Guest guest Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 On Jan 24, 2006, at 2:04 PM, Nisargadatta wrote: > > P: Want to talk? > > A: Pete, if you, after all this time do not understand me or my > postings and the nature of my poems, I have failed...miserably. P: Yes, I understand you, and that's why I wrote what I said below. And, yes, you have failed your poetry because their quantity makes then as distasteful to many as pigeon's droppings. And you don't want to hear that, or do anything about it because they are your escape hatch out of the pain of being Ana. Deal with pain, forget the hatch. If you judiciously manage the quantity, you will highlight the quality. > > A: The point of all spirituality is to get out of the dualist > " THINKING " and return to the point of living, which is to be ALIVE > in/as/of THIS magnificent, horrible, excruciating, blissfull, > compassionate, dispassionate, heaven-hell called living to the > equanimity of BEING. > > Most of us are so " heady " we have our heads up our a**** and have NO > idea of Who we really are...All spiritual dharma battle, IMHO, is to > break > down the headtrips we're on to get to a real communion heart to > heart, which first passes mind-to-mind in the nature of conversation. P: The above is the BS rational you give yourself to justify your daily poetic dumping. NNB > P: As a moderator of two other lists ( this one, is not one > of then, obviously, or you wouldn't be here) I could say > that it's not an issue of quality ( you do write some good > poems) it's an issue of quantity. It is an issue of a member > kidnapping a list for her own agenda, an agenda which is > clearly not the mission of the list, and by the quantity of her > postings making the list a vehicle of her self- promotion. > > If this list, or GR were lists dedicated to poetry there wouldn't > be any problem. But these lists are dedicated to the discussion > of very specific goals. In the case of this group, the teachings > of Niz. Poetry, mainly appeals to emotions, even when some > of your poems refer to advaita, they do so from an emotional > standpoint. To appeal to emotions was never Niz's approach, > so your poems are always off topic. One a day wouldn't be > bad, but your approach to poetry is carpet bombing. > > Then, there is the fact, that poetry is by nature a monologue, > and these lists aim is to foster dialogue. And you need dialogue > badly. You have many unresolved personal problems that > you try to sweep under the carpet of poetry and 'I am the > One'. One of this obvious problems is winter. If 'you' were > the One, what could there be wrong with winter? Why can > a poet, much less the One, feel joy in a gloomy winter day? > > The blue shadow of a tree > On the ice encrusted fence- > So bitter, the morning chill! > > Issa > > The desolation of winter; > Passing through a hamlet, > A dog barks. > > Shiki > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie4@e...> wrote: >P: Yes, I understand you, and that's why I wrote >what I said below. And, yes, you have failed >your poetry because their quantity makes then >as distasteful to many as pigeon's droppings. My dear Pete... people like us should be more careful with phrases like " I understand you " ... dont you think? And it is surely not logical to praise something but critique the quantity. Something else, deeper, personal is hidden behind your critique, and you know it :-) You have said in your other posting: P:To appeal to emotions was never Niz's approach... etc... I see you have made up your own, personal Nis. This is natural... what else can one do? To me Sri Nisargadatta, especially when he pointed to the unspeakable, was often very poetic and he used the emotional framework to convey what he had to convey. He was not a philosopher who can be discussed and proved wrong or right. He was not a religious leader who created rules and concepts that now have to be followed. He was rather like a hollow bamboo... when one listens rightly, there is a chance that something is heard playing on it. I am sure you have heard it. Here in this group, the problem of the chatterbox is obvious... with everybody here, lol!!! Here are people who seek something, who found something, who lost something, who try to find themselves, to find others... who wonder what they seek... who think they know... or know they think... some kill their time others kill their enemies... and still: sometimes... a bamboo flute... Everybody here is part of it. The occasional problems take care of themselves. Dont worry! And then suddenly this ol computer screen becomes a hollow bamboo. What is this?! ... It is me. And I can look again at the mountains... now covered with snow... and I see myself. And this is our work... the work of us bunch of chatterboxes! Everybody his own land... carrying his own mountains. And on every top the same eternal snow. I do not read every poem from Anna... it cannot be done!!! But whenever I come across one I feel so glad that I did... they spread something of that fragrance... of that sound... Thanks for reading... Stefan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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