Point Of Life? No-me and Ana?

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SamT7: thank you for taking the time to write your response. I do

like your name:

 

~NO-ME~

 

On the other hand, if there is NO ME then what is there to witness?

NO THING? No thing is a rather dull thing to witness. Try it.

Within moments the witness will conjure up SOME thing so it has

Something to witness. That's what the witness does. It is not

separate from this NO-me/NOthing thing which is what many would like

to separate it out. Making it sound like the Witness is actually

something as in SELf (separated) as opposed to this me thing which

is non-existent.

 

~NO-ME~:PLEASE KNOW THAT WITHIN ALL LIVING ORGANISM, THERE ARE MANY

INDEPENDENT ORGANISM, FUNCTIONED THE WAY THEY ARE PROGRAMMED TO

FUNCTION.

 

samT7: Would that be the " me " that is the " no " me?

oh, it is a highly complicated program we play among eh? When one

pulls apart each part of the program it appears to make ~NO~SENSE~

And yet the mind is aptly programmed to try to make sense of it,

somehow. So it neatly puts it in lots of different categories.

Irregardless of whether or not some " thing " exists....quite

honestly, it exhausts me just trying to think of it all. I just

play the game. But it's this suffering that causes one to concoct

all these programs and ideas so to rid oneself of the " no " me that

appears to be causing it while still staying in something of the

Self (the witness?). All the while saying that all of it truly is

a dream like illusion. I play the dream but why the need for the

fancy ideas and ideals to wrap around it. ah yes, to rid oneself of

the suffering. Ana there is a poem in this and I can feel it

coming on. Ana, you will write a lovely poem yet again discussing

this need to bring the no me and the me self and the what nots into

an embrace. Maybe even embrace the suffering a little eh? The

suffering you hide behind from the frilly words of bliss and love.

 

Why NO-Me would you care to witness something that by your own

reference isn't even there or not existent (sorry I can't remember

the exact phrase you use?)

 

Perhaps nome you mean this:

Realizing my supreme self-nature in the Person of the Witness, and

the state of desirelessness in bondage or liberation, I feel no

inclintion for liberation. Ashtavagita

 

For,,,,what is there to liberate from? if there is no-me or no-you

or no ________ fill in the blank. Still, if there's nothing to

witness then what becomes of the *Witness.* Creation continues

irregardless of it's nature (suffering or non-suffering or a

multitude of grey area) b/c it is a part of this witness, not

something separate, and one persons suffering and pain is another

persons bliss. Just ask Ana.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , bounthanom munxayaphom

<nomemxp> wrote:

>

> sam_t_7 <sam_t_7> wrote: --- In

Nisargadatta , bounthanom munxayaphom

> <nomemxp> wrote:

> >

> > As the mind grew older, I become aware of the fruitfulness of

> meditation. As of now, I contemplate using Yoga, as a way to get

in

> touch with the self. In Truth, the word Yoga means " Contemplate. "

> One can maintain an energy level between the eye-brown, you will

> feel differently. At the same time, find out who is meditating.

> Meditating is all there is! True meditation is an absence

> of the personal doership. Witnessing is all there is.

>

>

> S: How can you meditate *with* an absence of doership?

> Think about it...or not.

> As much as the phrase doer/non-doer/witness is bandied around

please

> tell me how it's possible to *not* --do-- anything, even

something

> such as witnessing involves a premise of *doing*. Personal/non-

> personal, it's a shuck and jive talk there of lively confusion.

