Guest guest Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " > <s.petersilge@o...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >Hi Stefan, > > > > > > > > > > > >you write: > > > > > > " Either everything is meditation or nothing is meditation " > > > > > > > > > > > >so i hope for " you " ....that, indeed, everything is > > meditation.... > > > > > >means, that you " see the false as the false " ....all the time > > > > > >but then....why seeing " holy cows of the > hypocrite " spiritual " > > > > > >community. " ......and " who " exactly is seeing this...? > > > > > >...if you " see the false as the false " .....means, if you > know > > > your > > > > > >Self > > > > > > > > > > Hi Marc... > > > > > > > > > > seeing the false as the false simply means: seeing the false > as > > > the > > > > > false. Since it is false it falls apart once seen. But the > > funny > > > > thing > > > > > is: it was never there! So I have to be more accurate in my > > > speech: > > > > > once it is seen the absurdity of looking at it is seen. Hence > > the > > > > > laughter. I cannot see any " self " that has to be known! Where > > is > > > it? > > > > > Behind my lungs above my stomach? There is life and the cart > is > > > > > rolling, thats it. For now. > > > > > > > > > > Greetings > > > > > Stefan > > > > > > > > Hi Stefan, > > > > > > > > the Self is what is always there....present.....now..... > > > > > > > > life is rolling around....and around....Self > > > > > > > > always the lungs are breathing.....by this presence of > Self...... > > > > and the stomach is digesting.....by the presense of Self.... > > > > > > > > the day on which the lungs stop to breathe.....Self is > > > > there....still....and forever.... > > > > > > > > but you are right.....absolutely no reason to stop > > breathing..... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc, there is no self. > > > > ok, bigwaaba, if you want, there is no self > > > > then there is " bigwaaba " and " Marc " and " Stefan " and " wave27 " and... > > and we all are dreaming to be ocean..... > > > > or....good idea.....let's all be " bigwaaba " > > > > Marc > > > > yes, just an idea...to play with...and let go > > thank you precious one maybe we should declare that whole life is a....waste of time?.... another idea to play with.... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 --- dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33 a écrit : Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " > <s.petersilge@o...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >Hi Stefan, > > > > > > > > > > > >you write: > > > > > > " Either everything is meditation or nothing is meditation " > > > > > > > > > > > >so i hope for " you " ....that, indeed, everything is > > meditation.... > > > > > >means, that you " see the false as the false " ....all the time > > > > > >but then....why seeing " holy cows of the > hypocrite " spiritual " > > > > > >community. " ......and " who " exactly is seeing this...? > > > > > >...if you " see the false as the false " .....means, if you > know > > > your > > > > > >Self > > > > > > > > > > Hi Marc... > > > > > > > > > > seeing the false as the false simply means: seeing the false > as > > > the > > > > > false. Since it is false it falls apart once seen. But the > > funny > > > > thing > > > > > is: it was never there! So I have to be more accurate in my > > > speech: > > > > > once it is seen the absurdity of looking at it is seen. Hence > > the > > > > > laughter. I cannot see any " self " that has to be known! Where > > is > > > it? > > > > > Behind my lungs above my stomach? There is life and the cart > is > > > > > rolling, thats it. For now. > > > > > > > > > > Greetings > > > > > Stefan > > > > > > > > Hi Stefan, > > > > > > > > the Self is what is always there....present.....now..... > > > > > > > > life is rolling around....and around....Self > > > > > > > > always the lungs are breathing.....by this presence of > Self...... > > > > and the stomach is digesting.....by the presense of Self.... > > > > > > > > the day on which the lungs stop to breathe.....Self is > > > > there....still....and forever.... > > > > > > > > but you are right.....absolutely no reason to stop > > breathing..... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc, there is no self. > > > > ok, bigwaaba, if you want, there is no self > > > > then there is " bigwaaba " and " Marc " and " Stefan " and " wave27 " and... > > and we all are dreaming to be ocean..... > > > > or....good idea.....let's all be " bigwaaba " > > > > Marc > > > > yes, just an idea...to play with...and let go > > thank you precious one maybe we should declare that whole life is a....waste of time?.... another idea to play with.... Marc >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trying to follow up the dialogue here. Maybe you guys are talking about the same thing but are using different terminologie ? Bill, can you explain a little more about how you call <presence> or <awareness> ? or do you say that it doesn`t exist? Does Mark call awareness, <self>? I really `d like to know? Patricia ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige> wrote: > > > --- dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33> a > écrit : > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " > <bigwaaba> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , > " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " > <bigwaaba> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " > > <s.petersilge@o...> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >Hi Stefan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > >you write: > > > > > > > " Either everything is meditation or nothing > is meditation " > > > > > > > > > > > > > >so i hope for " you " ....that, indeed, > everything is > > > meditation.... > > > > > > >means, that you " see the false as the > false " ....all the > time > > > > > > >but then....why seeing " holy cows of the > > hypocrite " spiritual " > > > > > > >community. " ......and " who " exactly is > seeing this...? > > > > > > >...if you " see the false as the > false " .....means, if you > > know > > > > your > > > > > > >Self > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Marc... > > > > > > > > > > > > seeing the false as the false simply means: > seeing the > false > > as > > > > the > > > > > > false. Since it is false it falls apart once > seen. But the > > > funny > > > > > thing > > > > > > is: it was never there! So I have to be more > accurate in my > > > > speech: > > > > > > once it is seen the absurdity of looking at > it is seen. > Hence > > > the > > > > > > laughter. I cannot see any " self " that has > to be known! > Where > > > is > > > > it? > > > > > > Behind my lungs above my stomach? There is > life and the > cart > > is > > > > > > rolling, thats it. For now. > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings > > > > > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > > Hi Stefan, > > > > > > > > > > the Self is what is always > there....present.....now..... > > > > > > > > > > life is rolling around....and around....Self > > > > > > > > > > always the lungs are breathing.....by this > presence of > > Self...... > > > > > and the stomach is digesting.....by the > presense of Self.... > > > > > > > > > > the day on which the lungs stop to > breathe.....Self is > > > > > there....still....and forever.... > > > > > > > > > > but you are right.....absolutely no reason to > stop > > > breathing..... > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc, there is no self. > > > > > > ok, bigwaaba, if you want, there is no self > > > > > > then there is " bigwaaba " and " Marc " and " Stefan " > and " wave27 " > and... > > > and we all are dreaming to be ocean..... > > > > > > or....good idea.....let's all be " bigwaaba " > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > yes, just an idea...to play with...and let go > > > > thank you precious one > > > maybe we should declare that whole life is a....waste > of time?.... > > another idea to play with.... > > Marc > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Trying to follow up the dialogue here. > Maybe you guys are talking about the same thing but > are using different terminologie ? > Bill, can you explain a little more about how you call > <presence> or <awareness> ? or do you say that it > doesn`t exist? > Does Mark call awareness, <self>? > I really `d like to know? > Patricia Hi Patricia, i believe that " Self " is infinite, changless, formless.....therefore this body-mind-intellect can't " be " the Self....because it " come and go " .....like thoughts do....and many other things.... to be aware of Self....is awareness.... indeed....i think that without " timeless " Self....and the awareness of It......means, without detachment to ego-mind related perception of a " world " ........ the time is waste.....however one spend it.....or however the concept is...... it would be the time of a mortal being......and so, not the path of a spiritual being Marc ** > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to > change your subscription, sign in with your ID > and go to Edit My Groups: > > /mygroups?edit=1 > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " > for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 - dennis_travis33 Nisargadatta Thursday, January 26, 2006 2:39 AM Re: Self: A Waste of Time? Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige> wrote: > > > --- dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33> a > écrit : > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " > <bigwaaba> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , > " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " > <bigwaaba> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " > > <s.petersilge@o...> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >Hi Stefan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > >you write: > > > > > > > " Either everything is meditation or nothing > is meditation " > > > > > > > > > > > > > >so i hope for " you " ....that, indeed, > everything is > > > meditation.... > > > > > > >means, that you " see the false as the > false " ....all the > time > > > > > > >but then....why seeing " holy cows of the > > hypocrite " spiritual " > > > > > > >community. " ......and " who " exactly is > seeing this...? > > > > > > >...if you " see the false as the > false " .....means, if you > > know > > > > your > > > > > > >Self > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Marc... > > > > > > > > > > > > seeing the false as the false simply means: > seeing the > false > > as > > > > the > > > > > > false. Since it is false it falls apart once > seen. But the > > > funny > > > > > thing > > > > > > is: it was never there! So I have to be more > accurate in my > > > > speech: > > > > > > once it is seen the absurdity of looking at > it is seen. > Hence > > > the > > > > > > laughter. I cannot see any " self " that has > to be known! > Where > > > is > > > > it? > > > > > > Behind my lungs above my stomach? There is > life and the > cart > > is > > > > > > rolling, thats it. For now. > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings > > > > > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > > Hi Stefan, > > > > > > > > > > the Self is what is always > there....present.....now..... > > > > > > > > > > life is rolling around....and around....Self > > > > > > > > > > always the lungs are breathing.....by this > presence of > > Self...... > > > > > and the stomach is digesting.....by the > presense of Self.... > > > > > > > > > > the day on which the lungs stop to > breathe.....Self is > > > > > there....still....and forever.... > > > > > > > > > > but you are right.....absolutely no reason to > stop > > > breathing..... > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc, there is no self. > > > > > > ok, bigwaaba, if you want, there is no self > > > > > > then there is " bigwaaba " and " Marc " and " Stefan " > and " wave27 " > and... > > > and we all are dreaming to be ocean..... > > > > > > or....good idea.....let's all be " bigwaaba " > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > yes, just an idea...to play with...and let go > > > > thank you precious one > > > maybe we should declare that whole life is a....waste > of time?.... > > another idea to play with.... > > Marc > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Trying to follow up the dialogue here. > Maybe you guys are talking about the same thing but > are using different terminologie ? > Bill, can you explain a little more about how you call > <presence> or <awareness> ? or do you say that it > doesn`t exist? > Does Mark call awareness, <self>? > I really `d like to know? > Patricia Hi Patricia, i believe that " Self " is infinite, changless, formless.....therefore this body-mind-intellect can't " be " the Self....because it " come and go " .....like thoughts do....and many other things.... to be aware of Self....is awareness.... indeed....i think that without " timeless " Self....and the awareness of It......means, without detachment to ego-mind related perception of a " world " ........ the time is waste.....however one spend it.....or however the concept is...... it would be the time of a mortal being......and so, not the path of a spiritual being Marc Hi Marc, There is ever only ONE spirit, that is the breath of Life. This breath animates every living thing. To see life in everything/everyone is Spirituality and is not devoid or separae from/of 'mortal being' but one and the same. Imho. Ana > > > > > > > ** > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to > change your subscription, sign in with your ID > and go to Edit My Groups: > > /mygroups?edit=1 > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " > for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > - > dennis_travis33 > Nisargadatta > Thursday, January 26, 2006 2:39 AM > Re: Self: A Waste of Time? > > > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige> > wrote: > > > > > > --- dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33> a > > écrit : > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " > > <bigwaaba> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > > " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " > > <bigwaaba> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > > " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " > > > <s.petersilge@o...> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > > " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Hi Stefan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >you write: > > > > > > > > " Either everything is meditation or nothing > > is meditation " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >so i hope for " you " ....that, indeed, > > everything is > > > > meditation.... > > > > > > > >means, that you " see the false as the > > false " ....all the > > time > > > > > > > >but then....why seeing " holy cows of the > > > hypocrite " spiritual " > > > > > > > >community. " ......and " who " exactly is > > seeing this...? > > > > > > > >...if you " see the false as the > > false " .....means, if you > > > know > > > > > your > > > > > > > >Self > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Marc... