Guest guest Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > ... > > > The word Being explains nothing, but nor does God. Being, however, > has the advantage that it is an open concept. It does not reduce the > infinite invisible to a finite entity. It is impossible to form a > mental image of it. Nobody can claim exclusive possession of Being. > It is your very essence, and it is immediately accessible to you as > the feeling of your own presence, the realization I am that is prior > to I am this or I am that. So it is only a small step from the word > Being to the experience of Being. > > > ... > > The good news is that you can free yourself from your mind. This is > the only true liberation. You can take the first step right now. > Start listening to the voice in your head as often as you can. Pay > particular attention to any repetitive thought patterns, those old > gramophone records that have been playing in your head perhaps for > many years. This is what I mean by " watching the thinker, " which is > another way of saying: listen to the voice in your head, be there as > the witnessing presence. > > When you listen to that voice, listen to it impartially. > That is to say, do not judge. Do not judge or condemn what you hear, > for doing so would mean that the same voice has come in again > through the back door. You'll soon realize: there is the voice, and > here I am listening to it, watching it. This I am realization, this > sense of your own presence, is not a thought. It arises from beyond > the mind. W: well, AC, if it arises from beyond the mind, it means that it comes and goes, so what is the difference between a common thought and this that is called here sense of presence? if there is, it is irrilevant, they both come and go. greetings from the beyond > > > > Full article at < http://www.thinkingpeace.com/Lib/lib078.html > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > The word Being explains nothing, but nor does God. Being, however, > > has the advantage that it is an open concept. It does not reduce > the > > infinite invisible to a finite entity. It is impossible to form a > > mental image of it. Nobody can claim exclusive possession of Being. > > It is your very essence, and it is immediately accessible to you as > > the feeling of your own presence, the realization I am that is > prior > > to I am this or I am that. So it is only a small step from the word > > Being to the experience of Being. > > > > > > ... > > > > The good news is that you can free yourself from your mind. This is > > the only true liberation. You can take the first step right now. > > Start listening to the voice in your head as often as you can. Pay > > particular attention to any repetitive thought patterns, those old > > gramophone records that have been playing in your head perhaps for > > many years. This is what I mean by " watching the thinker, " which is > > another way of saying: listen to the voice in your head, be there > as > > the witnessing presence. > > > > When you listen to that voice, listen to it impartially. > > That is to say, do not judge. Do not judge or condemn what you > hear, > > for doing so would mean that the same voice has come in again > > through the back door. You'll soon realize: there is the voice, and > > here I am listening to it, watching it. This I am realization, this > > sense of your own presence, is not a thought. > > > It arises from beyond > > the mind. > > W: well, AC, if it arises from beyond the mind, it means that it > comes and goes, Could you explain how you came to this conclusion by reading what Tolle wrote? > so what is the difference between a common thought > and this that is called here sense of presence? Do you know 'sense of presence'? Do you feel 'alive', 'aware'? .... Do you know " thoughts " ? .... If yess, you know the differance too! If no, which one you don't know... thoughts or awareness? > if there is, it is irrilevant, they both come and go. > greetings from the beyond Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 .... >>>>The word Being explains nothing, but nor does God. Being, however, has the advantage that it is an open concept. It does not reduce the infinite invisible to a finite entity. It is impossible to form a mental image of it. Nobody can claim exclusive possession of Being. It is your very essence, and it is immediately accessible to you as the feeling of your own presence, the realization I am that is prior to I am this or I am that. So it is only a small step from the word Being to the experience of Being. .... >>>>The good news is that you can free yourself from your mind. This is the only true liberation. You can take the first step right now. Start listening to the voice in your head as often as you can. Pay particular attention to any repetitive thought patterns, those old gramophone records that have been playing in your head perhaps for many years. This is what I mean by " watching the thinker, " which is another way of saying: listen to the voice in your head, be there as the witnessing presence. >>>> When you listen to that voice, listen to it impartially. That is to say, do not judge. Do not judge or condemn what you hear, for doing so would mean that the same voice has come in again through the back door. You'll soon realize: there is the voice, and here I am listening to it, watching it. This I am realization, this sense of your own presence, is not a thought. It arises from beyond the mind. >>W: well, AC, if it arises from beyond the mind, it means that it comes and goes, I am not sure I can draw the conclusion of " it comes and goes " from what Tolle writes. It is more like the light of sun that can get obscured by the clouds and get uncovered again. >>so what is the difference between a common thought and this that is called here sense of presence? Do you have the sense of being 'alive'? Do you have the sense of being 'aware'? If you do... then, you already know the