Guest guest Posted January 27, 2006 Report Share Posted January 27, 2006 In a message dated 1/27/2006 11:54:04 AM Pacific Standard Time, nomemxp writes: > Subj: Re: Re: Point Of Life? > 1/27/2006 11:54:04 AM Pacific Standard Time > nomemxp > Reply-to: Nisargadatta > Nisargadatta > Sent from the Internet > > > > sam_t_7 <sam_t_7 wrote: Nisargadatta , > bounthanom munxayaphom > <nomemxp> wrote: > > > >As the mind grew older, I become aware of the fruitfulness of > meditation. L/E: The mind does not grow older, Only the body ages. As of now, I contemplate using Yoga, as a way to get in > touch with the > self. In Truth, the word Yoga means " Contemplate. " L.E: You, the individual cannot " get in touch the the self In Truth. The Self is always present and you can only be it. > One can maintain an energy level between the eye-brown, you will > feel differently. At the same time, find out who is meditating. > Meditating is all there is! L.E: Is that what you think when you are sitting on the pot: eating a carrot? True meditation is an absence > > of the personal doership. Witnessing is all there is.\ L.E: If witnessing is all there is, how to you pull on your pants in the morening? > S: How can you meditate *with* an absence of doership? > Think about it...or not. > As much as the phrase doer/non-doer/witness is bandied around please > tell me how it's possible to *not* --do-- anything, even something > such as witnessing involves a premise of *doing*. Personal/non- > personal, it's a shuck and jive talk there of lively confusion. > > NOME: " MEDITATE OR NOT " IS JUST UPTO THE READINESS OF ONE'S MIND. WHEN > MEDITATING WITH A PERSONAL DOERSHIP, THAT IS THE " YOU " IS DOING IT, OR THE > BODY-MIND ORGANISM IS DOING. IN TRUTH, THE REAL, " I " MUST NOT ASSOCIATE ITSELF > WITH THE BODY-MIND ORGANISM, L.E: The real I is expressing all that is. It is totally associated with the body/mind organism. Without the real I, there is nothing at all. DURING MEDITATION PRACTICE. MEDITATION IS DONE. THERE IS NOBODY > MEDITATING ON ANYTHING. SHOULD THE PERSONAL INVOLVEMENT IN MEDITATION IS > OCCURED, THE BODY-MIND ORGANISM TAKES THE LEAD, AS SUPPOSE THE SELF, AS A > RESULT, MORE PHYSICAL SUFFERING OCCURS, WHEN EXPERIENCING THE ENERGY. OF > COURSE, SENSES CAN ONLY EXPERIENCE THROUGH THE BODY-MIND ORGANISM. WHILE THE BODY > IS STILL LIVING, IF EXPERIENCES OF THE SELF OCCUR, THEY WILL ONLY BE > REGISTERED THROUGH MEMORIES. ALL THAT WE DO IN MEDITATION IS BALANCING THE ENERGY > LEVEL THROUGHOUT THE PHYSICAL BODY, TO PROPER FUNCTION ALL DIFFERENT ORGANISM. > PLEASE KNOW THAT WITHIN ALL LIVING ORGANISM, THERE ARE MANY INDEPENDENT > ORGANISM, FUNCTIONED THEY WAY THEY ARE PROGRAMMED TO FUNCTION. L.E: The manure stinks to high heaven, so to speak. What a bunch of garbage. Here is another spiritual con man. > THE REAL JOB OF THE SELF OR THE ENERGY IS TO PROPERLY RESPOND OR REACT TO > THE NEEDS OF ALL THESE LIVING ORANISM, DIFFERENT PARTS, IF YOU WILL. IF THERE > IS TOO MUCH OF THIS ENERGY FOCUSED ON ONE LOCATION OF THE BODY PARTS, > DAMAGES ARE DEFINITELY UNAVOIDABLE. EVEN THE NERVOUS SYSTEM CAN BE DESTRUCTIVE!! > THAT IS WHY ONE MUST NOT MEDITATE WHEN THE MIND IS NOT READY, OTHERWISE, ONE > IS GOING THROUGH WHAT IS CALLED, " SELF-HYNOSIS " . ONE MUST NOT BE FOOLED BY > THE INTELLECTUALS OF THE MIND, WHICH IS LEARNED AND ADAPTED. BUT UPON THE END > OF THIS BODY-MIND ORGANISM, WHAT IS THERE TO BE REMEMBERED? SOONER OR > LATER, WHEN ONE IS READY, THE MIND-BODY ORGANISM WILL SURRENDER TO THIS ENERGY, > OUR REAL SELF! L.E: None of this is true, accurate or helpful and will only confuse something that