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seeing the false as the false simply means: > > seeing the > > false > > > as > > > > > the > > > > > > > false. Since it is false it falls apart once > > seen. But the > > > > funny > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > is: it was never there! So I have to be more > > accurate in my > > > > > speech: > > > > > > > once it is seen the absurdity of looking at > > it is seen. > > Hence > > > > the > > > > > > > laughter. I cannot see any " self " that has > > to be known! > > Where > > > > is > > > > > it? > > > > > > > Behind my lungs above my stomach? There is > > life and the > > cart > > > is > > > > > > > rolling, thats it. For now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings > > > > > > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Stefan, > > > > > > > > > > > > the Self is what is always > > there....present.....now..... > > > > > > > > > > > > life is rolling around....and around....Self > > > > > > > > > > > > always the lungs are breathing.....by this > > presence of > > > Self...... > > > > > > and the stomach is digesting.....by the > > presense of Self.... > > > > > > > > > > > > the day on which the lungs stop to > > breathe.....Self is > > > > > > there....still....and forever.... > > > > > > > > > > > > but you are right.....absolutely no reason to > > stop > > > > breathing..... > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc, there is no self. > > > > > > > > ok, bigwaaba, if you want, there is no self > > > > > > > > then there is " bigwaaba " and " Marc " and " Stefan " > > and " wave27 " > > and... > > > > and we all are dreaming to be ocean..... > > > > > > > > or....good idea.....let's all be " bigwaaba " > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > yes, just an idea...to play with...and let go > > > > > > thank you precious one > > > > > > maybe we should declare that whole life is a....waste > > of time?.... > > > > another idea to play with.... > > > > Marc > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Trying to follow up the dialogue here. > > Maybe you guys are talking about the same thing but > > are using different terminologie ? > > Bill, can you explain a little more about how you call > > <presence> or <awareness> ? or do you say that it > > doesn`t exist? > > Does Mark call awareness, <self>? > > I really `d like to know? > > Patricia > > Hi Patricia, > > i believe that " Self " is infinite, changless, formless.....therefore > this body-mind-intellect can't " be " the Self....because it " come and > go " .....like thoughts do....and many other things.... > > to be aware of Self....is awareness.... > > indeed....i think that without " timeless " Self....and the awareness > of It......means, without detachment to ego-mind related perception > of a " world " ........ > the time is waste.....however one spend it.....or however the concept > is...... > > it would be the time of a mortal being......and so, not the path of a > spiritual being > > Marc > > Hi Marc, > > There is ever only ONE spirit, that is the breath of Life. This breath animates every living thing. To see > life in everything/everyone is Spirituality and is not devoid or separae from/of 'mortal being' but one and the same. > Imho. > > Ana Hi Ana, i know this your perception.....of " One spirit " .....and i understand what you mean.....and feel.... i believe that this your " breath " mainly animates your " own " being.....your " own " perception of things...... To see the real Self in everything.....means, by awareness......this is what spirituality is...... means to " see " your real " Self " ....behind and in everything/everyone..... if you would " see " this Self.....then you would start to accept " others " ......and the views of " them " ...... and no more expect....that everyone has same view then yourself... all my words here are not to " convince " anybody.....and i don't expect that " somebody " agree....or don't agree with...... i write this words to the Self......which, i believe, is realy " inside/behind/everyone/everything " Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to > > change your subscription, sign in with your ID > > and go to Edit My Groups: > > > > /mygroups?edit=1 > > > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " > > for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 - dennis_travis33 Nisargadatta Thursday, January 26, 2006 3:09 AM Re: Self: A Waste of Time? Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > - > dennis_travis33 > Nisargadatta > Thursday, January 26, 2006 2:39 AM > Re: Self: A Waste of Time? > > > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige> > wrote: > > > > > > --- dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33> a > > écrit : > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " > > <bigwaaba> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > > " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " > > <bigwaaba> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > > " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " > > > <s.petersilge@o...> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > > " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Hi Stefan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >you write: > > > > > > > > " Either everything is meditation or nothing > > is meditation " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >so i hope for " you " ....that, indeed, > > everything is > > > > meditation.... > > > > > > > >means, that you " see the false as the > > false " ....all the > > time > > > > > > > >but then....why seeing " holy cows of the > > > hypocrite " spiritual " > > > > > > > >community. " ......and " who " exactly is > > seeing this...? > > > > > > > >...if you " see the false as the > > false " .....means, if you > > > know > > > > > your > > > > > > > >Self > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Marc... