NoMe-After Surrender -- The Afterward! ~no-me~

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Feelings of senses are vanished. There is little as activity as possible

> in the mind, just to remember some experiences. Imagine a 10,000 volts

charge

> of this Divine power, runs thru the whole body. This moment of the

> surrender is like being inside a bottle filled with water of energy---then a

cap is

> open, after being shaken or beaten so hard by this Divine. There are stages

> for this Awakening of the Divine. It's always here. We are

that---constantly

> realizing on this source of the Divine, without realizing It. Soon one

> surrenders completely, one is in the Unity with Light!

>

> ~nome~

> L.E: AFTERWARDS, AFTERWARD!!! What happens after all this occurs?

 

NOME: First, there is a lack of certain desires. For example, the desire for

belongings and possessions, anything that belongs to the physical world,

anything external, becomes impersonal. If one is asked, “Give me your car!

Give me your money! And give me your body, etc†You can simply say, “None of

these is mine, nor it is yours! You may take as much as you want, but they

cannot be kept!â€

 

How so? Any physical means can only be given! After all this occurs, it is

like that of the non-doership thing which we talked over earlier. It is

irreversible---even if one tries to be normal like before, simply sorry

cannot!!! Self-realization is irreversible (period)! Even if one pretends

forget about this whole thing, sorry cannot!!! The brain somehow is rewound.

One can get frustrated sometime while there is a continuing of this physical

body. The body will still continue to live after any Awakened experiences. It

is, as if, one is in the other dimension or different physical domains of some

sorts!!! I know it is weird, but that is what it is feeling like right now. The

more I get into this in deeper details, the harder it is to be normal again.

 

How! The experience is so powerful that, it is like being reborn again, in a

different mindset!!! Sex is better than before…if that is what one wants to

use this Energy for!! But there are, I am sure, other means to use this Divine

energy too.

 

L.E: “All of you preach the goal, but who preaches after the goal? Do you

die,

do you get married, do you have children, what kind of a parent are you, do you

have sex, do you eat? What happens afterward? Do you know? I think you

don't know and you are just a propagandist for something you heard about, but

haven't experienced.â€

 

NOME: The Awakening experience is not something to be playing around. There

was never any goal before this happened. It was the Divine power of Love, which

ignited all these wheels of Energy, the Chakras etc. All these concepts of

chakras were foreign to me. Let’s be frank. As you can see, men like to

label everything in this Universe. But that simplicity, which is Pure Love,

needs no words to express. The same thing with the Divine power, it is

ineffable. We know where the source is of the Energy, the hydro plant or

nuclear plants etc. But what causes the dynamo to move etc, the finger to type

these words, one must go back to the source. The energy power has always been

here way before any living organism. It was just that there was no other means

to know how to use all of these.

 

Of course, as long as the body-mind organism is still living, the desire to

want sex, marriage, children, etc, will still be there. What is lacking is like

what Ramesh S. Balsekar said, “There is a lack of personal doer-ship!†Any

words, anything that one does, it is because of the re-acting to, not acting to.

Responding to senses etc, that is all that one does. The lack of personal

doer-ship is that something is done. There is never a doer, no action, but just

Do-ing!!! And there is a great acceptance of “What-Isâ€. Well, sometime

people, the evil one might use this power in the destructive means etc. There

will still be some egos, which wanted to show off to others etc.

 

What is the use of this Divine power? That depends on desire or the level of

that individual’s understanding about this whole manifestation. At the same

time, there is a tendency of wanting to share this experience. Why? Awakening

or experiencing the Void can be a very lonely. When one comes back to live in

this body, there is a total new way of thinking. The problems start when one

cannot keep this experience to just oneself. One should always realize that

everybody has there stages and different levels of understanding about

themselves. The problem starts to occur when one begins to pour these concepts

on others. Just witness those plants or any living organism, they are always on

their way to something. This whole manifestation is constant!!!

