? Because it is you that effectively stated

> that " having a point " is significant when you

> said:

>

> If knowing I am is not the point of meditation,

> then what the hell else could it be?

 

*****You assume I made a statement of fact when I obviously only

meant to pose a question. The question mark at the end of the

sentence, it seems to me, makes for very good evidence of this.

Furthermore, my assumption was to think that I had effectively

communicated myself to you, which is not the case in this matter.

Somehow I miscommunicated myself to you to mean that I believe

that " having a point " is significant, which I don't. I don't have an

opinion. It was a question thrown out in confusion and frustration

after my mind snapped. I didn't expect someone to reply. But

thanks. :)

>

> I don't know what " having a point " means to you.

> But since it is significant, apparently, to you,

> I asked you what that actually means to you.

 

****Well, since we're on the topic anyway, what the heck. I'll give

you my opinion of what I think is significant about " having a point. "

What does it mean to me to " have a point? " Not just any point but a

significant one? Significance implies meaning. Having a meaningful

existence is the point. Do I have any meaning? I know that I AM but

what does that mean, if anything? And who's asking? Why even ask in

the first place? Do I need to know the answers to all of these

questions before I can realize? And realize what? What is there to

realize, eh?

>

> So now I ask you, *is* " having a point " signficant,

> important to you? You don't have to tell me your

> response. I just offer the question in relation

> to your general question about the signficance of

> meditation. If you find it irrelevant, move on.

 

****No, no. I won't move on. I don't see the irrelevancy of your

remarks at all. I only wish I could understand what you mean

by " having a point. "

>

> Oh well, having said all that perhaps I could

> give my reponse to the question:

>

> The whole idea of " what's the point of this " seems

> shallow, superficial. It's a left-brain take on

> things. The left brain doesn't like us diving into

> meditation, as meditation is a *very* right brained

> thing, and the ole left-brain doesn't want to turn

> over the reins. So when you start to meditate it

> gets annoyed and asks, " What's the point of this

> anyway? Can we move on? "

 

So the point to meditation is to let the left-brain relax while

allowing the right-brain to take the driver's seat for a while? What

do you mean? What's up with this belief of yours about the brain

being divided into two halves? Left-brain seems to strongly dislike

Right-brain in your conception of it. You concpetualize the

functioning of the brain as a two-sided electro-chemical bio-

reactionary movement between two dimensions of perception: left and

right. The world as seen through the eyes of THE LEFT BRAIN vs. THE

RIGHT BRAIN. Opposing energies. Yin and Yang. Male and Female.

Positive and Negative. These energies need not oppose one another.

They can be brought into harmony with the proper training but I'm no

Yoda. Lol. Sitting for hours in Meditation is not for me. It

doesn't take me There like - drumming does. Drumming, for me, is a

form of meditation, in a way. Sitting meditation's sole purpose, it

seems to me, is to give one that sense of inner-peace and to bring

oneself to that Awareness of Oneness crap. I get more out of

drumming for twenty-five minutes than I do out of sitting there

contemplating my navel for an hour! You talk about quieting the Left-

Brain so the Right-Brain can come to center-stage? There is nothing

like drumming to do the trick! It's TOTALLY Right-Brain. Plus it's

fun as all hell! Beats sitting there just doing nothing. It all

comes down to the same thing but at least with an all 'round

energetic meditation activity like drumming, you get more bang for

your buck. Either route gets one There eventually. In my opinion,

sitting meditation or drumming are both useless activities in

themselves. What matters is the motive of the meditator and the

drummer. What motivates the meditator to meditate and what motivates

the drummer to drum? Is it not love of self? Self-love is at the

root of any activity done for the purpose of satisfying a craving for

pleasure. Desire is a powerful enemy capable of destroying a whole

planet. Think not that it can't do you harm. It cannot destroy you

but it can hinder you from knowing Yourself as Who You are in

Reality. The mind's false dream of painting a real picture of the

world is just that: false. No activity in which the mind is

involved can take one out of mind. Any activity which quietens the

mind and gives one a sense of inner-peace is harmless but should it

be taken as a final solution to everything? When the motive to

meditate or drum comes from Self-Love, there could not be anything

wrong with those activities. Anything done from Love is valid.

However, there is always the perceived danger of never getting the

point, whatever that point was.

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33> wrote:

 

>Hi Stefan,

>

>you write:

> " Either everything is meditation or nothing is meditation "

>

>so i hope for " you " ....that, indeed, everything is meditation....

