Guest guest Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige> wrote: > > > --- dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33> a > écrit : > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " > <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > > > " The Untethered Mind > > > > The transformation of the world is brought about by > the > transformation > > of oneself, because the self is the product and a > part of the total > > process of human existence. To transform oneself, > self-knowledge is > > essential; without knowing what you are, there is no > basis for right > > thought, and without knowing yourself there cannot > be > transformation. > > One must know oneself as one is, not as one wishes > to be, which is > > merely an ideal and therefore fictitious, unreal; it > is only that > > which is that can be transformed, not that which you > wish to be. To > > know oneself as one is requires an extraordinary > alertness of mind, > > because what is is constantly undergoing > transformation, change; > and > > to follow it swiftly the mind must not be tethered > to any > particular > > dogma or belief, to any particular pattern of > action. If you would > > follow anything, it is no good being tethered. To > know yourself, > > there must be the awareness, the alertness of mind > in which there > is > > freedom from all beliefs, from all idealization, > because beliefs > and > > ideals only give you a color, perverting true > perception. If you > want > > to know what you are, you cannot imagine or have > belief in > something > > which you are not. If I am greedy, envious, violent, > merely having > an > > ideal of non-violence, of non-greed, is of little > value.... The > > understanding of what you are, whatever it be ugly > or beautiful, > > wicked or mischievous the understanding of what you > are, without > > distortion, is the beginning of virtue. Virtue is > essential, for it > > gives freedom. " > > > > J. Krishnamurti The Book of Life - January 24 > > > > thank you Werner for this words of truth > > even if some people don't want to know " who " they > are.....it can be > of nice information.....and concept....and food for > mind.... > giving a " brillant " moment of some little peace and > happiness.... > > but i think that Krishnamurti himSelf had some great > fun ....in using > himSelf.....writing beautiful words.....to himSelf > > > > Marc > > Dear Marc, > Your opinion of K. does pain me. He was my first > teacher and simply showed me how to bring great order > into my life, and bring my attention to its true > calling. I was 17 back then and moved to Ojai CA to > work at the Oak grove school. I was an avide learner > and I did gather a lot of pearls. Got bored by the > followers, they had lost their sense of humor, and > that killed it for me. But not him, he never lost his > intent nor sense of humor. > Maybe his message wasn`t transendental to you but he > helped inumerous numbers of poeple to step onto a > different path altogether. That has so much value.. > Kindly, > Patricia Hi Patricia, Krishnamurti indeed is a great teacher..... i read few of his teachings too.....and appreciated this beautiful words of his deep peacefully view of things......detached.... He wrote about to calm down the mind......and i think that this was kind of essentiel in his teaching...... to calm down the restless mind.......and " experience " the great benefit of it.....in all levels.... I know that he helped inumerous numbers of people....and that this has much value....... Sure, i believe that he " stepped out of mind " .....to write and talk so " freely and peacefully " ......this his words come from an empty space.....empty mind..... sorry for the pain that my words caused..... wish a good path and time Marc > > > > ** > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to > change your subscription, sign in with your ID > and go to Edit My Groups: > > /mygroups?edit=1 > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " > for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2006 Report Share Posted April 14, 2006 In a message dated 4/13/2006 6:55:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Nisargadatta writes: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:52:05 EDT epston krishnamurti & Unease. Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige wrote: > >started to read U G Krishnamurti. >Has anyone else read him here? >I got one of his book a lllong time ago, there was >something about him that made me really uneasy, my >intestines got in a knot yet I forced myself to read >him. Same reaction today. There is something I don`t >go with. And his portrait gives me the shivers. >Instincts are waving a red flag. >Yet, I like some of the stuff I read last night. >I am going to push it and then will try to understand >what bothers me so much about him. I rarely have such >reactions, very very rarely.. >Patricia > >Hi Patricia, i read something about U.G. let me know about it... well, you are not supposed to like what he says, or his face,mm?!? L.E: Basically, he is saying go away and figure it out for yourself and don't bother me, but since you are here, I will dominate the conversation for two hours. Larry Epston If you don't like him, Larry, perhaps he has something of value to offer. Hmmmm....I'll check him out. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2006 Report Share Posted April 14, 2006 In a message dated 4/13/2006 10:41:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ADHHUB writes: > > In a message dated 4/13/2006 6:55:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:52:05 EDT > epston > krishnamurti & Unease. > > > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige > wrote: > > > >started to read U G Krishnamurti. > >Has anyone else read him here? > >I got one of his book a lllong time ago, there was > >something about him that made me really uneasy, my > >intestines got in a knot yet I forced myself to read > >him. Same reaction today. There is something I don`t > >go with. And his portrait gives me the shivers. > >Instincts are waving a red flag. > >Yet, I like some of the stuff I read last night. > >I am going to push it and then will try to understand > >what bothers me so much about him. I rarely have such > >reactions, very very rarely.. > >Patricia > > > >Hi Patricia, > > i read something about U.G. > let me know about it... > well, you are not supposed to like what he says, or his face,mm?!? > > L.E: Basically, he is saying go away and figure it out for yourself and > don't > bother me, but since you are here, I will dominate the conversation for > two > > hours. > > Larry Epston > > > > If you don't like him, Larry, perhaps he has something of value to offer. > Hmmmm....I'll check him out. Thanks. > L.E: You do that Phil, and perhaps you will find something of value. After all, some people recycle manure and get methane out of it. If you haven't read Krishnamurti, I wonder whatother gaps you have in you spiritual education. For instance, have you read Guirjiff ans Ospensky? Or the zen writers, or about hare krishna? The moonies? Ect.? Larry Epston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2006 Report Share Posted April 14, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 4/13/2006 10:41:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > ADHHUB writes: > > > > > In a message dated 4/13/2006 6:55:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:52:05 EDT > > epston > > krishnamurti & Unease. > > > > > > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige@> > > wrote: > > > > > >started to read U G Krishnamurti. > > >Has anyone else read him here? > > >I got one of his book a lllong time ago, there was > > >something about him that made me really uneasy, my > > >intestines got in a knot yet I forced myself to read > > >him. Same reaction today. There is something I don`t > > >go with. And his portrait gives me the shivers. > > >Instincts are waving a red flag. > > >Yet, I like some of the stuff I read last night. > > >I am going to push it and then will try to understand > > >what bothers me so much about him. I rarely have such > > >reactions, very very rarely.. > > >Patricia > > > > > >Hi Patricia, > > > > i read something about U.G. > > let me know about it... > > well, you are not supposed to like what he says, or his face,mm?!? > > > > L.E: Basically, he is saying go away and figure it out for yourself and > > don't > > bother me, but since you are here, I will dominate the conversation for > > two > > > > hours. > > > > Larry Epston > > > > > > > > If you don't like him, Larry, perhaps he has something of value to offer. > > Hmmmm....I'll check him out. Thanks. > > > > L.E: You do that Phil, and perhaps you will find something of value. After > all, some people recycle manure and get methane out of it. If you haven't read > Krishnamurti, I wonder whatother gaps you have in you spiritual education. > For instance, have you read Guirjiff ans Ospensky? Or the zen writers, or > about hare krishna? The moonies? Ect.? > > Larry Epston item 1: " You do that Phil, and perhaps you will find something of value. After all, some people recycle manure and get methane out of it. " Larry..one more chance here for BIG BUCKS!...just recycle your words of wisdom kid! item2: " I wonder whatother gaps you have in you spiritual education. For instance, have you read Guirjiff ans Ospensky? " Here you may have something Larry. I've never read 'Guirjiff' nor Ospensky'. Are they on TV? Do they live in Detroit? Fill us in Larry. The library doesn't stock their stuff so maybe it's a secret transmission or something? Item 3: " ...The moonies? Ect.(a new age form of etc.?) OK Larry, you've let the cat out of the bag here. How long were you studying under these whizzes? Loads of Laughs Larry strikes again. Phil you get to have all the fun! ........bob > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2006 Report Share Posted April 14, 2006 In a message dated 4/14/2006 2:48:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Nisargadatta writes: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 05:05:54 EDT epston Re: krishnamurti In a message dated 4/13/2006 10:41:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ADHHUB writes: > > In a message dated 4/13/2006 6:55:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:52:05 EDT > epston > krishnamurti & Unease. > > > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige > wrote: > > > >started to read U G Krishnamurti. > >Has anyone else read him here? > >I got one of his book a lllong time ago, there was > >something about him that made me really uneasy, my > >intestines got in a knot yet I forced myself to read > >him. Same reaction today. There is something I don`t > >go with. And his portrait gives me the shivers. > >Instincts are waving a red flag. > >Yet, I like some of the stuff I read last night. > >I am going to push it and then will try to understand > >what bothers me so much about him. I rarely have such > >reactions, very very rarely.. > >Patricia > > > >Hi Patricia, > > i read something about U.G. > let me know about it... > well, you are not supposed to like what he says, or his face,mm?!? > > L.E: Basically, he is saying go away and figure it out for yourself and > don't > bother me, but since you are here, I will dominate the conversation for > two > > hours. > > Larry Epston > > > > If you don't like him, Larry, perhaps he has something of value to offer. > Hmmmm....I'll check him out. Thanks. > L.E: You do that Phil, and perhaps you will find something of value. After all, some people recycle manure and get methane out of it. If you haven't read Krishnamurti, I wonder whatother gaps you have in you spiritual education. For instance, have you read Guirjiff ans Ospensky? Or the zen writers, or about hare krishna? The moonies? Ect.? Larry Epston " Spiritual education " is a contradiction