is really quite simple. It's all made up like Mickey Mouse and jSuperman. > > PERSONAL OR IMPERSONAL THAT DEPENDS ON THE INVOLVEMENT OF ONE'S MIND. IF > IT'S IMPERSONAL, IT MEANS LIBERATION, ELSE IT'S BONDAGE. THESE CONCEPTS MAKE > PERFECT SENSE. ONE MUST FIND THE *WHO* THAT DOES NOT SEE THIS POINT. > " IMPERSONAL " REFERS TO THE MANIFESTATION AND TOTALITY, WHICH IS UNIVERSAL. > SOMETHING IS DONE (IMPERSONAL). I DO IT (PERSONAL). I UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY HOW AND > WHY THIS POINT IS RAISED. > L.E: Sure thing. You understand completely how this point is raised. Yea for you, let us all bow down to your supreme wisdom. > > >It is only the ego which identifies itself through a conditioned > mind. A conditioned mind is the one that projects or predisposes > about experiencing something external or magical from elsewhere. > > > S: How can you ever get away from the Conditioned mind? > Everything is conditioned, even this great witness you speak of as > being *all there is* is conditioned. It's just a **different** > condition. Condition = experience. > > And, when you get this you stop searching after some wonderous > witness type of thing that will hopefully take one beyond *this* > experience and into **another** experience that is *different* and > so labelled *not the same*. > It's all just playing with experience. You either accept this > experience or look for something else, something grander, greater, > blissier, less external, more external, or magical or > unmagical....the variations are myriad but however you word or > phrase it or whatever angle you look from (the witness or plethora > of new concepts) it's all the same. If you do not have this > experience and embrace it then what do you have? Without > experience what is there? So embrace it, concoct it, manipulate it > and try to understand it if you will..... it's all there is baby, > experience. End it and what do you have then? You call your *end* > the witness, I call it just another condition. It's fine. Then > again, I'm into experience and I embrace it - why deny it - it's > what **I** do. the rest of the fanciful ideas is all a lively > distraction. > > NOME: " How to get away from the conditioned mind... " > > ALWAYS KNOW THAT THE MIND CANNOT EXIST WITHOUT ONE'S CONSCIOUSNESS. IT'S > THIS PURE CONSCIOUSNESS THAT IS OUR TRUE NATURE TO BALANCE THE ENERGY AMONG THE > BODY'S CHAKRA POINTS. AGAIN THIS IS ALSO MERE CONCEPT. THE ENRGY IS ALL > AROUND US. AS A MATTER OF FACT, WE ARE INSIDE THE VACCUM OF THE FIELD > OFENERGY. WHY DON'T WE KNOG? EYES CANNOT SEE THEMSELVES. WE ARE THAT. THE MIND > HAS NO BASE OF ITSELF. THE MIND IS LEARNED. IT'S THIS MIND THAT SHUTDOWN THE > EXPERIENCE OF THE KUNDALINI WAKEUP. IT'S LL CONDITIONED THROUGH THE > SAMSAKARA (PREDISPOSITION). SAMSARA RELIES ON PREVIOUS KARMAS...AT BIRTH OR > LEARNED. L.E: So in this mixed up mess, we have Chakras, Kundalini, Samsar, and rebirth. Such mysteries as the vaccumb of the field of energy. Some people can talk that stuff, parade their concepts and think they are saying something. > WORDS OR LANGUAGES ARE MERE CONCEPTS. WHAT IS THE USE OF WORDS UPON THE > TRANSITION OF THIS BODY? NONE! PLEASE LOOK BEYOND THE INTELLECTUALS. > > IN ORDER TO WITNESS ONESELF EXPERIENCE THIS DIVINE, ONE MUST STOP SEARCHING. > L.E: Now we have three entities. The witness, oneself and the divine, and it can only be found if you stop searching. So stop searching and continue making that hamburger for the next twenty years. > Conditioned mind is the Ego only. It is what blocks us from our > intuitiveness! > > >Please remember that