>means, that you " see the false as the false " ....all the time

>but then....why seeing " holy cows of the hypocrite " spiritual "

>community. " ......and " who " exactly is seeing this...?

>...if you " see the false as the false " .....means, if you know your

>Self

 

Hi Marc...

 

seeing the false as the false simply means: seeing the false as the

false. Since it is false it falls apart once seen. But the funny thing

is: it was never there! So I have to be more accurate in my speech:

once it is seen the absurdity of looking at it is seen. Hence the

laughter. I cannot see any " self " that has to be known! Where is it?

Behind my lungs above my stomach? There is life and the cart is

rolling, thats it. For now.

 

Greetings

Stefan

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Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@o...>

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33> wrote:

>

> >Hi Stefan,

> >

> >you write:

> > " Either everything is meditation or nothing is meditation "

> >

> >so i hope for " you " ....that, indeed, everything is meditation....

> >means, that you " see the false as the false " ....all the time

> >but then....why seeing " holy cows of the hypocrite " spiritual "

> >community. " ......and " who " exactly is seeing this...?

> >...if you " see the false as the false " .....means, if you know your

> >Self

>

> Hi Marc...

>

> seeing the false as the false simply means: seeing the false as the

> false. Since it is false it falls apart once seen. But the funny

thing

> is: it was never there! So I have to be more accurate in my speech:

> once it is seen the absurdity of looking at it is seen. Hence the

> laughter. I cannot see any " self " that has to be known! Where is it?

> Behind my lungs above my stomach? There is life and the cart is

> rolling, thats it. For now.

>

> Greetings

> Stefan

 

Hi Stefan,

 

the Self is what is always there....present.....now.....

 

life is rolling around....and around....Self

 

always the lungs are breathing.....by this presence of Self......

and the stomach is digesting.....by the presense of Self....

 

the day on which the lungs stop to breathe.....Self is

there....still....and forever....

 

but you are right.....absolutely no reason to stop breathing.....:)

 

Marc

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

>

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@o...>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > <dennis_travis33> wrote:

> >

> > >Hi Stefan,

> > >

> > >you write:

> > > " Either everything is meditation or nothing is meditation "

> > >

> > >so i hope for " you " ....that, indeed, everything is meditation....

> > >means, that you " see the false as the false " ....all the time

> > >but then....why seeing " holy cows of the hypocrite " spiritual "

> > >community. " ......and " who " exactly is seeing this...?

> > >...if you " see the false as the false " .....means, if you know

your

> > >Self

> >

> > Hi Marc...

> >

> > seeing the false as the false simply means: seeing the false as

the

> > false. Since it is false it falls apart once seen. But the funny

> thing

> > is: it was never there! So I have to be more accurate in my

speech:

> > once it is seen the absurdity of looking at it is seen. Hence the

> > laughter. I cannot see any " self " that has to be known! Where is

it?

> > Behind my lungs above my stomach? There is life and the cart is

> > rolling, thats it. For now.

> >

> > Greetings

> > Stefan

>

> Hi Stefan,

>

> the Self is what is always there....present.....now.....

>

> life is rolling around....and around....Self

>

> always the lungs are breathing.....by this presence of Self......

> and the stomach is digesting.....by the presense of Self....

>

> the day on which the lungs stop to breathe.....Self is

> there....still....and forever....

>

> but you are right.....absolutely no reason to stop breathing.....:)

>

> Marc

 

 

 

 

Marc, there is no self.

 

 

 

 

>

>

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Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@o...>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > <dennis_travis33> wrote:

> > >

> > > >Hi Stefan,

> > > >

> > > >you write:

> > > > " Either everything is meditation or nothing is meditation "

> > > >

> > > >so i hope for " you " ....that, indeed, everything is

meditation....

> > > >means, that you " see the false as the false " ....all the time

> > > >but then....why seeing " holy cows of the hypocrite " spiritual "

> > > >community. " ......and " who " exactly is seeing this...?

> > > >...if you " see the false as the false " .....means, if you know

> your

> > > >Self

> > >

> > > Hi Marc...

> > >

> > > seeing the false as the false simply means: seeing the false as

> the

> > > false. Since it is false it falls apart once seen. But the

funny

> > thing

> > > is: it was never there! So I have to be more accurate in my

> speech:

> > > once it is seen the absurdity of looking at it is seen. Hence

the

> > > laughter. I cannot see any " self " that has to be known! Where

is

> it?

> > > Behind my lungs above my stomach? There is life and the cart is

> > > rolling, thats it. For now.