in terms. The only teacher is within. I pretty much stopped reading other people's ideas years ago and started unlearning. The only reason I'm developing an interest in U.G. is that, since you don't like him, perhaps the naked truth is what he's about, and that's of interest to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2006 Report Share Posted April 14, 2006 In a message dated 4/14/2006 11:49:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ADHHUB writes: > If you don't like him, Larry, perhaps he has something of value to offer. > > >Hmmmm....I'll check him out. Thanks. > > > > L.E: You do that Phil, and perhaps you will find something of value. After > > all, some people recycle manure and get methane out of it. If you haven't > read > Krishnamurti, I wonder whatother gaps you have in you spiritual education. > > For instance, have you read Guirjiff ans Ospensky? Or the zen writers, or > about hare krishna? The moonies? Ect.? > > Larry Epston > > > > " Spiritual education " is a contradiction in terms. The only teacher is > within. I pretty much stopped reading other people's ideas years ago and > started > unlearning. > > The only reason I'm developing an interest in U.G. is that, since you don't > > like him, perhaps the naked truth is what he's about, and that's of interest > > to me. > > L.E: Are you being funny Phil? Like if I say it's garbage, you are going to eat it to prove it isn't garbage? And that my not liking him is a motivation for you to read him? What's the sense of that? I asked you what you read, not if you were reading anything, but you didn't answer my question. So how much have you unlearned and what was it you learned and then had to unlearn? Perhaps you are correct, that verbally, " spiritual e ducation " is a contraction in terms, but in reality, or ordinary life, most people know what I am asking. What did you read long ago when you didn't know the only teacher is within. And remember, you as Phil are not the only one here, and the " within " of others may well connect and relate to my abd your " within. " There exist people outside of our body that may teach us something of value, even in the spiritual area. But perhaps that doesn't include you. Larry Epston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2006 Report Share Posted April 14, 2006 --- ADHHUB a écrit : In a message dated 4/14/2006 2:48:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Nisargadatta writes: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 05:05:54 EDT epston Re: krishnamurti In a message dated 4/13/2006 10:41:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ADHHUB writes: > > In a message dated 4/13/2006 6:55:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:52:05 EDT > epston > krishnamurti & Unease. > > > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige > wrote: > > > >started to read U G Krishnamurti. > >Has anyone else read him here? > >I got one of his book a lllong time ago, there was > >something about him that made me really uneasy, my > >intestines got in a knot yet I forced myself to read > >him. Same reaction today. There is something I don`t > >go with. And his portrait gives me the shivers. > >Instincts are waving a red flag. > >Yet, I like some of the stuff I read last night. > >I am going to push it and then will try to understand > >what bothers me so much about him. I rarely have such > >reactions, very very rarely.. > >Patricia > > > >Hi Patricia, > > i read something about U.G. > let me know about it... > well, you are not supposed to like what he says, or his face,mm?!? > > L.E: Basically, he is saying go away and figure it out for yourself and > don't > bother me, but since you are here, I will dominate the conversation for > two > > hours. > > Larry Epston > > > > If you don't like him, Larry, perhaps he has something of value to offer. > Hmmmm....I'll check him out. Thanks. > L.E: You do that Phil, and perhaps you will find something of value. After all, some people recycle manure and get methane out of it. If you haven't read Krishnamurti, I wonder whatother gaps you have in you spiritual education. For instance, have you read Guirjiff ans Ospensky? Or the zen writers, or about hare krishna? The moonies? Ect.? Larry Epston " Spiritual education " is a contradiction in terms. The only teacher is within. I pretty much stopped reading other people's ideas years ago and started unlearning. The only reason I'm developing an interest in U.G. is that, since you don't like him, perhaps the naked truth is what he's about, and that's of interest to me. ................................... Spiritual unlearning...that`s good Phil! P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 --- epston a écrit : In a message dated 4/14/2006 11:49:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ADHHUB writes: > If you don't like him, Larry, perhaps he has something of value to offer. > > >Hmmmm....I'll check him out. Thanks. > > > > L.E: You do that Phil, and perhaps you will find something of value. After > > all, some people recycle manure and get methane out of it. If you haven't > read > Krishnamurti, I wonder whatother gaps you have in you spiritual education. > > For instance, have you read Guirjiff ans Ospensky? Or the zen writers, or > about hare krishna? The moonies? Ect.? > > Larry Epston > > > > " Spiritual education " is a contradiction in terms. The only teacher is > within. I pretty much stopped reading other people's ideas years ago and > started > unlearning. > > The only reason I'm developing an interest in U.G. is that, since you don't > > like him, perhaps the naked truth is what he's about, and that's of interest > > to me. > > L.E: Are you being funny Phil? Like if I say it's garbage, you are going to eat it to prove it isn't garbage? LOL And that my not liking him is a motivation for you to read him? What's the sense of that? I asked you what you read, not if you were reading anything, but you didn't answer