 

Sometime it is not easy to readjust to the current life. There can be

problematic with family, relationship etc. The bottom line is that one does not

need to prove anything upon this Awakening. One just feels it. That is what it

is like about living with the Kundalini – the absolute Awakening of the Divine

power through love and a complete surrender of oneself, to the supreme

Consciousness! The fact that one is seeking and pursuing this Divine energy is

that causes all the troubles. This very essence of the Divine can only happen,

just like the Truth. And when it happens, nothing can be done about it, but

just witnessing it! That is all.

 

The experience is wonderful and all that. Now I realize how amazing life is,

and witnessing all living organism clinging onto life, is an uplifting

experiencing. Witnessing the living organism doing the mundane things, having

children, enjoying sex, crying and laughing, playing and singing, dancing and

running, moving freely, is what the Divine energy is meant to allow us all to

do---just that! They have no idea---they are the result or supreme example of

this Divine Energy. The Energy is nothing when it cannot be used to empower,

for example, light bulbs, or this LCD screen. This LCD is just like that of

our own. We were once it, and now we manifest to be this amazing living

organism called, human beings. Human beings, besides all the good or bad, they

are doing to each other, without the source of Divine power, Light, or

Consciousness, they are but, corpse!!

 

With Love,

Nome

 

 

 

 

Just be!

 

 

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--- bounthanom munxayaphom <nomemxp a

écrit :

 

 

 

Feelings of senses are vanished. There is little as

activity as possible

> in the mind, just to remember some experiences.

Imagine a 10,000 volts charge

> of this Divine power, runs thru the whole body.

This moment of the

> surrender is like being inside a bottle filled with

water of energy---then a cap is

> open, after being shaken or beaten so hard by this

Divine. There are stages

> for this Awakening of the Divine. It's always

here. We are that---constantly

> realizing on this source of the Divine, without

realizing It. Soon one

> surrenders completely, one is in the Unity with

Light!

>

> ~nome~

> L.E: AFTERWARDS, AFTERWARD!!! What happens after

all this occurs?

 

NOME: First, there is a lack of certain desires. For

example, the desire for belongings and possessions,

anything that belongs to the physical world, anything

external, becomes impersonal. If one is asked,

“Give me your car! Give me your money! And give me

your body, etc� You can simply say, “None of these

is mine, nor it is yours! You may take as much as you

want, but they cannot be kept!�

 

How so? Any physical means can only be given! After

all this occurs, it is like that of the non-doership

thing which we talked over earlier. It is

irreversible---even if one tries to be normal like

before, simply sorry cannot!!! Self-realization is

irreversible (period)! Even if one pretends forget

about this whole thing, sorry cannot!!! The brain

somehow is rewound. One can get frustrated sometime

while there is a continuing of this physical body.

The body will still continue to live after any

Awakened experiences. It is, as if, one is in the

other dimension or different physical domains of some

sorts!!! I know it is weird, but that is what it is

feeling like right now. The more I get into this in

deeper details, the harder it is to be normal again.

 

How! The experience is so powerful that, it is like

being reborn again, in a different mindset!!! Sex is

better than beforeâ€|if that is what one wants to use

this Energy for!! But there are, I am sure, other

means to use this Divine energy too.

 

L.E: “All of you preach the goal, but who preaches

after the goal? Do you die,

do you get married, do you have children, what kind

of a parent are you, do you

have sex, do you eat? What happens afterward? Do

you know? I think you

don't know and you are just a propagandist for

something you heard about, but

haven't experienced.�

 

NOME: The Awakening experience is not something to

be playing around. There was never any goal before

this happened. It was the Divine power of Love, which

ignited all these wheels of Energy, the Chakras etc.

All these concepts of chakras were foreign to me.

Let’s be frank. As you can see, men like to label

everything in this Universe. But that simplicity,

which is Pure Love, needs no words to express. The

same thing with the Divine power, it is ineffable. We

know where the source is of the Energy, the hydro

plant or nuclear plants etc. But what causes the

dynamo to move etc, the finger to type these words,

one must go back to the source. The energy power has

always been here way before any living organism. It

was just that there was no other means to know how to

use all of these.