> > >

> > > Greetings

> > > Stefan

> >

> > Hi Stefan,

> >

> > the Self is what is always there....present.....now.....

> >

> > life is rolling around....and around....Self

> >

> > always the lungs are breathing.....by this presence of Self......

> > and the stomach is digesting.....by the presense of Self....

> >

> > the day on which the lungs stop to breathe.....Self is

> > there....still....and forever....

> >

> > but you are right.....absolutely no reason to stop

breathing.....:)

> >

> > Marc

>

>

>

>

> Marc, there is no self.

 

ok, bigwaaba, if you want, there is no self

 

then there is " bigwaaba " and " Marc " and " Stefan " and " wave27 " and...

and we all are dreaming to be ocean.....

 

or....good idea.....let's all be " bigwaaba "

 

Marc

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba>

wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > <dennis_travis33> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan "

<s.petersilge@o...>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > <dennis_travis33> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >Hi Stefan,

> > > > >

> > > > >you write:

> > > > > " Either everything is meditation or nothing is meditation "

> > > > >

> > > > >so i hope for " you " ....that, indeed, everything is

> meditation....

> > > > >means, that you " see the false as the false " ....all the time

> > > > >but then....why seeing " holy cows of the

hypocrite " spiritual "

> > > > >community. " ......and " who " exactly is seeing this...?

> > > > >...if you " see the false as the false " .....means, if you

know

> > your

> > > > >Self

> > > >

> > > > Hi Marc...

> > > >

> > > > seeing the false as the false simply means: seeing the false

as

> > the

> > > > false. Since it is false it falls apart once seen. But the

> funny

> > > thing

> > > > is: it was never there! So I have to be more accurate in my

> > speech:

> > > > once it is seen the absurdity of looking at it is seen. Hence

> the

> > > > laughter. I cannot see any " self " that has to be known! Where

> is

> > it?

> > > > Behind my lungs above my stomach? There is life and the cart

is

> > > > rolling, thats it. For now.

> > > >

> > > > Greetings

> > > > Stefan

> > >

> > > Hi Stefan,

> > >

> > > the Self is what is always there....present.....now.....

> > >

> > > life is rolling around....and around....Self

> > >

> > > always the lungs are breathing.....by this presence of

Self......

> > > and the stomach is digesting.....by the presense of Self....

> > >

> > > the day on which the lungs stop to breathe.....Self is

> > > there....still....and forever....

> > >

> > > but you are right.....absolutely no reason to stop

> breathing.....:)

> > >

> > > Marc

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Marc, there is no self.

>

> ok, bigwaaba, if you want, there is no self

>

> then there is " bigwaaba " and " Marc " and " Stefan " and " wave27 " and...

> and we all are dreaming to be ocean.....

>

> or....good idea.....let's all be " bigwaaba "

>

> Marc

>

 

yes, just an idea...to play with...and let go

 

thank you precious one

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33> wrote:

 

>Hi Stefan,

>the Self is what is always there....present.....now..... life is

>rolling around....and around....Self always the lungs are

>breathing.....by this presence of Self...... and the stomach is

>digesting.....by the presense of Self.... the day on which the lungs

>stop to breathe.....Self is there....still....and forever.... but you

>are right.....absolutely no reason to stop breathing.....:)

 

Hi Mark... have you seen the self? What colour does it have? A light

blue with a shade of silver? Or a warm orange with a shade of gold?

Can you feel it somehow? And where will it live... forever? Is there a

place in... forever? And even if it manages to live after you stopped

breathing: how will you know that it still lives when " you " are gone?

 

Where I am is is. This is all. I feel no need to branch off anything

from it. Not even a " self " . The branching is over now! Life is. This

moment is alife. Why devide: " This is rolling around... That is always

there " . What is bad about rolling around??? What if both is seen as one...

 

Greetings

Stefan

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You sound pretty enlightened, Marc.

 

Are you already radiating ?

 

Werner

 

 

Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@o...>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > <dennis_travis33> wrote:

> >

> > >Hi Stefan,

> > >

> > >you write:

> > > " Either everything is meditation or nothing is meditation "

> > >

> > >so i hope for " you " ....that, indeed, everything is meditation....

> > >means, that you " see the false as the false " ....all the time

> > >but then....why seeing " holy cows of the hypocrite " spiritual "

> > >community. " ......and " who " exactly is seeing this...?

> > >...if you " see the false as the false " .....means, if you know

your

> > >Self

> >

> > Hi Marc...

