Guest guest Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver- 1069@h...> wrote: > > > W: hello Silver, nice to read you. > > > > In my opinion, one does not need to believe in his experience of > > the > > > present moment. The Now is self-evident and requires no one's > > belief > > > in it. > > > > W: yes, this is true because there is noone in the present moment > to > > believe in something, there is just experiencing. > > ****Right. Only by your absence can you become fully present in the > Now. > > > > > > In memory, on the other hand, one can re-live past experiences > but > > > cannot re-experience them in full once they have come and gone. > > > Otherwise, reminiscing about the past would take as long as the > > > actual present experience itself. > > > > > > One remembers small bits and fractions of what happenned but not > > the > > > whole of it. And sometimes one embellishes past experiences with > > > details that didn't actually happen in the real experience at > all. > > > > W: yes, absolutely! but there is noone who embellishes experiences, > > this person is itself a memory. > > ****Good point. One can also wear different coloured hats throughout > the day. The differently coloured hats represent the various roles > we play on a daily basis. We forget that we are not only actors > playing a part in a play but also that we are the audience watching > the play. We get so wrapped up in the show that we forget it's just > a show. The various roles that we play throughout the day are played > by a person who takes itself to be real. Where does the person go > when behind the curtain? What is the person when not acting? The > person is always acting, even off-stage in memory or in dream. We > are role players on one level. > > ****But who is this who notices this all? What is This Here from > which I see everything as it Is? Is it not the Self turning in upon > Itself and listening to the voices of the various characters acting > out their lines in the script? Or maybe not. Maybe, instead, it is > the person reflecting on its own lines in the script, having become > so adept at his craft that he forgets he is just playing a role. w: THESE QUESTIONS NEVER REACH THE PLACE IN WHICH THE ANSWER IS. BETTER SEE THEM FOR WHAT THEY ARE, JUST A PART OF THE MOVIE. > ****As the person I take myself to be - which I am not - I am but a > memory in my own mind; and in the minds of others, I am a memory of > their perception of me. However, I am not the person I take myself > to be. w: YES, FOR SURE! > > > > > Soon, the original experience becomes so distorted that all > > semblence > > > to truth is gone and the original is lost and replaced by a story > > > that now requires belief rather than acceptance. > > > > > > One must believe in past and future experiences but not in > present > > > ones. Past and future are made up of stories we tell ourselves, > > > while present experiences are free from embellishment. You have > no > > > choice but to accept that whatever is happenning to you Now is > > > happenning to YOU. And it is happenning right NOW. Depending on > > how > > > important this moment is to you, soon it will vanish into the > mists > > > of memory, forever locked away in a vault somewhere in your > mind. > > > Otherwise, you will recall it as something that happenned to you > at > > a > > > given point in time. And then you will begin to create a story > > > around the original experience, one that seems believable to you > > and > > > to those you tell it to. > > > > > > One can never re-tell an experience exactly as it happened. So > > many > > > stories of experiences inevitably end with, " Well, I guess you > had > > to > > > be there. " Yeah, I guess I did. > > > > > > Experience is personal to the experiencer. Everyone's experience > > is > > > a personal thing. Only you can be there to experience what is > > going > > > on. Only you can be present to take in all the glory of the > > present > > > moment. > > > > W: the glory of the present moment is the absence of the " me " , > > nothing else. there is noone inside the present moment. > > ****The Now is happening inside me. I am not happening inside the > Now. I am present and absent at the same time when the Now is > happening inside of me. Present to experience it, absent to witness > it. Nisargadatta refers to this as becoming passionately > dispassionate. Or was it dispassionately passionate? Oh well, > either way's good. > > > > > Drink it in! It only lasts for but a fleeting moment. > > > Accept it as it is and as it comes...and goes.... Believe it > > > happened...or not. How often have you said to yourself, " I can't > > > believe this just happened to me? " You don't have to believe > it. > > > It's over now and something else is happening Now. Let the past > be > > > gone. Do away with it. Let it go. Don't hang onto it like a > rock- > > > climber clinging to the face of a cliff for dear life. When you > > let > > > go, you live rather than die. If you cling to the past, you die > > with > > > the past. Personal experience must be seen as impersonal to be > > > appreciated fully. > > > > W: impersonal because the fact that this experience belongs to a > > person is just a concept, just another thought. Not denying > anything, > > seeing this as it is. > > ****Yes and who or what is it that sees this? It is indescribable > because it cannot be correctly perceived. The eye cannot look at the > eye except in the reflected light of a mirror. And so any > conceptualization of who or what does the seeing or witnessing or > whatever you want to call it is going to be dead wrong. It simply > feels like a place deep inside me where heart merges with the nothing > that becomes something and the something that becomes nothing. It > feels that way but at the same time I am aware that this feeling is > transient and only lasts for as long as I am thinking about it. It > vanishes into nothing. Who witnesses all these types of fantasies > and imaginings, somethings becoming nothings? And who or what > notices them vanishing? Who then recalls these vanishings to mind? > And why? > w: YES, YES, THERE IS NO ANSWER! AS YOU SAY: IT VANISHES INTO NOTHING. AND THIS NOTHING IS REALLY NOTHING. IT HAS NO FEATURES: NO SOUND, NO SMELL ,NO TASTE, NO COLOUR...NO-THING. IT IS NOT BEAUTIFULL,IT IS NOT FULFILLING, IT IS NOT " THAT " WE IMAGINED IT TO BE. MM MM...NOTHING! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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