difference. [...] >>>>Full article at < http://www.thinkingpeace.com/Lib/lib078.html > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > > >>W: well, AC, if it arises from beyond the mind, it means that it > comes and goes, > > I am not sure I can draw the conclusion of " it comes and goes " > from what Tolle writes. It is more like the light of sun that > can get obscured by the clouds and get uncovered again. W: neither i am sure but i derived it from the verb used, " arises " . >>so what is the difference between a common thought > and this that is called here sense of presence? > > Do you have the sense of being 'alive'? > Do you have the sense of being 'aware'? > > If you do... then, you already know the difference. > > [...] > W:i know that there is no difference. and you, what do you know? > > > >>>>Full article at < http://www.thinkingpeace.com/Lib/lib078.html > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > >>W: well, AC, if it arises from beyond the mind, it means that it > > comes and goes, > > > > I am not sure I can draw the conclusion of " it comes and goes " > > from what Tolle writes. It is more like the light of sun that > > can get obscured by the clouds and get uncovered again. > > W: neither i am sure but i derived it from the verb used, " arises " . ok. It might be a common language term like... " sun rises in east " . But, as we know... Sun neither rises nor sets but keeps shining uninterrupted. It appears to rise and set only because... we move in other direction and thus become 'unable' to see it and then we move in its direction and become 'able' to see it again! > > > >>so what is the difference between a common thought > > and this that is called here sense of presence? > > > > Do you have the sense of being 'alive'? > > Do you have the sense of being 'aware'? > > > > If you do... then, you already know the difference. > > > > [...] > > > > > W:i know that there is no difference. and you, what do you know? I know the differance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > > > >>W: well, AC, if it arises from beyond the mind, it means that > it > > > comes and goes, > > > > > > I am not sure I can draw the conclusion of " it comes and goes " > > > from what Tolle writes. It is more like the light of sun that > > > can get obscured by the clouds and get uncovered again. > > > > W: neither i am sure but i derived it from the verb used, " arises " . > > ok. > > It might be a common language term > like... " sun rises in east " . > > But, as we know... Sun neither > rises nor sets but keeps shining > uninterrupted. It appears to rise > and set only because... > > we move in other direction and > thus become 'unable' to see it and > then we move in its direction and > become 'able' to see it again! > > > > > > > > > >>so what is the difference between a common thought > > > and this that is called here sense of presence? > > > > > > Do you have the sense of being 'alive'? > > > Do you have the sense of being 'aware'? > > > > > > If you do... then, you already know the difference. > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > > > > W:i know that there is no difference. and you, what do you know? > > I know the differance. > good meeting being the " I " the same one here and there! it sems that difference is not so important for " I " ,mmm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > The word Being explains nothing, but nor does God. Being, > however, > > > has the advantage that it is an open concept. It does not reduce > > the > > > infinite invisible to a finite entity. It is impossible to form > a > > > mental image of it. Nobody can claim exclusive possession of > Being. > > > It is your very essence, and it is immediately accessible to you > as > > > the feeling of your own presence, the realization I am that is > > prior > > > to I am this or I am that. So it is only a small step from the > word > > > Being to the experience of Being. > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > The good news is that you can free yourself from your mind. This > is > > > the only true liberation. You can take the first step right now. > > > Start listening to the voice in your head as often as you can. > Pay > > > particular attention to any repetitive thought patterns, those > old > > > gramophone records that have been playing in your head perhaps > for > > > many years. This is what I mean by " watching the thinker, " which > is > > > another way of saying: listen to the voice in your head, be > there > > as > > > the witnessing presence. > > > > > > When you listen to that voice, listen to it impartially. > > > That is to say, do not judge. Do not judge or condemn what you > > hear, > > > for doing so would mean that the same voice has come in again > > > through the back door. You'll soon realize: there is the voice, > and > > > here I am listening to it, watching it. This I am realization, > this > > > sense of your own presence, is not a thought. > > > > > > It arises from beyond > > > the mind. > > > > W: well, AC, if it arises from beyond the mind, it means that it > > comes and goes, > > Could you explain how you came > to this conclusion by reading > what Tolle wrote? > W: AS I WROTE FROM THE VERB " ARISES " , HOWEVER YOU WROTE IT I GUESS! > > so what is the difference between a common thought > > and this that is called here sense of presence? > > Do you know 'sense of presence'? > > Do you feel 'alive', 'aware'? > > ... > > > Do you know " thoughts " ? > > ... > > > If yess, you know the differance too! > > If no, which one you don't know... > thoughts or awareness? w: ALL THIS IS BASED ON SOME BELIEVES THAT HAS ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF, OR VALIDITY. DO YOU THINK THAT AWARENESS CAN BE KNOWN??? > > > > > if there is, it is irrilevant, they both come and go. > > greetings from the beyond > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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