> >

> > seeing the false as the false simply means: seeing the false as

the

> > false. Since it is false it falls apart once seen. But the funny

> thing

> > is: it was never there! So I have to be more accurate in my

speech:

> > once it is seen the absurdity of looking at it is seen. Hence the

> > laughter. I cannot see any " self " that has to be known! Where is

it?

> > Behind my lungs above my stomach? There is life and the cart is

> > rolling, thats it. For now.

> >

> > Greetings

> > Stefan

>

> Hi Stefan,

>

> the Self is what is always there....present.....now.....

>

> life is rolling around....and around....Self

>

> always the lungs are breathing.....by this presence of Self......

> and the stomach is digesting.....by the presense of Self....

>

> the day on which the lungs stop to breathe.....Self is

> there....still....and forever....

>

> but you are right.....absolutely no reason to stop breathing.....:)

>

> Marc

>

>

>

>

>

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Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@o...>

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33> wrote:

>

> >Hi Stefan,

> >the Self is what is always there....present.....now..... life is

> >rolling around....and around....Self always the lungs are

> >breathing.....by this presence of Self...... and the stomach is

> >digesting.....by the presense of Self.... the day on which the

lungs

> >stop to breathe.....Self is there....still....and forever.... but

you

> >are right.....absolutely no reason to stop breathing.....:)

>

> Hi Mark... have you seen the self? What colour does it have? A light

> blue with a shade of silver? Or a warm orange with a shade of gold?

> Can you feel it somehow? And where will it live... forever? Is

there a

> place in... forever? And even if it manages to live after you

stopped

> breathing: how will you know that it still lives when " you " are

gone?

>

> Where I am is is. This is all. I feel no need to branch off anything

> from it. Not even a " self " . The branching is over now! Life is. This

> moment is alife. Why devide: " This is rolling around... That is

always

> there " . What is bad about rolling around??? What if both is seen as

one...

>

> Greetings

> Stefan

 

Hi Stefan,

 

yes....both are one.....after all

 

let's continue to enjoy this oneness....

 

Marc

 

>

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Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...>

wrote:

>

 

Hi Werner,

 

yes....i have 27 angels around....caring for me.....

this give me soo nice feeling that i even think to start with some

poetry soon....

 

Marc

 

 

> You sound pretty enlightened, Marc.

>

> Are you already radiating ?

>

> Werner

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@o...>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > <dennis_travis33> wrote:

> > >

> > > >Hi Stefan,

> > > >

> > > >you write:

> > > > " Either everything is meditation or nothing is meditation "

> > > >

> > > >so i hope for " you " ....that, indeed, everything is

meditation....

> > > >means, that you " see the false as the false " ....all the time

> > > >but then....why seeing " holy cows of the hypocrite " spiritual "

> > > >community. " ......and " who " exactly is seeing this...?

> > > >...if you " see the false as the false " .....means, if you know

> your

> > > >Self

> > >

> > > Hi Marc...

> > >

> > > seeing the false as the false simply means: seeing the false as

> the

> > > false. Since it is false it falls apart once seen. But the

funny

> > thing

> > > is: it was never there! So I have to be more accurate in my

> speech:

> > > once it is seen the absurdity of looking at it is seen. Hence

the

> > > laughter. I cannot see any " self " that has to be known! Where

is

> it?

> > > Behind my lungs above my stomach? There is life and the cart is

> > > rolling, thats it. For now.

> > >

> > > Greetings

> > > Stefan

> >

> > Hi Stefan,

> >

> > the Self is what is always there....present.....now.....

> >

> > life is rolling around....and around....Self

> >

> > always the lungs are breathing.....by this presence of Self......

> > and the stomach is digesting.....by the presense of Self....

> >

> > the day on which the lungs stop to breathe.....Self is

> > there....still....and forever....

> >

> > but you are right.....absolutely no reason to stop

breathing.....:)

> >

> > Marc

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> >

>

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Hmm Marc,

 

I am getting really envious and greedy. Why not opening a shop and

selling angels ?

 

Werner

 

 

Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...>

> wrote:

> >

>

> Hi Werner,

>

> yes....i have 27 angels around....caring for me.....

> this give me soo nice feeling that i even think to start with some

> poetry soon....

>

> Marc

>

>

> > You sound pretty enlightened, Marc.

> >

> > Are you already radiating ?

> >

> > Werner

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > <dennis_travis33> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan "

<s.petersilge@o...>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > <dennis_travis33> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >Hi Stefan,

> > > > >

> > > > >you write:

> > > > > " Either everything is meditation or nothing is meditation "

> > > > >

> > > > >so i hope for " you " ....that, indeed, everything is

> meditation....

