Guest guest Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > > > > > AC, > > > > > > Ever had an anesthesia ? > > > > Yes. But, local anesthetics only and maybe, 2-3 times only. > > > > > Or been in coma ? > > > > No. > > > > But, I did have 'sleep' many, many times! > > Does that qualify for anything? > > > > > Yes ? I don't believe you, else you no longer would dare to speak > > of > > > a " knower " . > > > > Question that I see is: > > > > " Who " is in 'coma' - I AM or the 'body'? > > > > There are people [bodies] that are unable to see or hear. > > But, are they different at the base level or, is it just > > that some of the senses 'belonging to their body' are > > not functioning? > > > > What about someone who loses his memory? > > > > Does the base awareness disappears or just some > > neurons in the brain [belonging to a body] that > > lose part of their functionality? > > > > ... > > > > Now, imagine a state where the brain [belonging > > to a 'body'] loses all its sense perception and thus > > can't hear, see and can't feel any physical sensation... > > > > > > Do you think the base Awareness itself disappears > > in that case? > > > > ... > > > > If I don't feel 'body'... does > > it mean I am not Aware? > > > > > > What about those who claim to feel 'bodiless'? > > > > [What about those cases, where some people > > some people got operated without > > any anesthetics because, they were able to > > disconnect from a body part and stop > > feeling it when needed?] > > > > ... > > > > > > Do you see I AM as a physical body? > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > IT IS A DISCUSSION BASED ON NOTHING! > YOU ARE ASSUMING A MAKING QUESTION FROM A PLACE IN WHICH YOU THINK TO > KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT THE KNOWER. PUT IT INTO DISCUSSION, BECAUSE IT > IS JUST ANOTHER CONCEPT. NO REAL KNOWING IS POSSIBLE. how about " God " ....does " God " know realy something? ....or does one know " God " because there is no real knowing? .....or does the ones who know to don't real know something belief in " God " ...? or....does " God " ever " think " about something? i belief that " God " know very well about....everything....and so, also, that there is nobody else existing.....who could know the same Marc Ps: please don't care about my beliefs... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > AC, > > > > > > > > Ever had an anesthesia ? > > > > > > Yes. But, local anesthetics only and maybe, 2-3 times only. > > > > > > > Or been in coma ? > > > > > > No. > > > > > > But, I did have 'sleep' many, many times! > > > Does that qualify for anything? > > > > > > > Yes ? I don't believe you, else you no longer would dare to > speak > > > of > > > > a " knower " . > > > > > > Question that I see is: > > > > > > " Who " is in 'coma' - I AM or the 'body'? > > > > > > There are people [bodies] that are unable to see or hear. > > > But, are they different at the base level or, is it just > > > that some of the senses 'belonging to their body' are > > > not functioning? > > > > > > What about someone who loses his memory? > > > > > > Does the base awareness disappears or just some > > > neurons in the brain [belonging to a body] that > > > lose part of their functionality? > > > > > > ... > > > > > > Now, imagine a state where the brain [belonging > > > to a 'body'] loses all its sense perception and thus > > > can't hear, see and can't feel any physical sensation... > > > > > > > > > Do you think the base Awareness itself disappears > > > in that case? > > > > > > ... > > > > > > If I don't feel 'body'... does > > > it mean I am not Aware? > > > > > > > > > What about those who claim to feel 'bodiless'? > > > > > > [What about those cases, where some people > > > some people got operated without > > > any anesthetics because, they were able to > > > disconnect from a body part and stop > > > feeling it when needed?] > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > Do you see I AM as a physical body? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > IT IS A DISCUSSION BASED ON NOTHING! > > YOU ARE ASSUMING A MAKING QUESTION FROM A PLACE IN WHICH YOU THINK > TO > > KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT THE KNOWER. PUT IT INTO DISCUSSION, BECAUSE IT > > IS JUST ANOTHER CONCEPT. NO REAL KNOWING IS POSSIBLE. > > how about " God " ....does " God " know realy something? > > ...or does one know " God " because there is no real knowing? > > ....or does the ones who know to don't real know something belief > in " God " ...? > > or....does " God " ever " think " about something? > > i belief that " God " know very well about....everything....and so, > also, that there is nobody else existing.....who could know the same > > Marc > > Ps: please don't care about my beliefs... > > Thank you for making me smile Marc, and, ok, i won't care... i really don't know what to say about those question, so...better don't care! > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AC, > > > > > > > > > > Ever had an anesthesia ? > > > > > > > > Yes. But, local anesthetics only and maybe, 2-3 times only. > > > > > > > > > Or been in coma ? > > > > > > > > No. > > > > > > > > But, I did have 'sleep' many, many times! > > > > Does that qualify for anything? > > > > > > > > > Yes ? I don't believe you, else you no longer would dare to > > speak > > > > of > > > > > a " knower " . > > > > > > > > Question that I see is: > > > > > > > > " Who " is in 'coma' - I AM or the 'body'? > > > > > > > > There are people [bodies] that are unable to see or hear. > > > > But, are they different at the base level or, is it just > > > > that some of the senses 'belonging to their body' are > > > > not functioning? > > > > > > > > What about someone who loses his memory? > > > > > > > > Does the base awareness disappears or just some > > > > neurons in