Guest guest Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 AdvaitaToZen , " billrishel " <illusyn@g...> wrote: > > > > > If you want, you can clarify what > > you meant by " self-consciousness " . > > It is not easy to say, actually. If you find it difficult to say, perhaps, I can then, be forgiven for not being able to understand what you meant by it! > Roughly, I mean the kind of " self-consciousness " > one might feel if one feels one is being observed > by others, or if another makes a statement about > one. I call that *ego*. I think many other uses the same word to describe it too! Do you find it necessary or useful to use as word like " self-consciousness " to describe it? I think it can confuse many. If you just used word like *ego* which is commonly used to describe it, there might be less confusion. And, I think many will easily understand it. The condition [ego] you describe above is quite commonly experienced and understood. It is the sense of " I am x " and then constantly thinking and worrying about that 'X' without realizing that 'X' is simply my creation that I create in my own thoughts! It includes thoughts like I am x this person with this height, this weight, this look, this education, this much money and... this one likes me, this one doesn't. > > After a particularly astonishing " seeing " ... > I really don't know how to describe it... Based on what you describe above, I don't find it that hard to understand. Many have seen disappearance and appearance of ego [wrong identification]. It is not a constant thing and it survival depends on thinking alone. The moment you stop thinking, it ceases to exist too. Many see it *non existent* most of the times. Many other see it disappear in... meditation, Samadhi as well as in... love and pure joy! > but it > was a profound insight of a very startling nature... Sure... It is indeed quite *startling* when you notice it [disappearance of ego] for the first time! It is an incredible Relief! As if I big burden has been suddenly taken of and now, for the first time... you are Free! > the subsequent day I noticed that something was > quite different. And the term that I found most apt > -- at that time -- was that there was no self-consciousness. > There was no sense of " this is me doing this " ... > It is as if the " me " were gone. As I see it... You experienced disappearance of ego and this I can understand quite easily [opposite to losing *self-consciousness* and still being there to know that disappearance!] Ego does disappear because, it doesn't really exist. It is simply a product of thinking. No thinking... no ego. What is real... never disappears! [NNB] > > It may seem odd to say, " *I* sensed that the sense > of *me* was gone. " But there was no " sense of I " > either. " I say I " as a manner of speaking. To say > " I am saying this " does not imply any *sense* of 'I'. > > Bill > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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