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seeing the false as the false simply means: > > seeing the > > false > > > as > > > > > the > > > > > > > false. Since it is false it falls apart once > > seen. But the > > > > funny > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > is: it was never there! So I have to be more > > accurate in my > > > > > speech: > > > > > > > once it is seen the absurdity of looking at > > it is seen. > > Hence > > > > the > > > > > > > laughter. I cannot see any " self " that has > > to be known! > > Where > > > > is > > > > > it? > > > > > > > Behind my lungs above my stomach? There is > > life and the > > cart > > > is > > > > > > > rolling, thats it. For now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings > > > > > > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Stefan, > > > > > > > > > > > > the Self is what is always > > there....present.....now..... > > > > > > > > > > > > life is rolling around....and around....Self > > > > > > > > > > > > always the lungs are breathing.....by this > > presence of > > > Self...... > > > > > > and the stomach is digesting.....by the > > presense of Self.... > > > > > > > > > > > > the day on which the lungs stop to > > breathe.....Self is > > > > > > there....still....and forever.... > > > > > > > > > > > > but you are right.....absolutely no reason to > > stop > > > > breathing..... > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc, there is no self. > > > > > > > > ok, bigwaaba, if you want, there is no self > > > > > > > > then there is " bigwaaba " and " Marc " and " Stefan " > > and " wave27 " > > and... > > > > and we all are dreaming to be ocean..... > > > > > > > > or....good idea.....let's all be " bigwaaba " > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > yes, just an idea...to play with...and let go > > > > > > thank you precious one > > > > > > maybe we should declare that whole life is a....waste > > of time?.... > > > > another idea to play with.... > > > > Marc > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Trying to follow up the dialogue here. > > Maybe you guys are talking about the same thing but > > are using different terminologie ? > > Bill, can you explain a little more about how you call > > <presence> or <awareness> ? or do you say that it > > doesn`t exist? > > Does Mark call awareness, <self>? > > I really `d like to know? > > Patricia > > Hi Patricia, > > i believe that " Self " is infinite, changless, formless.....therefore > this body-mind-intellect can't " be " the Self....because it " come and > go " .....like thoughts do....and many other things.... > > to be aware of Self....is awareness.... > > indeed....i think that without " timeless " Self....and the awareness > of It......means, without detachment to ego-mind related perception > of a " world " ........ > the time is waste.....however one spend it.....or however the concept > is...... > > it would be the time of a mortal being......and so, not the path of a > spiritual being > > Marc > > Hi Marc, > > There is ever only ONE spirit, that is the breath of Life. This breath animates every living thing. To see > life in everything/everyone is Spirituality and is not devoid or separae from/of 'mortal being' but one and the same. > Imho. > > Ana Hi Ana, i know this your perception.....of " One spirit " .....and i understand what you mean.....and feel.... i believe that this your " breath " mainly animates your " own " being.....your " own " perception of things...... To see the real Self in everything.....means, by awareness......this is what spirituality is...... means to " see " your real " Self " ....behind and in everything/everyone..... if you would " see " this Self.....then you would start to accept " others " ......and the views of " them " ...... and no more expect....that everyone has same view then yourself... all my words here are not to " convince " anybody.....and i don't expect that " somebody " agree....or don't agree with...... i write this words to the Self......which, i believe, is realy " inside/behind/everyone/everything " Marc Dearest Marc, Acceptance of others and the way it is is a given in my life, and all who post here, else we would not have peaceful, kind and honest dialogue with one another. Spirit is from the Latin and actually means Breath. Self is the both the Breath of Life and the essence from which it came, no-thing, the unborn unknown Buddha mind. This is for me the cross of duality. Love, Ana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to > > change your subscription, sign in with your ID > > and go to Edit My Groups: > > > > /mygroups?edit=1 > > > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " > > for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 Divine Message of His Holiness Shri Datta Swami Self-realisation is very easy because the Self is in every human being. There is no difficulty in search of Self, whereas there is lot of difficulty in search of Lord in human form (Brahma Jnana). There is no risk in the search of self because you are sure to reach the Self within your body; it is like searching