 

Of course, as long as the body-mind organism is

still living, the desire to want sex, marriage,

children, etc, will still be there. What is lacking

is like what Ramesh S. Balsekar said, “There is a

lack of personal doer-ship!� Any words, anything

that one does, it is because of the re-acting to, not

acting to. Responding to senses etc, that is all that

one does. The lack of personal doer-ship is that

something is done. There is never a doer, no action,

but just Do-ing!!! And there is a great acceptance of

“What-Is�. Well, sometime people, the evil one

might use this power in the destructive means etc.

There will still be some egos, which wanted to show

off to others etc.

 

What is the use of this Divine power? That depends

on desire or the level of that individual’s

understanding about this whole manifestation. At the

same time, there is a tendency of wanting to share

this experience. Why? Awakening or experiencing the

Void can be a very lonely. When one comes back to

live in this body, there is a total new way of

thinking. The problems start when one cannot keep

this experience to just oneself. One should always

realize that everybody has there stages and different

levels of understanding about themselves. The problem

starts to occur when one begins to pour these concepts

on others. Just witness those plants or any living

organism, they are always on their way to something.

This whole manifestation is constant!!!

 

Sometime it is not easy to readjust to the current

life. There can be problematic with family,

relationship etc. The bottom line is that one does

not need to prove anything upon this Awakening. One

just feels it. That is what it is like about living

with the Kundalini – the absolute Awakening of the

Divine power through love and a complete surrender of

oneself, to the supreme Consciousness! The fact that

one is seeking and pursuing this Divine energy is that

causes all the troubles. This very essence of the

Divine can only happen, just like the Truth. And when

it happens, nothing can be done about it, but just

witnessing it! That is all.

 

The experience is wonderful and all that. Now I

realize how amazing life is, and witnessing all living

organism clinging onto life, is an uplifting

experiencing. Witnessing the living organism doing the

mundane things, having children, enjoying sex, crying

and laughing, playing and singing, dancing and

running, moving freely, is what the Divine energy is

meant to allow us all to do---just that! They have no

idea---they are the result or supreme example of this

Divine Energy. The Energy is nothing when it cannot

be used to empower, for example, light bulbs, or this

LCD screen. This LCD is just like that of our own.

We were once it, and now we manifest to be this

amazing living organism called, human beings. Human

beings, besides all the good or bad, they are doing to

each other, without the source of Divine power, Light,

or Consciousness, they are but, corpse!!

 

With Love,

Nome

 

 

 

 

Just be!

 

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Am afraif you are in deep S...t Nome, way too much

sensations, my computer is oozzing after opening your

mail.

get a job!!

Patricia

 

 

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Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige

wrote:

>

> --- bounthanom munxayaphom <nomemxp a

> écrit :

>

>

> > Feelings of senses are vanished. There is little as

> activity as possible

> > in the mind, just to remember some experiences.

> Imagine a 10,000 volts charge

> > of this Divine power, runs thru the whole body.

> This moment of the

> > surrender is like being inside a bottle filled with

> water of energy---then a cap is

> > open, after being shaken or beaten so hard by this

> Divine. There are stages

> > for this Awakening of the Divine. It's always

> here. We are that---constantly

> > realizing on this source of the Divine, without

> realizing It. Soon one

> > surrenders completely, one is in the Unity with

> Light!

> >

> > ~nome~

> > L.E: AFTERWARDS, AFTERWARD!!! What happens after

> all this occurs?

