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Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-

1069@h...> wrote:

>

>

> W: hello Silver, nice to read you.

>

> > > In my opinion, one does not need to believe in his experience

of

> > the

> > > present moment. The Now is self-evident and requires no one's

> > belief

> > > in it.

> >

> > W: yes, this is true because there is noone in the present moment

> to

> > believe in something, there is just experiencing.

>

> ****Right. Only by your absence can you become fully present in

the

> Now.

>

> >

> > > In memory, on the other hand, one can re-live past experiences

> but

> > > cannot re-experience them in full once they have come and

gone.

> > > Otherwise, reminiscing about the past would take as long as the

> > > actual present experience itself.

> > >

> > > One remembers small bits and fractions of what happenned but

not

> > the

> > > whole of it. And sometimes one embellishes past experiences

with

> > > details that didn't actually happen in the real experience at

> all.

> >

> > W: yes, absolutely! but there is noone who embellishes

experiences,

> > this person is itself a memory.

>

> ****Good point. One can also wear different coloured hats

throughout

> the day. The differently coloured hats represent the various roles

> we play on a daily basis. We forget that we are not only actors

> playing a part in a play but also that we are the audience watching

> the play. We get so wrapped up in the show that we forget it's

just

> a show. The various roles that we play throughout the day are

played

> by a person who takes itself to be real. Where does the person go

> when behind the curtain? What is the person when not acting? The

> person is always acting, even off-stage in memory or in dream. We

> are role players on one level.

>

> ****But who is this who notices this all? What is This Here from

> which I see everything as it Is? Is it not the Self turning in

upon

> Itself and listening to the voices of the various characters acting

> out their lines in the script? Or maybe not. Maybe, instead, it

is

> the person reflecting on its own lines in the script, having become

> so adept at his craft that he forgets he is just playing a role.

w: THESE QUESTIONS NEVER REACH THE PLACE IN WHICH THE ANSWER IS.

BETTER SEE THEM FOR WHAT THEY ARE, JUST A PART OF THE MOVIE.

 

> ****As the person I take myself to be - which I am not - I am but a

> memory in my own mind; and in the minds of others, I am a memory of

> their perception of me. However, I am not the person I take myself

> to be.

w: YES, FOR SURE!

> >

> > > Soon, the original experience becomes so distorted that all

> > semblence

> > > to truth is gone and the original is lost and replaced by a

story

> > > that now requires belief rather than acceptance.

> > >

> > > One must believe in past and future experiences but not in

> present

> > > ones. Past and future are made up of stories we tell

ourselves,

> > > while present experiences are free from embellishment. You

have

> no

> > > choice but to accept that whatever is happenning to you Now is

> > > happenning to YOU. And it is happenning right NOW. Depending

on

> > how

> > > important this moment is to you, soon it will vanish into the

> mists

> > > of memory, forever locked away in a vault somewhere in your

> mind.

> > > Otherwise, you will recall it as something that happenned to

you

> at

> > a

> > > given point in time. And then you will begin to create a story

> > > around the original experience, one that seems believable to

you

> > and

> > > to those you tell it to.

> > >

> > > One can never re-tell an experience exactly as it happened. So

> > many

> > > stories of experiences inevitably end with, " Well, I guess you

> had

> > to

> > > be there. " Yeah, I guess I did.

> > >

> > > Experience is personal to the experiencer. Everyone's

experience

> > is

> > > a personal thing. Only you can be there to experience what is

> > going

> > > on. Only you can be present to take in all the glory of the

> > present

> > > moment.

> >

> > W: the glory of the present moment is the absence of the " me " ,

> > nothing else. there is noone inside the present moment.

>

> ****The Now is happening inside me. I am not happening inside the

> Now. I am present and absent at the same time when the Now is

> happening inside of me. Present to experience it, absent to

witness

> it. Nisargadatta refers to this as becoming passionately

> dispassionate. Or was it dispassionately passionate? Oh well,

> either way's good.

>

> >

> > Drink it in! It only lasts for but a fleeting moment.

> > > Accept it as it is and as it comes...and goes.... Believe it

> > > happened...or not. How often have you said to yourself, " I

can't

> > > believe this just happened to me? " You don't have to believe

> it.

> > > It's over now and something else is happening Now. Let the

past

> be

> > > gone. Do away with it. Let it go. Don't hang onto it like a

> rock-

> > > climber clinging to the face of a cliff for dear life. When

you

> > let

> > > go, you live rather than die. If you cling to the past, you

die

> > with

> > > the past. Personal experience must be seen as impersonal to be

> > > appreciated fully.

> >

> > W: impersonal because the fact that this experience belongs to a

> > person is just a concept, just another thought. Not denying

> anything,

> > seeing this as it is.

>

> ****Yes and who or what is it that sees this? It is indescribable

> because it cannot be correctly perceived. The eye cannot look at

the

> eye except in the reflected light of a mirror. And so any

> conceptualization of who or what does the seeing or witnessing or

> whatever you want to call it is going to be dead wrong. It simply

> feels like a place deep inside me where heart merges with the

nothing

> that becomes something and the something that becomes nothing. It

> feels that way but at the same time I am aware that this feeling is

> transient and only lasts for as long as I am thinking about it. It

> vanishes into nothing. Who witnesses all these types of fantasies

> and imaginings, somethings becoming nothings? And who or what

> notices them vanishing? Who then recalls these vanishings to

mind?

> And why?

>

w: YES, YES, THERE IS NO ANSWER! AS YOU SAY: IT VANISHES INTO

NOTHING. AND THIS NOTHING IS REALLY NOTHING. IT HAS NO FEATURES: NO

SOUND, NO SMELL ,NO TASTE, NO COLOUR...NO-THING. IT IS NOT

BEAUTIFULL,IT IS NOT FULFILLING, IT IS NOT " THAT " WE IMAGINED IT TO

BE. MM MM...NOTHING!

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