Getting to the point ((Meditation: A Waste of Time?

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Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote:

>

>

> -

> s_i_l_v_e_r1069

> Nisargadatta

> Thursday, January 26, 2006 4:56 AM

> Getting to the point ((Re: Meditation: A

Waste of Time?

>

>

> " B " : So you connect " having a point " with being meaningful...

> Hence a rephrasing of the " having a point " discussion

> could be, what is meaning, what is it to be meaningful?

> What makes life meaningful?

>

> " S " : Sure. Sounds good to me. Meaningfulness in itself means

> nothing. It's a word we use to describe a state of mind. When the

> mind gives a meaning to anything it is superimposing over Reality a

> dark film through which we have difficulty seeing.

>

> " B " : I suggest that is a better course of investigation than

> the notion of " what is it to realize? " . " To realize " is

> just an idea, really, and not a particularly important

> one. Things must start " at home " , with oneself to be

> real.

>

> " S " : Yes, I agree with you. But what do you mean by 'with oneself

> to be real'?

>

> " B " : So what is it for the moment to be meaningful for you? It

> certainly must be looked at from the perspective of the moment, of

> now, to be really meaningful, would you agree?

>

> " S " : Yes, only the present moment, the everfreshness of Now, can

> have any real meaningful relevance. Now is all that exists, all that

> I witness. And so, I conclude that without me, the witness of the

> present moment, nothing could exist, not even the present moment of

> Now. I have to be present before anything can be made to appear

> meaningful to my senses, including the Now. It is I who witnesses

> the present moment and it is I who gives it meaning. When I turn my

> attention upon myself and witness the 'Who I Am', it is because I

> have appeared meaningful to myself. I only give myself meaning

> because I love myself. If it weren't for Self-love, I wouldn't have

> the capacity to give myself any meaningful relevance. So, thank God

> for Self-love! And when I look at the world I see it with the eyes

> of love because it is myself. Everything is myself and so I love

> everything! Love gives meaning to my existence and is the ground of

> my being.

>

> " B " : Have we moved past the " having a point " business by

> now?

>

> " S " : Yes, I believe so, lol.

>

> " B " : True meditation, in my veiw, entails a vivid, acute

> witnessing of " opposing energies " when they arise.

>

> " S " : Yes. Exactly. Good... er...point.

>

>

> Good morning

> er... b and s ;-)

>

>

> synergy:

>

> I am attachment to all things

>

> transitory in nature I live for

>

> these moments I dream of

>

> days and nights forgotten

>

>

>

> I am the nature of attachment

>

> I am the longing of desire to

>

> find an object to complete my

>

> Circle, to define the arc of creation

>

>

>

> I am the creative element of attachment

>

> to all things considered I walk a thin

>

> red line between destruction and folly,

>

> between the cessation of beginnings and endings

>

>

>

> I am significance and the perchance meeting

>

> myself in Soul, a distant mirror, emptied

>

> and readied to become desire for the Soulful, now

>

> a walk in Silence, unattached and made ready.

>

>

>

> I am Spirit.

>

>

>

> sorry it's the only way I can speak well, in poetry,

 

Don't tell me you have a complex about speaking in

poetry! Who did that to you? Was it Pete?

 

Well, whoever it was, don't pay no mind to any such

nonsense.

 

Afterall, poetry is the language of the Soul, is it not?

 

Well, and of Spirit too, I suppose

 

And what you have written here is fascinating.

I love the way you express an embrace of so

many nondual " bads " , like desire, attachement

and the like.

 

That's the way it is, isn't it? Delicately

balanced. A high-wire tension. No room for

error, and yet such nonchalance!

 

 

Bill

 

 

 

> Love,

>

> Ana

[Guest guest]

-

billrishel

Nisargadatta

Thursday, January 26, 2006 3:10 PM

Getting to the point ((Re: Meditation: A Waste of

Time?