self-realization is a lifetime process. The > self is always there, there is no need to realize anything. It is > always there. One must ask oneself this question, " Am I ready for > this? " > > > >What is the point of life? > > > S: it seems that is the age old question, " what is the point of > life? " For many here it is to experience and then debate about > how it's not real, how it is imagined, illusion versus coalescence > and the debate and search goes on. Must there always be a point of > experience? Maybe rather than a point it's just what *you* do. > > NOME: THE POINT OF LIFE OR EXPERIENCE IS CONSTANT! IT'S ALWAYS HAPPENING. > THERE IS LACK OF SOMEBODY TO WITNESS IT. IT IS THE SAME SIMPLE CONCEPT WITH > ENLIGHTENMENT, WHICH IS ALWAYS HERE AND NOW. THE MOMENT, ONE STOPS SEEKING, > IT IS THERE. BUT SOON WHEN IT IS BEING SOUGHT, IT IS VANISHED. THE TRUTH OR > ENLIGHTENMENT CAN ONLY HAPPEN...! A POINT OF LIFE: IS MERE CONCEPT INVENTED > BY THE MIND TO DELAY OR POSTPONE THE JOURNEY TO THE FUTURE. THERE IS NO > SUCH A THING CALLED A POINT OR CIRCLE OF LIFE, ETC...! IT IS ALL INVENTED BY > INTELLECTUALS. BUT WHAT A GREAT CONCEPT, IF IT HELPS THOSE WHO ARE SEARCHING > FIND THIS SOLUTION, WITHOUT HAVING TO GO THROUGH ALL THAT SAMSARA OVER AND > OVER, AND LIVE WITH LESS SUFFERING AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE...! > > WE DO HAVE OUR PARTS IN MANY THINGS THAT WE DO WHICH CONTRIBUTE TO SOCIETY > AS A WHOLE. L.E: With all due respect. Crap! Larry Epston www.epston.com > > PEACE! > > ~NO-ME~ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2006 Report Share Posted January 28, 2006 We are all children of Light, Some innocent, and others, bright Lost and confused at our own time Been haunted by intelligents of men Some were hurt, others burned into flames Due to words or languages invented by men Lost and wounded for the sake of forms or names? May love and peace be with those who are victims of the intellects " Understanding is all needed! " , Maharaj ~nome~ Victim of the intelligents epston wrote: In a message dated 1/27/2006 11:54:04 AM Pacific Standard Time, nomemxp writes: > Subj: Re: Re: Point Of Life? > 1/27/2006 11:54:04 AM Pacific Standard Time > nomemxp > Reply-to: Nisargadatta > Nisargadatta > Sent from the Internet > > > > sam_t_7 <sam_t_7 wrote: Nisargadatta , > bounthanom munxayaphom > <nomemxp> wrote: > > > >As the mind grew older, I become aware of the fruitfulness of > meditation. L/E: The mind does not grow older, Only the body ages. As of now, I contemplate using Yoga, as a way to get in > touch with the > self. In Truth, the word Yoga means " Contemplate. " L.E: You, the individual cannot " get in touch the the self In Truth. The Self is always present and you can only be it. > One can maintain an energy level between the eye-brown, you will > feel differently. At the same time, find out who is meditating. > Meditating is all there is! L.E: Is that what you think when you are sitting on the pot: eating a carrot? True meditation is an absence > > of the personal doership. Witnessing is all there is.