Guest guest Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 On Jan 31, 2006, at 4:25 AM, Nisargadatta wrote: > K: I have never had conflict in my life. > P: Ha, ha! Easy for him to say! He never > worked for a living, he didn't even carried > money. All his needs were provided for him. > He was a big baby all his life! If he had to > be a cashier at a burger stand, there would > have been plenty of conflicts. I know, I'm retired > now, I have no conflicts either, because I > depend on no one to eat. Don't get me > wrong K was a sage, but he also had it made. Hi Pete, I think it's rather easy to casually dismiss " K " as " having it made " and that " He was a big baby all his life " , by saying people catered to him, etc. Your short summary doesn't take into account the extreme pressure put upon him to study and undergo severe disciplines, the physical beatings he endured while being groomed to be the " World Teacher " , the death of Nityananda (his beloved brother), the pressure put on by the press referring to him as the " World Savior " and the " New Messiah " and being the Head of a worldwide organization called the " Star Of The East " , not to mention speaking to thousands of individuals almost daily year in and year out along with his constant stream of speaking engagements worldwide. Also, his death due to extremely painful cancer of the pancreas. (I was in Ojai working for the Krishnamurti Foundation during the last few weeks of his life.) I read that prior to the internet and mass conferencing, he spoke to more human beings than any person in history. I sure don't think that's " easy stuff " to do and have done! Plus, there's much more that went on in his " personal " life to support what I've just mentioned. So to write him off as a " big baby " seems absolutely ludicrous to me. Do you think you'd " have it made " if you went through his struggles and demands? I think not. Michael Adamson Adamson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 Actually no one knows what anyone else is going through. Bill > On Jan 31, 2006, at 4:25 AM, Nisargadatta wrote: > > > K: I have never had conflict in my life. > > > P: Ha, ha! Easy for him to say! He never > > worked for a living, he didn't even carried > > money. All his needs were provided for him. > > He was a big baby all his life! If he had to > > be a cashier at a burger stand, there would > > have been plenty of conflicts. I know, I'm retired > > now, I have no conflicts either, because I > > depend on no one to eat. Don't get me > > wrong K was a sage, but he also had it made. > > Hi Pete, > > I think it's rather easy to casually dismiss " K " as " having it made " and that " He was a big baby all his life " , by > saying people catered to him, etc. Your short summary doesn't take into account the extreme pressure put upon him to study > and undergo severe disciplines, the physical beatings he endured while being groomed to be the " World Teacher " , the death of > Nityananda (his beloved brother), the pressure put on by the press referring to him as the " World Savior " and the " New > Messiah " and being the Head of a worldwide organization called the " Star Of The East " , not to mention speaking to thousands > of individuals almost daily year in and year out along with his constant stream of speaking engagements worldwide. Also, his > death due to extremely painful cancer of the pancreas. (I was in Ojai working for the Krishnamurti Foundation during the last > few weeks of his life.) > > I read that prior to the internet and mass conferencing, he spoke to more human beings than any person in history. I > sure don't think that's " easy stuff " to do and have done! Plus, there's much more that went on in his " personal " life to > support what I've just mentioned. So to write him off as a " big baby " seems absolutely ludicrous to me. Do you think you'd > " have it made " if you went through his struggles and demands? I think not. > > Michael Adamson > Adamson@s... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 Hi all, Imho, quoting " I have never had conflict in my life " is taken out of context. What proceeded or followed that sentence? Secondly, regardless who one is, that particular set of conditions and eventualities that are worn as I Am since birth ARE tentamount to the highly selective processes and processing, the experiencing of that individuated self; including thoughts, feelings, body, geographic location, etc. Call it the " History-her/his-story. Who knows how the great saints, yogis gurus would have evolved in the west, in these particular conditions. Who knows who I would be in the East, under those particular conditions. I, for one, care not to elevate or dismiss anyone. If your car breaks down and it is a Mercedes Benz or it's a 'junker', in either case you are carless and need to repair the vehicle. It's always a question of who drives the vehicle. Ana - " Adamson " <adamson <Nisargadatta > Tuesday, January 31, 2006 3:49 PM On " K " never having conflict. Another view! > > > On Jan 31, 2006, at 4:25 AM, Nisargadatta wrote: > >> K: I have never had conflict in my life. > >> P: Ha, ha! Easy for him to say! He never >> worked for a living, he didn't even carried >> money. All his needs were provided for him. >> He was a big baby all his life! If he had to >> be a cashier at a burger stand, there would >> have been plenty of conflicts. I know, I'm retired >> now, I have no conflicts either, because I >> depend on no one to eat. Don't get me >> wrong K was a sage, but he also had it made. > > Hi Pete, > > I think it's rather easy to casually dismiss " K " as " having it made " > and that " He was a big baby all his life " , by > saying people catered to him, etc. Your short summary doesn't take into > account the extreme pressure put upon him to study > and undergo severe disciplines, the physical beatings he endured while > being groomed to be the " World Teacher " , the death of > Nityananda (his beloved brother), the pressure put on by the press > referring to him as the " World Savior " and the " New > Messiah " and being the Head of a worldwide organization called the " Star > Of The East " , not to mention speaking to thousands > of individuals almost daily year in and year out along with his constant > stream of speaking engagements worldwide. Also, his > death due to extremely painful cancer of the pancreas. (I was in Ojai > working for the Krishnamurti Foundation during the last > few weeks of his life.) > > I read that prior to the internet and mass conferencing, he spoke to > more human beings than any person in history. I > sure don't think that's " easy stuff " to do and have done! Plus, there's > much more that went on in his " personal " life to > support what I've just mentioned. So to write him off as a " big baby " > seems absolutely ludicrous to me. Do you think you'd > " have it made " if you went through his struggles and demands? I think > not. > > Michael Adamson > Adamson ** > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your > subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: > > /mygroups?edit=1 > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta > group and click on Save Changes. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 Can you imagine being the focal point of thousands of confused creatures, that project all kind of non-sense on you, that expect their salvation throught you, that are always looking at the weak point etc. etc.. Be a leader once in your life, go to the very center of your being, radiate it and see the pressure for yourself before you even have a mild critique toward others. Patricia --- Adamson <adamson a écrit : > > > On Jan 31, 2006, at 4:25 AM, > Nisargadatta wrote: > > > K: I have never had conflict in my life. > > > P: Ha, ha! Easy for him to say! He never > > worked for a living, he didn't even carried > > money. All his needs were provided for him. > > He was a big baby all his life! If he had to > > be a cashier at a burger stand, there would > > have been plenty of conflicts. I know, I'm retired > > now, I have no conflicts either, because I > > depend on no one to eat. Don't get me > > wrong K was a sage, but he also had it made. > > Hi Pete, > > I think it's rather easy to casually dismiss > " K " as " having it made " and that " He was a big baby > all his life " , by > saying people catered to him, etc. Your short > summary doesn't take into account the extreme > pressure put upon him to study > and undergo severe disciplines, the physical > beatings he endured while being groomed to be the > " World Teacher " , the death of > Nityananda (his beloved brother), the pressure put > on by the press referring to him as the " World > Savior " and the " New > Messiah " and being the Head of a worldwide > organization called the " Star Of The East " , not to > mention speaking to thousands > of individuals almost daily year in and year out > along with his constant stream of speaking > engagements worldwide. Also, his > death due to extremely painful cancer of the > pancreas. (I was in Ojai working for the > Krishnamurti Foundation during the last > few weeks of his life.) > > I read that prior to the internet and mass > conferencing, he spoke to more human beings than any > person in history. I > sure don't think that's " easy stuff " to do and have > done! Plus, there's much more that went on in his > " personal " life to > support what I've just mentioned. So to write him > off as a " big baby " seems absolutely ludicrous to > me. Do you think you'd > " have it made " if you went through his struggles and > demands? I think not. > > Michael Adamson > Adamson > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige wrote: > > Can you imagine being the focal point of thousands of > confused creatures, that project all kind of non-sense > on you, that expect their salvation throught you, that > are always looking at the weak point etc. etc.. > Be a leader once in your life, go to the very center > of your being, radiate it and see the pressure for > yourself before you even have a mild critique toward > others. > Patricia well, if that was the life of J.Krishnajii I immediately change my mind: I do not want any more to be like him and i am so happy to be born in the most unenlightened country of the planet! Patricia, critique are never towards others, always towards yourself! > --- Adamson <adamson a écrit : > > > > > > > On Jan 31, 2006, at 4:25 AM, > > Nisargadatta wrote: > > > > > K: I have never had conflict in my life. > > > > > P: Ha, ha! Easy for him to say! He never > > > worked for a living, he didn't even carried > > > money. All his needs were provided for him. > > > He was a big baby all his life! If he had to > > > be a cashier at a burger stand, there would > > > have been plenty of conflicts. I know, I'm retired > > > now, I have no conflicts either, because I > > > depend on no one to eat. Don't get me > > > wrong K was a sage, but he also had it made. > > > > Hi Pete, > > > > I think it's rather easy to casually dismiss > > " K " as " having it made " and that " He was a big baby > > all his life " , by > > saying people catered to him, etc. Your short > > summary doesn't take into account the extreme > > pressure put upon him to study > > and undergo severe disciplines, the physical > > beatings he endured while being groomed to be the > > " World Teacher " , the death of > > Nityananda (his beloved brother), the pressure put > > on by the press referring to him as the " World > > Savior " and the " New > > Messiah " and being the Head of a worldwide > > organization called the " Star Of The East " , not to > > mention speaking to thousands > > of individuals almost daily year in and year out > > along with his constant stream of speaking > > engagements worldwide. Also, his > > death due to extremely painful cancer of the > > pancreas. (I was in Ojai working for the > > Krishnamurti Foundation during the last > > few weeks of his life.) > > > > I read that prior to the internet and mass > > conferencing, he spoke to more human beings than any > > person in history. I > > sure don't think that's " easy stuff " to do and have > > done! Plus, there's much more that went on in his > > " personal " life to > > support what I've just mentioned. So to write him > > off as a " big baby " seems absolutely ludicrous to > > me. Do you think you'd > > " have it made " if you went through his struggles and > > demands? I think not. > > > > Michael Adamson > > Adamson > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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