 

 

Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote:

>

>

> -

> s_i_l_v_e_r1069

> Nisargadatta

> Thursday, January 26, 2006 4:56 AM

> Getting to the point ((Re: Meditation: A

Waste of Time?

>

>

> " B " : So you connect " having a point " with being meaningful...

> Hence a rephrasing of the " having a point " discussion

> could be, what is meaning, what is it to be meaningful?

> What makes life meaningful?

>

> " S " : Sure. Sounds good to me. Meaningfulness in itself means

> nothing. It's a word we use to describe a state of mind. When the

> mind gives a meaning to anything it is superimposing over Reality a

> dark film through which we have difficulty seeing.

>

> " B " : I suggest that is a better course of investigation than

> the notion of " what is it to realize? " . " To realize " is

> just an idea, really, and not a particularly important

> one. Things must start " at home " , with oneself to be

> real.

>

> " S " : Yes, I agree with you. But what do you mean by 'with oneself

> to be real'?

>

> " B " : So what is it for the moment to be meaningful for you? It

> certainly must be looked at from the perspective of the moment, of

> now, to be really meaningful, would you agree?

>

> " S " : Yes, only the present moment, the everfreshness of Now, can

> have any real meaningful relevance. Now is all that exists, all that

> I witness. And so, I conclude that without me, the witness of the

> present moment, nothing could exist, not even the present moment of

> Now. I have to be present before anything can be made to appear

> meaningful to my senses, including the Now. It is I who witnesses

> the present moment and it is I who gives it meaning. When I turn my

> attention upon myself and witness the 'Who I Am', it is because I

> have appeared meaningful to myself. I only give myself meaning

> because I love myself. If it weren't for Self-love, I wouldn't have

> the capacity to give myself any meaningful relevance. So, thank God

> for Self-love! And when I look at the world I see it with the eyes

> of love because it is myself. Everything is myself and so I love

> everything! Love gives meaning to my existence and is the ground of

> my being.

>

> " B " : Have we moved past the " having a point " business by

> now?

>

> " S " : Yes, I believe so, lol.

>

> " B " : True meditation, in my veiw, entails a vivid, acute

> witnessing of " opposing energies " when they arise.

>

> " S " : Yes. Exactly. Good... er...point.

>

>

> Good morning

> er... b and s ;-)

>

>

> synergy:

>

> I am attachment to all things

>

> transitory in nature I live for

>

> these moments I dream of

>

> days and nights forgotten

>

>

>

> I am the nature of attachment

>

> I am the longing of desire to

>

> find an object to complete my

>

> Circle, to define the arc of creation

>

>

>

> I am the creative element of attachment

>

> to all things considered I walk a thin

>

> red line between destruction and folly,

>

> between the cessation of beginnings and endings

>

>

>

> I am significance and the perchance meeting

>

> myself in Soul, a distant mirror, emptied

>

> and readied to become desire for the Soulful, now

>

> a walk in Silence, unattached and made ready.

>

>

>

> I am Spirit.

>

>

>

> sorry it's the only way I can speak well, in poetry,

 

Don't tell me you have a complex about speaking in

poetry! Who did that to you? Was it Pete?

 

Well, whoever it was, don't pay no mind to any such

nonsense.

 

Afterall, poetry is the language of the Soul, is it not?

 

Well, and of Spirit too, I suppose

 

And what you have written here is fascinating.

I love the way you express an embrace of so

many nondual " bads " , like desire, attachement

and the like.

 

That's the way it is, isn't it? Delicately

balanced. A high-wire tension. No room for

error, and yet such nonchalance!

 

 

Bill

 

 

Heads up, mirrors up!!!

 

Ana

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> Love,

>

> Ana

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz "

<nli10u@c...> wrote:

>

>

> -

> s_i_l_v_e_r1069

> Nisargadatta

> Thursday, January 26, 2006 4:56 AM

> Getting to the point ((Re:

Meditation: A

Waste of Time?

