Getting to the point ((Meditation: A Waste of Time?

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Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-

1069@h...> wrote:

>

> >

> > " S " : Yes, only the present moment, the everfreshness of Now, can

> have any real meaningful relevance. Now is all that exists, all

that

> I witness. And so, I conclude that without me, the witness of the

> present moment, nothing could exist, not even the present moment of

> Now. I have to be present before anything can be made to appear

> meaningful to my senses, including the Now. It is I who witnesses

> the present moment and it is I who gives it meaning. When I turn

my

> attention upon myself and witness the 'Who I Am', it is because I

> have appeared meaningful to myself. I only give myself meaning

> because I love myself. If it weren't for Self-love, I wouldn't

have

> the capacity to give myself any meaningful relevance. So, thank

God

> for Self-love! And when I look at the world I see it with the eyes

> of love because it is myself. Everything is myself and so I love

> everything! Love gives meaning to my existence and is the ground

of

> my being.

>

>

Hi Silver,

 

this your words is a nice piece of freedom and love.....

 

now, that you love yourself....means everything in this world.....

 

you will maybe also have the " experience " ....that the

world " dissolve " .....or like " dissappearing " ......just like it

dissolve completely in deep sleep.....

 

but....with awareness......

 

to be home

 

Marc

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s_i_l_v_e_r1069

Nisargadatta

Thursday, January 26, 2006 4:56 AM

Getting to the point ((Re: Meditation: A Waste of

Time?

 

 

" B " : So you connect " having a point " with being meaningful...

Hence a rephrasing of the " having a point " discussion

could be, what is meaning, what is it to be meaningful?

What makes life meaningful?

 

" S " : Sure. Sounds good to me. Meaningfulness in itself means

nothing. It's a word we use to describe a state of mind. When the

mind gives a meaning to anything it is superimposing over Reality a

dark film through which we have difficulty seeing.

 

" B " : I suggest that is a better course of investigation than

the notion of " what is it to realize? " . " To realize " is

just an idea, really, and not a particularly important

one. Things must start " at home " , with oneself to be

real.

 

" S " : Yes, I agree with you. But what do you mean by 'with oneself

to be real'?

 

" B " : So what is it for the moment to be meaningful for you? It

certainly must be looked at from the perspective of the moment, of

now, to be really meaningful, would you agree?

 

" S " : Yes, only the present moment, the everfreshness of Now, can

have any real meaningful relevance. Now is all that exists, all that

I witness. And so, I conclude that without me, the witness of the

present moment, nothing could exist, not even the present moment of

Now. I have to be present before anything can be made to appear

meaningful to my senses, including the Now. It is I who witnesses

the present moment and it is I who gives it meaning. When I turn my

attention upon myself and witness the 'Who I Am', it is because I

have appeared meaningful to myself. I only give myself meaning

because I love myself. If it weren't for Self-love, I wouldn't have

the capacity to give myself any meaningful relevance. So, thank God

for Self-love! And when I look at the world I see it with the eyes

of love because it is myself. Everything is myself and so I love

everything! Love gives meaning to my existence and is the ground of

my being.

 

" B " : Have we moved past the " having a point " business by

now?

 

" S " : Yes, I believe so, lol.

 

" B " : True meditation, in my veiw, entails a vivid, acute

witnessing of " opposing energies " when they arise.

 

" S " : Yes. Exactly. Good... er...point.

 

 

Good morning

er... b and s ;-)

 

 

synergy:

 

I am attachment to all things

 

transitory in nature I live for

 

these moments I dream of

 

days and nights forgotten

 

 

 

I am the nature of attachment

 

I am the longing of desire to

 

find an object to complete my

 

Circle, to define the arc of creation

 

 

 

I am the creative element of attachment

 

to all things considered I walk a thin

 

red line between destruction and folly,

 

between the cessation of beginnings and endings

 

 

 

I am significance and the perchance meeting

 

myself in Soul, a distant mirror, emptied

 

and readied to become desire for the Soulful, now

 

a walk in Silence, unattached and made ready.

 

 

 

I am Spirit.

 

 

 

sorry it's the only way I can speak well, in poetry,

 

Love,

 

Ana

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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