\ L.E: If witnessing is all there is, how to you pull on your pants in the morening? > S: How can you meditate *with* an absence of doership? > Think about it...or not. > As much as the phrase doer/non-doer/witness is bandied around please > tell me how it's possible to *not* --do-- anything, even something > such as witnessing involves a premise of *doing*. Personal/non- > personal, it's a shuck and jive talk there of lively confusion. > > NOME: " MEDITATE OR NOT " IS JUST UPTO THE READINESS OF ONE'S MIND. WHEN > MEDITATING WITH A PERSONAL DOERSHIP, THAT IS THE " YOU " IS DOING IT, OR THE > BODY-MIND ORGANISM IS DOING. IN TRUTH, THE REAL, " I " MUST NOT ASSOCIATE ITSELF > WITH THE BODY-MIND ORGANISM, L.E: The real I is expressing all that is. It is totally associated with the body/mind organism. Without the real I, there is nothing at all. DURING MEDITATION PRACTICE. MEDITATION IS DONE. THERE IS NOBODY > MEDITATING ON ANYTHING. SHOULD THE PERSONAL INVOLVEMENT IN MEDITATION IS > OCCURED, THE BODY-MIND ORGANISM TAKES THE LEAD, AS SUPPOSE THE SELF, AS A > RESULT, MORE PHYSICAL SUFFERING OCCURS, WHEN EXPERIENCING THE ENERGY. OF > COURSE, SENSES CAN ONLY EXPERIENCE THROUGH THE BODY-MIND ORGANISM. WHILE THE BODY > IS STILL LIVING, IF EXPERIENCES OF THE SELF OCCUR, THEY WILL ONLY BE > REGISTERED THROUGH MEMORIES. ALL THAT WE DO IN MEDITATION IS BALANCING THE ENERGY > LEVEL THROUGHOUT THE PHYSICAL BODY, TO PROPER FUNCTION ALL DIFFERENT ORGANISM. > PLEASE KNOW THAT WITHIN ALL LIVING ORGANISM, THERE ARE MANY INDEPENDENT > ORGANISM, FUNCTIONED THEY WAY THEY ARE PROGRAMMED TO FUNCTION. L.E: The manure stinks to high heaven, so to speak. What a bunch of garbage. Here is another spiritual con man. > THE REAL JOB OF THE SELF OR THE ENERGY IS TO PROPERLY RESPOND OR REACT TO > THE NEEDS OF ALL THESE LIVING ORANISM, DIFFERENT PARTS, IF YOU WILL. IF THERE > IS TOO MUCH OF THIS ENERGY FOCUSED ON ONE LOCATION OF THE BODY PARTS, > DAMAGES ARE DEFINITELY UNAVOIDABLE. EVEN THE NERVOUS SYSTEM CAN BE DESTRUCTIVE!! > THAT IS WHY ONE MUST NOT MEDITATE WHEN THE MIND IS NOT READY, OTHERWISE, ONE > IS GOING THROUGH WHAT IS CALLED, " SELF-HYNOSIS " . ONE MUST NOT BE FOOLED BY > THE INTELLECTUALS OF THE MIND, WHICH IS LEARNED AND ADAPTED. BUT UPON THE END > OF THIS BODY-MIND ORGANISM, WHAT IS THERE TO BE REMEMBERED? SOONER OR > LATER, WHEN ONE IS READY, THE MIND-BODY ORGANISM WILL SURRENDER TO THIS ENERGY, > OUR REAL SELF! L.E: None of this is true, accurate or helpful and will only confuse something that is really quite simple. It's all made up like Mickey Mouse and jSuperman. > > PERSONAL OR IMPERSONAL THAT DEPENDS ON THE INVOLVEMENT OF ONE'S MIND. IF > IT'S IMPERSONAL, IT MEANS LIBERATION, ELSE IT'S BONDAGE. THESE CONCEPTS MAKE > PERFECT SENSE. ONE MUST FIND THE *WHO* THAT DOES NOT SEE THIS POINT. > " IMPERSONAL " REFERS TO THE MANIFESTATION AND TOTALITY, WHICH IS UNIVERSAL. > SOMETHING IS DONE (IMPERSONAL). I DO IT (PERSONAL). I UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY HOW AND > WHY THIS POINT IS RAISED. > L.E: Sure thing. You understand completely how this point is raised. Yea for you, let us all bow down to your supreme wisdom. > > >It is only the ego which identifies itself through a conditioned > mind. A conditioned mind is the one that projects or predisposes > about experiencing something external or magical from elsewhere. > > > S: How can you ever get away from the Conditioned mind? > Everything is conditioned, even this great witness you speak of as > being *all there is* is conditioned. It's just a **different** > condition. Condition = experience. > > And, when you get this you stop searching after some wonderous > witness type of thing that will hopefully take one beyond *this* > experience and into **another** experience that is *different* and > so labelled *not the same*. > It's all just playing with experience. You either accept this > experience or look for something else, something grander, greater, > blissier, less external, more external, or magical or > unmagical....the variations are myriad but however you word or > phrase it or whatever angle you look from (the witness or