>

> NOME: First, there is a lack of certain desires. For

> example, the desire for belongings and possessions,

> anything that belongs to the physical world, anything

> external, becomes impersonal. If one is asked,

> “Give me your car! Give me your money! And give me

> your body, etc� You can simply say, “None of these

> is mine, nor it is yours! You may take as much as you

> want, but they cannot be kept!�

>

> How so? Any physical means can only be given! After

> all this occurs, it is like that of the non-doership

> thing which we talked over earlier. It is

> irreversible---even if one tries to be normal like

> before, simply sorry cannot!!! Self-realization is

> irreversible (period)! Even if one pretends forget

> about this whole thing, sorry cannot!!! The brain

> somehow is rewound. One can get frustrated sometime

> while there is a continuing of this physical body.

> The body will still continue to live after any

> Awakened experiences. It is, as if, one is in the

> other dimension or different physical domains of some

> sorts!!! I know it is weird, but that is what it is

> feeling like right now. The more I get into this in

> deeper details, the harder it is to be normal again.

>

> How! The experience is so powerful that, it is like

> being reborn again, in a different mindset!!! Sex is

> better than beforeâ€|if that is what one wants to use

> this Energy for!! But there are, I am sure, other

> means to use this Divine energy too.

>

> L.E: “All of you preach the goal, but who preaches

> after the goal? Do you die,

> do you get married, do you have children, what kind

> of a parent are you, do you

> have sex, do you eat? What happens afterward? Do

> you know? I think you

> don't know and you are just a propagandist for

> something you heard about, but

> haven't experienced.�

>

> NOME: The Awakening experience is not something to

> be playing around. There was never any goal before

> this happened. It was the Divine power of Love, which

> ignited all these wheels of Energy, the Chakras etc.

> All these concepts of chakras were foreign to me.

> Let’s be frank. As you can see, men like to label

> everything in this Universe. But that simplicity,

> which is Pure Love, needs no words to express. The

> same thing with the Divine power, it is ineffable. We

> know where the source is of the Energy, the hydro

> plant or nuclear plants etc. But what causes the

> dynamo to move etc, the finger to type these words,

> one must go back to the source. The energy power has

> always been here way before any living organism. It

> was just that there was no other means to know how to

> use all of these.

>

> Of course, as long as the body-mind organism is

> still living, the desire to want sex, marriage,

> children, etc, will still be there. What is lacking

> is like what Ramesh S. Balsekar said, “There is a

> lack of personal doer-ship!� Any words, anything

> that one does, it is because of the re-acting to, not

> acting to. Responding to senses etc, that is all that

> one does. The lack of personal doer-ship is that

> something is done. There is never a doer, no action,

> but just Do-ing!!! And there is a great acceptance of

> “What-Is�. Well, sometime people, the evil one

> might use this power in the destructive means etc.

> There will still be some egos, which wanted to show

> off to others etc.

>

> What is the use of this Divine power? That depends

> on desire or the level of that individual’s

> understanding about this whole manifestation. At the

> same time, there is a tendency of wanting to share

> this experience. Why? Awakening or experiencing the

> Void can be a very lonely. When one comes back to

> live in this body, there is a total new way of

> thinking. The problems start when one cannot keep

> this experience to just oneself. One should always

> realize that everybody has there stages and different

> levels of understanding about themselves. The problem

> starts to occur when one begins to pour these concepts

> on others. Just witness those plants or any living

> organism, they are always on their way to something.

> This whole manifestation is constant!!!

>

> Sometime it is not easy to readjust to the current

> life. There can be problematic with family,

> relationship etc. The bottom line is that one does

> not need to prove anything upon this Awakening. One

> just feels it. That is what it is like about living

> with the Kundalini †" the absolute Awakening of the

> Divine power through love and a complete surrender of

> oneself, to the supreme Consciousness! The fact that

> one is seeking and pursuing this Divine energy is that

> causes all the troubles. This very essence of the

> Divine can only happen, just like the Truth. And when

> it happens, nothing can be done about it, but just

> witnessing it! That is all.