money present in your house. But in the search of Lord in human form in this world, you may be misled and you are not sure that you can catch the human incarnation. Jealousy and egoism will not come in the way of reaching the self but these two are obstructions in the way of identifying the human incarnation. Ramanuja established the Brahma Jnana by introducing Lord Vishnu and Lord Krishna and Rama as His human incarnations. Ramanuja established devotion that is necessary for Nivrutti, whereas Sankara established justice in Pravrutti. After reaching the goal in Nivrutti the duty of devotee is to do service to the Lord without aspiring anything in return. Madhva established such service. Nivrutti means cutting all the worldly bonds and to have the strongest bond with the Lord. This is like getting cent per cent in the examination. Pravrutti is to reduce the extra strength of the worldly bonds so that justice is established in Pravrutti and thus the Lord is pleased. You are pleased with an outsider and you are pleased with your wife. There is difference in this. Same is the difference when the Lord is pleased with you in Pravrutti, when you follow the justice by reducing the extra strength of worldly bonds and when the Lord is pleased in Nivrutti when you cut all the worldly bonds for the sake of the Lord. However, everybody has equal possibility to reach Nivrutti though one in millions and in one birth out of millions of births can reach Nivrutti. Only one can get the gold medal in the class but every student can try since there is an equal possibility to achieve it. Therefore Nivrutti must be explained to all as goal. Let everybody try for Nivrutti so that at least he will succeed in Pravrutti. If everybody tries for gold medal by getting cent per cent, at least everybody will pass. If you teach Pravrutti only and keep it as goal, then everybody fails. If you keep 40 per cent pass mark as the goal, every student will fail. If you try to completely destroy the worldly bonds and try to have only one bond with the Lord, at least you will reduce the strength of worldly bonds and you have atleast a thin bond with the Lord. This is the pass mark. posted by: His servant at the lotus feet of shri datta swami www.universal-spirituality.org dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33 wrote: Hi Ana, i know this your perception.....of " One spirit " .....and i understand what you mean.....and feel.... i believe that this your " breath " mainly animates your " own " being.....your " own " perception of things...... To see the real Self in everything.....means, by awareness......this is what spirituality is...... means to " see " your real " Self " ....behind and in everything/everyone..... With a free 1 GB, there's more in store with Mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > - > dennis_travis33 > Nisargadatta > Thursday, January 26, 2006 3:09 AM > Re: Self: A Waste of Time? > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dennis_travis33 > > Nisargadatta > > Thursday, January 26, 2006 2:39 AM > > Re: Self: A Waste of Time? > > > > > > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia > <gdtige> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > --- dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33> a > > > écrit : > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " > > > <bigwaaba> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > > > " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " > > > <bigwaaba> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > > > " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " > > > > <s.petersilge@o...> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > > > " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Hi Stefan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >you write: > > > > > > > > > " Either everything is meditation or nothing > > > is meditation " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >so i hope for " you " ....that, indeed, > > > everything is > > > > > meditation.... > > > > > > > > >means, that you " see the false as the > > > false " ....all the > > > time > > > > > > > > >but then....why seeing " holy cows of the > > > > hypocrite " spiritual " > > > > > > > > >community. " ......and " who " exactly is > > > seeing this...? > > > > > > > > >...if you " see the false as the > > > false " .....means, if you > > > > know > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > >Self > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Marc... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seeing the false as the false simply means: > > > seeing the > > > false > > > > as > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > false. Since it is false it falls apart once > > > seen. But the > > > > > funny > > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > is: it was never there! So I have to be more > > > accurate in my > > > > > > speech: > > > > > > > > once it is seen the absurdity of looking at > > > it is seen. > > > Hence > > > > > the > > > > > > > > laughter. I cannot see any " self " that has > > > to be known! > > > Where > > > > > is > > > > > > it? > > > > > > > > Behind my lungs above my stomach? There is > > > life and the > > > cart > > > > is > > > > > > > > rolling, thats it. For now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings > > > > > > > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Stefan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Self is what is always > > > there....present.....now..