>

> NOME: " MEDITATE OR NOT " IS JUST UPTO THE READINESS OF ONE'S

MIND. WHEN MEDITATING WITH A PERSONAL DOERSHIP, THAT IS THE " YOU "

IS DOING IT, OR THE BODY-MIND ORGANISM IS DOING. IN TRUTH, THE

REAL, " I " MUST NOT ASSOCIATE ITSELF WITH THE BODY-MIND ORGANISM,

DURING MEDITATION PRACTICE. MEDITATION IS DONE. THERE IS NOBODY

MEDITATING ON ANYTHING. SHOULD THE PERSONAL INVOLVEMENT IN

MEDITATION IS OCCURED, THE BODY-MIND ORGANISM TAKES THE LEAD, AS

SUPPOSE THE SELF, AS A RESULT, MORE PHYSICAL SUFFERING OCCURS, WHEN

EXPERIENCING THE ENERGY. OF COURSE, SENSES CAN ONLY EXPERIENCE

THROUGH THE BODY-MIND ORGANISM. WHILE THE BODY IS STILL LIVING, IF

EXPERIENCES OF THE SELF OCCUR, THEY WILL ONLY BE REGISTERED THROUGH

MEMORIES. ALL THAT WE DO IN MEDITATION IS BALANCING THE ENERGY LEVEL

THROUGHOUT THE PHYSICAL BODY, TO PROPER FUNCTION ALL DIFFERENT

ORGANISM. PLEASE KNOW THAT WITHIN ALL LIVING ORGANISM, THERE ARE

MANY INDEPENDENT ORGANISM, FUNCTIONED THEY WAY THEY ARE PROGRAMMED

TO FUNCTION.

> THE REAL JOB OF THE SELF OR THE ENERGY IS TO PROPERLY RESPOND OR

REACT TO THE NEEDS OF ALL THESE LIVING ORANISM, DIFFERENT PARTS, IF

YOU WILL. IF THERE IS TOO MUCH OF THIS ENERGY FOCUSED ON ONE

LOCATION OF THE BODY PARTS, DAMAGES ARE DEFINITELY UNAVOIDABLE.

EVEN THE NERVOUS SYSTEM CAN BE DESTRUCTIVE!! THAT IS WHY ONE MUST

NOT MEDITATE WHEN THE MIND IS NOT READY, OTHERWISE, ONE IS GOING

THROUGH WHAT IS CALLED, " SELF-HYNOSIS " . ONE MUST NOT BE FOOLED BY

THE INTELLECTUALS OF THE MIND, WHICH IS LEARNED AND ADAPTED. BUT

UPON THE END OF THIS BODY-MIND ORGANISM, WHAT IS THERE TO BE

REMEMBERED? SOONER OR LATER, WHEN ONE IS READY, THE MIND-BODY

ORGANISM WILL SURRENDER TO THIS ENERGY, OUR REAL SELF!

>

> PERSONAL OR IMPERSONAL THAT DEPENDS ON THE INVOLVEMENT OF ONE'S

MIND. IF IT'S IMPERSONAL, IT MEANS LIBERATION, ELSE IT'S BONDAGE.

THESE CONCEPTS MAKE PERFECT SENSE. ONE MUST FIND THE *WHO* THAT

DOES NOT SEE THIS POINT. " IMPERSONAL " REFERS TO THE MANIFESTATION

AND TOTALITY, WHICH IS UNIVERSAL. SOMETHING IS DONE (IMPERSONAL).

I DO IT (PERSONAL). I UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY HOW AND WHY THIS POINT

IS RAISED.

>

>

> >

> >It is only the ego which identifies itself through a conditioned

> mind. A conditioned mind is the one that projects or predisposes

> about experiencing something external or magical from elsewhere.

> >

>

>

> S: How can you ever get away from the Conditioned mind?

> Everything is conditioned, even this great witness you speak of as

> being *all there is* is conditioned. It's just a **different**

> condition. Condition = experience.

>

> And, when you get this you stop searching after some wonderous

> witness type of thing that will hopefully take one beyond *this*

> experience and into **another** experience that is *different*

and

> so labelled *not the same*.