>

> The experience is wonderful and all that. Now I

> realize how amazing life is, and witnessing all living

> organism clinging onto life, is an uplifting

> experiencing. Witnessing the living organism doing the

> mundane things, having children, enjoying sex, crying

> and laughing, playing and singing, dancing and

> running, moving freely, is what the Divine energy is

> meant to allow us all to do---just that! They have no

> idea---they are the result or supreme example of this

> Divine Energy. The Energy is nothing when it cannot

> be used to empower, for example, light bulbs, or this

> LCD screen. This LCD is just like that of our own.

> We were once it, and now we manifest to be this

> amazing living organism called, human beings. Human

> beings, besides all the good or bad, they are doing to

> each other, without the source of Divine power, Light,

> or Consciousness, they are but, corpse!!

>

> With Love,

> Nome

>

>

>

>

> Just be!

>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> Am afraid you are in deep S...t Nome, way too much

> sensations, my computer is oozzing after opening your

> mail.

> get a job!!

> Patricia

>

 

 

 

SamanthaT7: Patricia, I'm unsure about your response. It sounds

very, very harsh and yet in an earlier post you criticized someone

saying, " ouch, that's harsh, does a response need to be so harsh? "

(paraphrasing because I can't remember it verbatim and don't want to

slog through the posts to find it.) Just wondering why it's okay

for you to come out harsh and yet you call others on it? Or do you

not think your comment is perceived as being harsh? Unsure,

awaiting your clarification if you would like to so I can understand

your discussion a little more clearly - or understand you a little

more clearly.

 

 

One buddhist sect **believes** meditation can be wittled down to

this:

 

If you embark on climbing mount everest it's good to know the

**easiest** way up to the summit. One side of the mountain was

attempted for years due to the closure on the Tibetan side, until

Tibet opened it's doors another more passable route was found to the

summit. If mountain climbing is your thing, which surely this

spiritual mountain is the temptress here in one form or another,

from one perspective or another then here are the buddhist steps to

reaching that non-dual/one goal.

 

1. detachment from sensual desires and impure states through

analysis and relfections thereby attaining emotional state of

statisfaction and joy.

 

2. Intellectual activities are relinguished to inner serenity, mind

being in a state of one pointedness or total concentration.

 

3. every emotion, including joy, disappears, leaving the person

indifferent to everything, while remaining conscious completely.

 

4. abandonment of any sense of satisfaction, pain or serenity,

because any inclination to a good or bad state of mind has

disappeared and enters into **pure** consciousness.

 

Mind you, if you don't embark on this big quest you could just as

easily stay home and eat bon bons while drinking a nice bottle of

bubbly. (fizzy wine).

 

Rules that have been set in place over long periods of time are not

so easy to change. Then again, some have changed it all in a

twinkling of an eye. That last sentence appears to be the allure

for many.

 

Observed or Observer, criticizer or accepter (I know that's lousy

grammar) – it's all part of the same game (playground

experience ? if you prefer.)

 

Whichever side of the mountain, it's all the same mountain.

What are the alternatives? Does it really matter if **IT** can

never be known? *IT* doesn't even know what *IT* is until IT

creates, experiences and labels it. So why would this labelling be a

naughty thing? Why would it be pooh-poohed. " What is this "

generally leads one back to the beginning of IT and then goes in

cycle so It can have something to say " what is this " about. What

is the alternative? It's what IT is. It's what IT does. Not

inseparable. DOing is not such a dirty word you know. Even if

there is Nothing to really be known. Painting a picture

isn't " real " either, but it doesn't stop the painter from going with

it. (fill in the word painting with your act of choice.) Can

consciousness expand? Detract? Change? Aaaah, like it or not

this is part of the game that is IT. Your all here playing at it.

It's what you are. You can try to stop it but it's what you

are. Play on.

 

If you decide not to embark on this everest climb what then? I

know you're all dieing to know. No it can't be stopped because

it's what you are. It can be changed, rearranged into a million

different experiences (dreams or illusions if you prefer that

wording) and the neanderthal dream/experience can change into the

homosapien experience.

Changed yes. Stopped no.

There is a difference.

For those of you who think there is no choice, meditate on that

difference. Or not. Whatever.