plethora > of new concepts) it's all the same. If you do not have this > experience and embrace it then what do you have? Without > experience what is there? So embrace it, concoct it, manipulate it > and try to understand it if you will..... it's all there is baby, > experience. End it and what do you have then? You call your *end* > the witness, I call it just another condition. It's fine. Then > again, I'm into experience and I embrace it - why deny it - it's > what **I** do. the rest of the fanciful ideas is all a lively > distraction. > > NOME: " How to get away from the conditioned mind... " > > ALWAYS KNOW THAT THE MIND CANNOT EXIST WITHOUT ONE'S CONSCIOUSNESS. IT'S > THIS PURE CONSCIOUSNESS THAT IS OUR TRUE NATURE TO BALANCE THE ENERGY AMONG THE > BODY'S CHAKRA POINTS. AGAIN THIS IS ALSO MERE CONCEPT. THE ENRGY IS ALL > AROUND US. AS A MATTER OF FACT, WE ARE INSIDE THE VACCUM OF THE FIELD > OFENERGY. WHY DON'T WE KNOG? EYES CANNOT SEE THEMSELVES. WE ARE THAT. THE MIND > HAS NO BASE OF ITSELF. THE MIND IS LEARNED. IT'S THIS MIND THAT SHUTDOWN THE > EXPERIENCE OF THE KUNDALINI WAKEUP. IT'S LL CONDITIONED THROUGH THE > SAMSAKARA (PREDISPOSITION). SAMSARA RELIES ON PREVIOUS KARMAS...AT BIRTH OR > LEARNED. L.E: So in this mixed up mess, we have Chakras, Kundalini, Samsar, and rebirth. Such mysteries as the vaccumb of the field of energy. Some people can talk that stuff, parade their concepts and think they are saying something. > WORDS OR LANGUAGES ARE MERE CONCEPTS. WHAT IS THE USE OF WORDS UPON THE > TRANSITION OF THIS BODY? NONE! PLEASE LOOK BEYOND THE INTELLECTUALS. > > IN ORDER TO WITNESS ONESELF EXPERIENCE THIS DIVINE, ONE MUST STOP SEARCHING. > L.E: Now we have three entities. The witness, oneself and the divine, and it can only be found if you stop searching. So stop searching and continue making that hamburger for the next twenty years. > Conditioned mind is the Ego only. It is what blocks us from our > intuitiveness! > > >Please remember that self-realization is a lifetime process. The > self is always there, there is no need to realize anything. It is > always there. One must ask oneself this question, " Am I ready for > this? " > > > >What is the point of life? > > > S: it seems that is the age old question, " what is the point of > life? " For many here it is to experience and then debate about > how it's not real, how it is imagined, illusion versus coalescence > and the debate and search goes on. Must there always be a point of > experience? Maybe rather than a point it's just what *you* do. > > NOME: THE POINT OF LIFE OR EXPERIENCE IS CONSTANT! IT'S ALWAYS HAPPENING. > THERE IS LACK OF SOMEBODY TO WITNESS IT. IT IS THE SAME SIMPLE CONCEPT WITH > ENLIGHTENMENT, WHICH IS ALWAYS HERE AND NOW. THE MOMENT, ONE STOPS SEEKING, > IT IS THERE. BUT SOON WHEN IT IS BEING SOUGHT, IT IS VANISHED. THE TRUTH OR > ENLIGHTENMENT CAN ONLY HAPPEN...! A POINT OF LIFE: IS MERE CONCEPT INVENTED > BY THE MIND TO DELAY OR POSTPONE THE JOURNEY TO THE FUTURE. THERE IS NO > SUCH A THING CALLED A POINT OR CIRCLE OF LIFE, ETC...! IT IS ALL INVENTED BY > INTELLECTUALS. BUT WHAT A GREAT CONCEPT, IF IT HELPS THOSE WHO ARE SEARCHING > FIND THIS SOLUTION, WITHOUT HAVING TO GO THROUGH ALL THAT SAMSARA OVER AND > OVER, AND LIVE WITH LESS SUFFERING AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE...! > > WE DO HAVE OUR PARTS IN MANY THINGS THAT WE DO WHICH CONTRIBUTE TO SOCIETY > AS A WHOLE. L.E: With all due respect. Crap! Larry Epston www.epston.com > > PEACE! > > ~NO-ME~ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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