> > > > >means, that you " see the false as the false " ....all the time

> > > > >but then....why seeing " holy cows of the

hypocrite " spiritual "

> > > > >community. " ......and " who " exactly is seeing this...?

> > > > >...if you " see the false as the false " .....means, if you

know

> > your

> > > > >Self

> > > >

> > > > Hi Marc...

> > > >

> > > > seeing the false as the false simply means: seeing the false

as

> > the

> > > > false. Since it is false it falls apart once seen. But the

> funny

> > > thing

> > > > is: it was never there! So I have to be more accurate in my

> > speech:

> > > > once it is seen the absurdity of looking at it is seen. Hence

> the

> > > > laughter. I cannot see any " self " that has to be known! Where

> is

> > it?

> > > > Behind my lungs above my stomach? There is life and the cart

is

> > > > rolling, thats it. For now.

> > > >

> > > > Greetings

> > > > Stefan

> > >

> > > Hi Stefan,

> > >

> > > the Self is what is always there....present.....now.....

> > >

> > > life is rolling around....and around....Self

> > >

> > > always the lungs are breathing.....by this presence of

Self......

> > > and the stomach is digesting.....by the presense of Self....

> > >

> > > the day on which the lungs stop to breathe.....Self is

> > > there....still....and forever....

> > >

> > > but you are right.....absolutely no reason to stop

> breathing.....:)

> > >

> > > Marc

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-

1069@h...> wrote:

 

>>I just finished meditating. What a fruitless waste of time! I sat

there for an hour and did nothing. Okay, well, sitting there quietly

was doing something, I guess. But what was the point? I watched my

thoughts come and go. Sometimes I would get lost in my thoughts and

then I would realize it and go back to sitting quietly again without

thinking. I would just sit there with mySelf in the sense of 'I am'

and...and...WHAT??? I don't know! So what? So, I am. Big f**king

deal! I know I am.

 

>>So...was that the point? If it was, then I really don't think I

missed it. How could I? If knowing I am is not the point of

meditation, then what the hell else could it be?

 

>> " Silver " (Frustrated.)

 

 

 

 

 

Slowly...

 

As the man learned to make love for

long duration and the wife started

loving it more and more... he also

started doing it less frequently.

 

His wife asked, why it is less

frequent now?

 

The man replied, it takes " too much "

Time!

 

Earlier, it used to get over in 10-15

minutes but, now it take more than an

hour and half!

 

A shocked wife asked, if thought you

enjoyed it. I thought this is what you

wanted all the while!

 

If you find 'making love' taking too

much of your time... 'what else' you

want to 'save' your time for? What

would you 'rather' do? What is ultimate

pleasure for you? What is your idea of

a " good " time?

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Am looking for the day where I will be into sitting

> down with nothing in my hands, Nothing grabbing in my

> head,

> Heart as light as the song of a canarie.

> Meanwhile,I try to really pay attention to the

> unessential, throught the day,

> Drop it, and keep vigilant.

> I think that is what will bring me to truly be able to

> sit quietly

> And watch clouds passing by

> without feeling the fiery breath of toothless

> dragons.

> I sit quietly for about 15 minutes three times a day,

> sometime read a little to get my willies settled and

> sometimes, I really feel like pushing it a little

> more become it feels GOOD.

> Good night to you all,

>

> Patricia

~~~~~~~

 

Although I had been on a " spiritual path " for my

entire adult life, at one point several years ago

I came to realize that I wasn't living it 100%.

I decided to start " being in my heart " (hard to

define exactly what that meant to me a the time)

throughout the day, and in particular any time

I was interacting with another person. My intent

was to " speak from my heart " at all times, if on

the phone, writing emails, any contact with another

person.

 

After the first day it seemed I had succeeded in

actually doing that perhaps for a few seconds.

But each day it increased until after about two

months it seemed to have become a steady way of

responding and being. At four months there was

a profound transformation of the heart, one of

the deepest spiritual experiences of my life.

Since then " being in my heart " is not something

I choose to do, it is simply what is. It is

actually impossible now to be otherwise (hard to

explain).

 

I am describing this matter of " being in

the heart " as something very simple but

also very grounding, a confronting of

the present in a real, actual way.

 

By the way, Patricia, are you aware of how

forthright and direct you are about your

challenges? You are very blessed in that.

Meeting oneself head on is essential to

meeing the Now fully and completely.

 

Bill

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