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life is rolling around....and around....Self > > > > > > > > > > > > > > always the lungs are breathing.....by this > > > presence of > > > > Self...... > > > > > > > and the stomach is digesting.....by the > > > presense of Self.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the day on which the lungs stop to > > > breathe.....Self is > > > > > > > there....still....and forever.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but you are right.....absolutely no reason to > > > stop > > > > > breathing..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc, there is no self. > > > > > > > > > > ok, bigwaaba, if you want, there is no self > > > > > > > > > > then there is " bigwaaba " and " Marc " and " Stefan " > > > and " wave27 " > > > and... > > > > > and we all are dreaming to be ocean..... > > > > > > > > > > or....good idea.....let's all be " bigwaaba " > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes, just an idea...to play with...and let go > > > > > > > > thank you precious one > > > > > > > > > maybe we should declare that whole life is a....waste > > > of time?.... > > > > > > another idea to play with.... > > > > > > Marc > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Trying to follow up the dialogue here. > > > Maybe you guys are talking about the same thing but > > > are using different terminologie ? > > > Bill, can you explain a little more about how you call > > > <presence> or <awareness> ? or do you say that it > > > doesn`t exist? > > > Does Mark call awareness, <self>? > > > I really `d like to know? > > > Patricia > > > > Hi Patricia, > > > > i believe that " Self " is infinite, changless, > formless.....therefore > > this body-mind-intellect can't " be " the Self....because it " come > and > > go " .....like thoughts do....and many other things.... > > > > to be aware of Self....is awareness.... > > > > indeed....i think that without " timeless " Self....and the > awareness > > of It......means, without detachment to ego-mind related > perception > > of a " world " ........ > > the time is waste.....however one spend it.....or however the > concept > > is...... > > > > it would be the time of a mortal being......and so, not the path > of a > > spiritual being > > > > Marc > > > > Hi Marc, > > > > There is ever only ONE spirit, that is the breath of Life. This > breath animates every living thing. To see > > life in everything/everyone is Spirituality and is not devoid > or separae from/of 'mortal being' but one and the same. > > Imho. > > > > Ana > > Hi Ana, > > i know this your perception.....of " One spirit " .....and i understand > what you mean.....and feel.... > > i believe that this your " breath " mainly animates your " own " > being.....your " own " perception of things...... > > To see the real Self in everything.....means, by awareness......this > is what spirituality is...... > means to " see " your real " Self " ....behind and in > everything/everyone..... > > if you would " see " this Self.....then you would start to > accept " others " ......and the views of " them " ...... > > and no more expect....that everyone has same view then yourself... > > all my words here are not to " convince " anybody.....and i don't > expect that " somebody " agree....or don't agree with...... > > i write this words to the Self......which, i believe, is > realy " inside/behind/everyone/everything " > > Marc > > Dearest Marc, > > Acceptance of others and the way it is is a given in my life, and all who post here, else we > would not have peaceful, kind and honest dialogue with one another. Spirit is from the Latin and > actually means Breath. Self is the both the Breath of Life and the essence from which it came, > no-thing, the unborn unknown Buddha mind. This is for me the cross of duality. > > Love, > Ana > Hi Ana, i thought that you could enjoy....for a moment of time......this your described " One spirit " ...... " now " ...... but ok.... you have your own " view " of what is Self......maybe you share it with many others......but it look like a dualistic concept maybe Self is the essence of all....yes....but i don't believe that Self need to breathe....through " you " .....in order to " exist " .... and then you repeat again this your " the unborn unknown Buddha mind " .... what should be this unborn unknown Buddha mind?....(if you could explain one day....so that somebody here could understand) Self....(Atman)..... and then the unification with Brahman...... and then..... we all will understand the words of Bill.....who seem to know very well about.....the " now " .....the " inner peace " ...... " witnessing " Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to > > > change your subscription, sign in with your ID > > > and go to Edit My Groups: > > > > > > /mygroups?edit=1 > > > > > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " > > > for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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