my question. So how much have you unlearned and what was it you learned and then had to unlearn? Perhaps you are correct, that verbally, " spiritual e ducation " is a contraction in terms, but in reality, or ordinary life, most people know what I am asking. What did you read long ago when you didn't know the only teacher is within. And remember, you as Phil are not the only one here, and the " within " of others may well connect and relate to my abd your " within. " There exist people outside of our body that may teach us something of value, even in the spiritual area. But perhaps that doesn't include you. Larry Epston Go for it Larry! good points there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 In a message dated 4/14/2006 9:33:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Nisargadatta writes: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 20:11:21 EDT epston Re: krishnamurti In a message dated 4/14/2006 11:49:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ADHHUB writes: > If you don't like him, Larry, perhaps he has something of value to offer. > > >Hmmmm....I'll check him out. Thanks. > > > > L.E: You do that Phil, and perhaps you will find something of value. After > > all, some people recycle manure and get methane out of it. If you haven't > read > Krishnamurti, I wonder whatother gaps you have in you spiritual education. > > For instance, have you read Guirjiff ans Ospensky? Or the zen writers, or > about hare krishna? The moonies? Ect.? > > Larry Epston > > > > " Spiritual education " is a contradiction in terms. The only teacher is > within. I pretty much stopped reading other people's ideas years ago and > started > unlearning. > > The only reason I'm developing an interest in U.G. is that, since you don't > > like him, perhaps the naked truth is what he's about, and that's of interest > > to me. > > L.E: Are you being funny Phil? Like if I say it's garbage, you are going to eat it to prove it isn't garbage? And that my not liking him is a motivation for you to read him? What's the sense of that? I asked you what you read, not if you were reading anything, but you didn't answer my question. So how much have you unlearned and what was it you learned and then had to unlearn? Perhaps you are correct, that verbally, " spiritual e ducation " is a contraction in terms, but in reality, or ordinary life, most people know what I am asking. What did you read long ago when you didn't know the only teacher is within. And remember, you as Phil are not the only one here, and the " within " of others may well connect and relate to my abd your " within. " There exist people outside of our body that may teach us something of value, even in the spiritual area. But perhaps that doesn't include you. Larry Epston No, it wasn't meant to be funny. I don't intend to insult, but I see a clear avoidance of truth when it comes to ego, and since you reject U.G., I suspected it may be because he doesn't allow for such avoidance. Since I seek truth/Truth, I'm interested in such teachings. From what little I read last night, it seems I may have guessed right about it. Maybe you misunderstood what I meant by " within " . It's realization/awareness that is found within. This is the only way evolution of consciousness occurs. Hearing words from anyone, no matter how true or appropriate, changes nothing unless the potential truth of it is looked for within. The reason I'm here is that I very much believe that the words of others as well as my own words in response to others, more often than not represent a current exploration of mine and can be very helpful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 In a message dated 4/14/2006 9:33:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Nisargadatta writes: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 03:17:25 +0200 (CEST) OConnor Patricia <gdtige Re: krishnamurti --- epston a écrit : In a message dated 4/14/2006 11:49:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ADHHUB writes: > If you don't like him, Larry, perhaps he has something of value to offer. > > >Hmmmm....I'll check him out. Thanks. > > > > L.E: You do that Phil, and perhaps you will find something of value. After > > all, some people recycle manure and get methane out of it. If you haven't > read > Krishnamurti, I wonder whatother gaps you have in you spiritual education. > > For instance, have you read Guirjiff ans Ospensky? Or the zen writers, or > about hare krishna? The moonies? Ect.? > > Larry Epston > > > > " Spiritual education " is a contradiction in terms. The only teacher is > within. I pretty much stopped reading other people's ideas years ago and > started > unlearning. > > The only reason I'm developing an interest in U.G. is that, since you don't > > like him, perhaps the naked truth is what he's about, and that's of interest > > to me. > > L.E: Are you being funny Phil? Like if I say it's garbage, you are going to eat it to prove it isn't garbage? LOL And that my not liking him is a motivation for you to read him? What's the sense of that? I asked you what you read, not if you were reading anything, but you didn't answer my question. So how much have you unlearned and what was it you learned and then had to unlearn? Perhaps you are correct, that verbally, " spiritual e ducation " is a contraction in terms, but in reality, or ordinary life, most people know what I am asking. What did you read long ago when you didn't know the only teacher is within. And remember, you as Phil are not the only one here, and the " within " of others may well connect and relate to my abd your " within. " There exist people outside of our body that may teach us something of value, even in the spiritual area. But perhaps that doesn't include you. Larry Epston Go for it Larry! good points there. Are you paying attention to the conversation, Patricia? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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