>

>

> " B " : So you connect " having a point " with being

meaningful...

> Hence a rephrasing of the " having a point "

discussion

> could be, what is meaning, what is it to be

meaningful?

> What makes life meaningful?

>

> " S " : Sure. Sounds good to me. Meaningfulness in

itself means

> nothing. It's a word we use to describe a state

of mind. When the

> mind gives a meaning to anything it is

superimposing over Reality a

> dark film through which we have difficulty seeing.

>

> " B " : I suggest that is a better course of

investigation than

> the notion of " what is it to realize? " . " To

realize " is

> just an idea, really, and not a particularly

important

> one. Things must start " at home " , with oneself to

be

> real.

>

> " S " : Yes, I agree with you. But what do you mean

by 'with oneself

> to be real'?

>

> " B " : So what is it for the moment to be

meaningful for you? It

> certainly must be looked at from the perspective

of the moment, of

> now, to be really meaningful, would you agree?

>

> " S " : Yes, only the present moment, the

everfreshness of Now, can

> have any real meaningful relevance. Now is all

that exists, all that

> I witness. And so, I conclude that without me,

the witness of the

> present moment, nothing could exist, not even the

present moment of

> Now. I have to be present before anything can be

made to appear

> meaningful to my senses, including the Now. It is

I who witnesses

> the present moment and it is I who gives it

meaning. When I turn my

> attention upon myself and witness the 'Who I Am',

it is because I

> have appeared meaningful to myself. I only give

myself meaning

> because I love myself. If it weren't for

Self-love, I wouldn't have

> the capacity to give myself any meaningful

relevance. So, thank God

> for Self-love! And when I look at the world I see

it with the eyes

> of love because it is myself. Everything is

myself and so I love

> everything! Love gives meaning to my existence

and is the ground of

> my being.

>

> " B " : Have we moved past the " having a point "

business by

> now?

>

> " S " : Yes, I believe so, lol.

>

> " B " : True meditation, in my veiw, entails a

vivid, acute

> witnessing of " opposing energies " when they arise.

>

> " S " : Yes. Exactly. Good... er...point.

>

>

> Good morning

> er... b and s ;-)

>

>

> synergy:

>

> I am attachment to all things

>

> transitory in nature I live for

>

> these moments I dream of

>

> days and nights forgotten

>

>

>

> I am the nature of attachment

>

> I am the longing of desire to

>

> find an object to complete my

>

> Circle, to define the arc of creation

>

>

>

> I am the creative element of attachment

>

> to all things considered I walk a thin

>

> red line between destruction and folly,

>

> between the cessation of beginnings and endings

>

>

>

> I am significance and the perchance meeting

>

> myself in Soul, a distant mirror, emptied

>

> and readied to become desire for the Soulful, now

>

> a walk in Silence, unattached and made ready.

>

>

>

> I am Spirit.

>

>

>

> sorry it's the only way I can speak well, in

poetry,

 

Don't tell me you have a complex about speaking in

poetry! Who did that to you? Was it Pete?

 

Well, whoever it was, don't pay no mind to any such

nonsense.

 

Afterall, poetry is the language of the Soul, is it

not?

 

Well, and of Spirit too, I suppose

 

And what you have written here is fascinating.

I love the way you express an embrace of so

many nondual " bads " , like desire, attachement

and the like.

 

That's the way it is, isn't it? Delicately

balanced. A high-wire tension. No room for

error, and yet such nonchalance!

 

 

Bill

 

 

 

> Love,

>

> Ana

 

I remember wishing one day: If there was only one

thing I could keep in this world, It would be the

capacitie to love it.

 

Patricia

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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OConnor Patricia

Nisargadatta

Thursday, January 26, 2006 7:08 PM

RE: Getting to the point ((Re: Meditation: A Waste of

Time?