> It's all just playing with experience. You either accept this

> experience or look for something else, something grander,

greater,

> blissier, less external, more external, or magical or

> unmagical....the variations are myriad but however you word or

> phrase it or whatever angle you look from (the witness or

plethora

> of new concepts) it's all the same. If you do not have this

> experience and embrace it then what do you have? Without

> experience what is there? So embrace it, concoct it, manipulate

it

> and try to understand it if you will..... it's all there is baby,

> experience. End it and what do you have then? You call your

*end*

> the witness, I call it just another condition. It's fine. Then

> again, I'm into experience and I embrace it - why deny it - it's

> what **I** do. the rest of the fanciful ideas is all a lively

> distraction.

>

> NOME: " How to get away from the conditioned mind... "

>

> ALWAYS KNOW THAT THE MIND CANNOT EXIST WITHOUT ONE'S

CONSCIOUSNESS. IT'S THIS PURE CONSCIOUSNESS THAT IS OUR TRUE NATURE

TO BALANCE THE ENERGY AMONG THE BODY'S CHAKRA POINTS. AGAIN THIS IS

ALSO MERE CONCEPT. THE ENRGY IS ALL AROUND US. AS A MATTER OF

FACT, WE ARE INSIDE THE VACCUM OF THE FIELD OFENERGY. WHY DON'T WE

KNOG? EYES CANNOT SEE THEMSELVES. WE ARE THAT. THE MIND HAS NO

BASE OF ITSELF. THE MIND IS LEARNED. IT'S THIS MIND THAT SHUTDOWN

THE EXPERIENCE OF THE KUNDALINI WAKEUP. IT'S LL CONDITIONED

THROUGH THE SAMSAKARA (PREDISPOSITION). SAMSARA RELIES ON PREVIOUS

KARMAS...AT BIRTH OR LEARNED.

>

> WORDS OR LANGUAGES ARE MERE CONCEPTS. WHAT IS THE USE OF WORDS

UPON THE TRANSITION OF THIS BODY? NONE! PLEASE LOOK BEYOND THE

INTELLECTUALS.

>

> IN ORDER TO WITNESS ONESELF EXPERIENCE THIS DIVINE, ONE MUST STOP

SEARCHING.

>

> Conditioned mind is the Ego only. It is what blocks us from our

intuitiveness!

>

> >Please remember that self-realization is a lifetime process. The

> self is always there, there is no need to realize anything. It is

> always there. One must ask oneself this question, " Am I ready for

> this? "

> >

> >What is the point of life?

>

>

> S: it seems that is the age old question, " what is the point

of

> life? " For many here it is to experience and then debate

about

> how it's not real, how it is imagined, illusion versus

coalescence

> and the debate and search goes on. Must there always be a point

of

> experience? Maybe rather than a point it's just what *you*

do.

>

> NOME: THE POINT OF LIFE OR EXPERIENCE IS CONSTANT! IT'S ALWAYS

HAPPENING. THERE IS LACK OF SOMEBODY TO WITNESS IT. IT IS THE SAME

SIMPLE CONCEPT WITH ENLIGHTENMENT, WHICH IS ALWAYS HERE AND NOW.

THE MOMENT, ONE STOPS SEEKING, IT IS THERE. BUT SOON WHEN IT IS

BEING SOUGHT, IT IS VANISHED. THE TRUTH OR ENLIGHTENMENT CAN ONLY

HAPPEN...! A POINT OF LIFE: IS MERE CONCEPT INVENTED BY THE MIND TO

DELAY OR POSTPONE THE JOURNEY TO THE FUTURE. THERE IS NO SUCH A

THING CALLED A POINT OR CIRCLE OF LIFE, ETC...! IT IS ALL INVENTED

BY INTELLECTUALS. BUT WHAT A GREAT CONCEPT, IF IT HELPS THOSE WHO

ARE SEARCHING FIND THIS SOLUTION, WITHOUT HAVING TO GO THROUGH ALL

THAT SAMSARA OVER AND OVER, AND LIVE WITH LESS SUFFERING AS MUCH AS

POSSIBLE...!

>

> WE DO HAVE OUR PARTS IN MANY THINGS THAT WE DO WHICH CONTRIBUTE TO

SOCIETY AS A WHOLE.

>

> PEACE!

>

> ~NO-ME~

>

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