 

 

 

--- billrishel <illusyn a écrit :

 

 

Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz "

<nli10u@c...> wrote:

>

>

> -

> s_i_l_v_e_r1069

> Nisargadatta

> Thursday, January 26, 2006 4:56 AM

> Getting to the point ((Re:

Meditation: A

Waste of Time?

>

>

> " B " : So you connect " having a point " with being

meaningful...

> Hence a rephrasing of the " having a point "

discussion

> could be, what is meaning, what is it to be

meaningful?

> What makes life meaningful?

>

> " S " : Sure. Sounds good to me. Meaningfulness in

itself means

> nothing. It's a word we use to describe a state

of mind. When the

> mind gives a meaning to anything it is

superimposing over Reality a

> dark film through which we have difficulty seeing.

>

> " B " : I suggest that is a better course of

investigation than

> the notion of " what is it to realize? " . " To

realize " is

> just an idea, really, and not a particularly

important

> one. Things must start " at home " , with oneself to

be

> real.

>

> " S " : Yes, I agree with you. But what do you mean

by 'with oneself

> to be real'?

>

> " B " : So what is it for the moment to be

meaningful for you? It

> certainly must be looked at from the perspective

of the moment, of

> now, to be really meaningful, would you agree?

>

> " S " : Yes, only the present moment, the

everfreshness of Now, can

> have any real meaningful relevance. Now is all

that exists, all that

> I witness. And so, I conclude that without me,

the witness of the

> present moment, nothing could exist, not even the

present moment of

> Now. I have to be present before anything can be

made to appear

> meaningful to my senses, including the Now. It is

I who witnesses

> the present moment and it is I who gives it

meaning. When I turn my

> attention upon myself and witness the 'Who I Am',

it is because I

> have appeared meaningful to myself. I only give

myself meaning

> because I love myself. If it weren't for

Self-love, I wouldn't have

> the capacity to give myself any meaningful

relevance. So, thank God

> for Self-love! And when I look at the world I see

it with the eyes

> of love because it is myself. Everything is

myself and so I love

> everything! Love gives meaning to my existence

and is the ground of

> my being.

>

> " B " : Have we moved past the " having a point "

business by

> now?

>

> " S " : Yes, I believe so, lol.

>

> " B " : True meditation, in my veiw, entails a

vivid, acute

> witnessing of " opposing energies " when they arise.

>

> " S " : Yes. Exactly. Good... er...point.

>

>

> Good morning

> er... b and s ;-)

>

>

> synergy:

>

> I am attachment to all things

>

> transitory in nature I live for

>

> these moments I dream of

>

> days and nights forgotten

>

>

>

> I am the nature of attachment

>

> I am the longing of desire to

>

> find an object to complete my

>

> Circle, to define the arc of creation

>

>

>

> I am the creative element of attachment

>

> to all things considered I walk a thin

>

> red line between destruction and folly,

>

> between the cessation of beginnings and endings

>

>

>

> I am significance and the perchance meeting

>

> myself in Soul, a distant mirror, emptied

>

> and readied to become desire for the Soulful, now

>

> a walk in Silence, unattached and made ready.

>

>

>

> I am Spirit.

>

>

>

> sorry it's the only way I can speak well, in

poetry,

 

Don't tell me you have a complex about speaking in

poetry! Who did that to you? Was it Pete?

 

Well, whoever it was, don't pay no mind to any such

nonsense.

 

Afterall, poetry is the language of the Soul, is it

not?

 

Well, and of Spirit too, I suppose

 

And what you have written here is fascinating.

I love the way you express an embrace of so

many nondual " bads " , like desire, attachement

and the like.

 

That's the way it is, isn't it? Delicately

balanced. A high-wire tension. No room for

error, and yet such nonchalance!

 

 

Bill

 

 

 

> Love,

>

> Ana

 

I remember wishing one day: If there was only one

thing I could keep in this world, It would be the

capacitie to love it.

 

Patricia

 

 

YeS!!!

how to love the world we create

and recreate.

 

 

Love,

Ana

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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