the brain [belonging to a body] that > > > > lose part of their functionality? > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > Now, imagine a state where the brain [belonging > > > > to a 'body'] loses all its sense perception and thus > > > > can't hear, see and can't feel any physical sensation... > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you think the base Awareness itself disappears > > > > in that case? > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > If I don't feel 'body'... does > > > > it mean I am not Aware? > > > > > > > > > > > > What about those who claim to feel 'bodiless'? > > > > > > > > [What about those cases, where some people > > > > some people got operated without > > > > any anesthetics because, they were able to > > > > disconnect from a body part and stop > > > > feeling it when needed?] > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you see I AM as a physical body? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > IT IS A DISCUSSION BASED ON NOTHING! > > > YOU ARE ASSUMING A MAKING QUESTION FROM A PLACE IN WHICH YOU > THINK > > TO > > > KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT THE KNOWER. PUT IT INTO DISCUSSION, BECAUSE > IT > > > IS JUST ANOTHER CONCEPT. NO REAL KNOWING IS POSSIBLE. > > > > how about " God " ....does " God " know realy something? > > > > ...or does one know " God " because there is no real knowing? > > > > ....or does the ones who know to don't real know something belief > > in " God " ...? > > > > or....does " God " ever " think " about something? > > > > i belief that " God " know very well about....everything....and so, > > also, that there is nobody else existing.....who could know the same > > > > Marc > > > > Ps: please don't care about my beliefs... > > > > > > > Thank you for making me smile Marc, and, ok, i won't care... > > > i really don't know what to say about those question, so...better > don't care! ok bigwaaba......maybe another time.....when your mind is clearer then........means when there is a chance to " know " something.... Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > good thought Werner.... you are right.....there is a " God " in the world conception only..... and yes....who cares about the world... except a foolish mind.....busy " thinking " .....to " know nothing " ...... Marc > Hey Marc, > > I told you already: Beware of thinking. > > 'God' is only an assumption, a concept, an idea. You cannot use an > assumption to lend another assumption the smell of reality. > > assumption + assumption = confusion > > Werner > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AC, > > > > > > > > > > Ever had an anesthesia ? > > > > > > > > Yes. But, local anesthetics only and maybe, 2-3 times only. > > > > > > > > > Or been in coma ? > > > > > > > > No. > > > > > > > > But, I did have 'sleep' many, many times! > > > > Does that qualify for anything? > > > > > > > > > Yes ? I don't believe you, else you no longer would dare to > > speak > > > > of > > > > > a " knower " . > > > > > > > > Question that I see is: > > > > > > > > " Who " is in 'coma' - I AM or the 'body'? > > > > > > > > There are people [bodies] that are unable to see or hear. > > > > But, are they different at the base level or, is it just > > > > that some of the senses 'belonging to their body' are > > > > not functioning? > > > > > > > > What about someone who loses his memory? > > > > > > > > Does the base awareness disappears or just some > > > > neurons in the brain [belonging to a body] that > > > > lose part of their functionality? > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > Now, imagine a state where the brain [belonging > > > > to a 'body'] loses all its sense perception and thus > > > > can't hear, see and can't feel any physical sensation... > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you think the base Awareness itself disappears > > > > in that case? > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > If I don't feel 'body'... does > > > > it mean I am not Aware? > > > > > > > > > > > > What about those who claim to feel 'bodiless'? > > > > > > > > [What about those cases, where some people > > > > some people got operated without > > > > any anesthetics because, they were able to > > > > disconnect from a body part and stop > > > > feeling it when needed?] > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you see I AM as a physical body? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > IT IS A DISCUSSION BASED ON NOTHING! > > > YOU ARE ASSUMING A MAKING QUESTION FROM A PLACE IN WHICH YOU > THINK > > TO > > > KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT THE KNOWER. PUT IT INTO DISCUSSION, BECAUSE > IT > > > IS JUST ANOTHER CONCEPT. NO REAL KNOWING IS POSSIBLE. > > > > how about " God " ....does " God " know realy something? > > > > ...or does one know " God " because there is no real knowing? > > > > ....or does the ones who know to don't real know something belief > > in " God " ...? > > > > or....does " God " ever " think " about something? > > > > i belief that " God " know very well about....everything....and so, > > also, that there is nobody else existing.....who could know the same > > > > Marc > > > > Ps: please don't care about my beliefs... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 Marc, Intelligence can only perfectly work with facts. If one offers one's intelligence all life through just illusions, assunptions, ideas, hopes, concepts, then how can one gain clairy ? It is impossible. The word fact derives from the Latin 'facere', to make, to do. Example, when it rains then the streets get wet. That is a fact. In the meantime I have developed some kind of sensitivity when I am starting to get confused when thinking. And that confusion happens often and my usual reaction is to say to the subject I got confused about: Fuck you Werner Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > > > good thought Werner.... > > you are right.....there is a " God " in the world conception only..... > > and yes....who cares about the world... > > except a foolish mind.....busy " thinking " .....to " know > nothing " ...... > > Marc > > > Hey Marc, > > > > I told you already: Beware of thinking. > > > > 'God' is only an assumption, a concept, an idea. You cannot use an > > assumption to lend another assumption the smell of reality. > > > > assumption + assumption = confusion > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > > > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AC, > > > > > > > > > > > > Ever had an anesthesia ? > > > > > > > > > > Yes. But, local anesthetics only and maybe, 2-3 times only. > > > > > > > > > > > Or been in coma ? > > > > > > > > > > No. > > > > > > > > > > But, I did have 'sleep' many, many times! > > > > > Does that qualify for anything? > > > > > > > > > > > Yes ? I don't believe you, else you no longer would dare to > > > speak > > > > > of > > > > > > a " knower " . > > > > > > > > > > Question that I see is: > > > > > > > > > > " Who " is in 'coma' - I AM or the 'body'? > > > > > > > > > > There are people [bodies] that are unable to see or hear. > > > > > But, are they different at the base level or, is it just > > > > > that some of the senses 'belonging to their body' are > > > > > not functioning? > > > > > > > > > > What about someone who loses his memory? > > > > > > > > > > Does the base awareness disappears or just some > > > > > neurons in the brain [belonging to a body] that > > > > > lose part of their functionality? > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > Now, imagine a state where the brain [belonging > > > > > to a 'body'] loses all its sense perception and thus > > > > > can't hear, see and can't feel any physical sensation... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you think the base Awareness itself disappears > > > > > in that case? > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > If I don't feel 'body'... does > > > > > it mean I am not Aware? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What about those who claim to feel 'bodiless'? > > > > > > > > > > [What about those cases, where some people > > > > > some people got operated without > > > > > any anesthetics because, they were able to > > > > > disconnect from a body part and stop > > > > > feeling it when needed?] > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you see I AM as a physical body? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > IT IS A DISCUSSION BASED ON NOTHING! > > > > YOU ARE ASSUMING A MAKING QUESTION FROM A PLACE IN WHICH YOU > > THINK > > > TO > > > > KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT THE KNOWER. PUT IT INTO DISCUSSION, > BECAUSE > > IT > > > > IS JUST ANOTHER CONCEPT. NO REAL KNOWING IS POSSIBLE. > > > > > > how about " God " ....does " God " know realy something? > > > > > > ...or does one know " God " because there is no real knowing? > > > > > > ....or does the ones who know to don't real know something belief > > > in " God " ...? > > > > > > or....does " God " ever " think " about something? > > > > > > i belief that " God " know very well about....everything....and so, > > > also, that there is nobody else existing.....who could know the > same > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > Ps: please don't care about my beliefs... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > Werner, nice attitude..... what do you think when it's raining?.... LOL Marc > > Intelligence can only perfectly work with facts. If one offers one's > intelligence all life through just illusions, assunptions, ideas, > hopes, concepts, then how can one gain clairy ? It is impossible. > > The word fact derives from the Latin 'facere', to make, to do. > Example, when it rains then the streets get wet. That is a fact. > > In the meantime I have developed some kind of sensitivity when I am > starting to get confused when thinking. And that confusion happens > often and my usual reaction is to say to the subject I got confused > about: Fuck you > > Werner > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > good thought Werner.... > > > > you are right.....there is a " God " in the world conception only..... > > > > and yes....who cares about the world... > > > > except a foolish mind.....busy " thinking " .....to " know > > nothing " ...... > > > > Marc > > > > > Hey Marc, > > > > > > I told you already: Beware of thinking. > > > > > > 'God' is only an assumption, a concept, an idea. You cannot use an > > > assumption to lend another assumption the smell of reality. > > > > > > assumption + assumption = confusion > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > > > > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AC, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ever had an anesthesia ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. But, local anesthetics only and maybe, 2-3 times only. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or been in coma ? > > > > > > > > > > > > No. > > > > > > > > > > > > But, I did have 'sleep' many, many times! > > > > > > Does that qualify for anything? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes ? I don't believe you, else you no longer would dare > to > > > > speak > > > > > > of > > > > > > > a " knower " . > > > > > > > > > > > > Question that I see is: > > > > > > > > > > > > " Who " is in 'coma' - I AM or the 'body'? > > > > > > > > > > > > There are people [bodies] that are unable to see or hear. > > > > > > But, are they different at the base level or, is it just > > > > > > that some of the senses 'belonging to their body' are > > > > > > not functioning? > > > > > > > > > > > > What about someone who loses his memory? > > > > > > > > > > > > Does the base awareness disappears or just some > > > > > > neurons in the brain [belonging to a body] that > > > > > > lose part of their functionality? > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, imagine a state where the brain [belonging > > > > > > to a 'body'] loses all its sense perception and thus > > > > > > can't hear, see and can't feel any physical sensation... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you think the base Awareness itself disappears > > > > > > in that case? > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > If I don't feel 'body'... does > > > > > > it mean I am not Aware? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What about those who claim to feel 'bodiless'? > > > > > > > > > > > > [What about those cases, where some people > > > > > > some people got operated without > > > > > > any anesthetics because, they were able to > > > > > > disconnect from a body part and stop > > > > > > feeling it when needed?] > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you see I AM as a physical body? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IT IS A DISCUSSION BASED ON NOTHING! > > > > > YOU ARE ASSUMING A MAKING QUESTION FROM A PLACE IN WHICH YOU > > > THINK > > > > TO > > > > > KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT THE KNOWER. PUT IT INTO DISCUSSION, > > BECAUSE > > > IT > > > > > IS JUST ANOTHER CONCEPT. NO REAL KNOWING IS POSSIBLE. > > > > > > > > how about " God " ....does " God " know realy something? > > > > > > > > ...or does one know " God " because there is no real knowing? > > > > > > > > ....or does the ones who know to don't real know something > belief > > > > in " God " ...? > > > > > > > > or....does " God " ever " think " about something? > > > > > > > > i belief that " God " know very well about....everything....and > so, > > > > also, that there is nobody else existing.....who could know the > > same > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > Ps: please don't care about my beliefs... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > > > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AC, > > > > > > > > > > > > Ever had an anesthesia ? > > > > > > > > > > Yes. But, local anesthetics only and maybe, 2-3 times only. > > > > > > > > > > > Or been in coma ? > > > > > > > > > > No. > > > > > > > > > > But, I did have 'sleep' many, many times! > > > > > Does that qualify for anything? > > > > > > > > > > > Yes ? I don't believe you, else you no longer would dare to > > > speak > > > > > of > > > > > > a " knower " . > > > > > > > > > > Question that I see is: > > > > > > > > > > " Who " is in 'coma' - I AM or the 'body'? > > > > > > > > > > There are people [bodies] that are unable to see or hear. > > > > > But, are they different at the base level or, is it just > > > > > that some of the senses 'belonging to their body' are > > > > > not functioning? > > > > > > > > > > What about someone who loses his memory? > > > > > > > > > > Does the base awareness disappears or just some > > > > > neurons in the brain [belonging to a body] that > > > > > lose part of their functionality? > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > Now, imagine a state where the brain [belonging > > > > > to a 'body'] loses all its sense perception and thus > > > > > can't hear, see and can't feel any physical sensation... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you think the base Awareness itself disappears > > > > > in that case? > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > If I don't feel 'body'... does > > > > > it mean I am not Aware? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What about those who claim to feel 'bodiless'? > > > > > > > > > > [What about those cases, where some people > > > > > some people got operated without > > > > > any anesthetics because, they were able to > > > > > disconnect from a body part and stop > > > > > feeling it when needed?] > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you see I AM as a physical body? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > IT IS A DISCUSSION BASED ON NOTHING! > > > > YOU ARE ASSUMING A MAKING QUESTION FROM A PLACE IN WHICH YOU > > THINK > > > TO > > > > KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT THE KNOWER. PUT IT INTO DISCUSSION, > BECAUSE > > IT > > > > IS JUST ANOTHER CONCEPT. NO REAL KNOWING IS POSSIBLE. > > > > > > how about " God " ....does " God " know realy something? > > > > > > ...or does one know " God " because there is no real knowing? > > > > > > ....or does the ones who know to don't real know something belief > > > in " God " ...? > > > > > > or....does " God " ever " think " about something? > > > > > > i belief that " God " know very well about....everything....and so, > > > also, that there is nobody else existing.....who could know the > same > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > Ps: please don't care about my beliefs... > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for making me smile Marc, and, ok, i won't care... > > > > > > i really don't know what to say about those question, so...better > > don't care! > > ok bigwaaba......maybe another time.....when your mind is clearer > then........means when there is a chance to " know " something.... > > Marc > > ok, now i'm clearer first of all, questions about god have to be asked to god. that's the best advice i can give, and it is just good sense. so if you believe in God, better ask God and have the right answer without passing through a medium. as for me i do not know anything about God, but there is a lot of information about also in the web. yours > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > > > > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AC, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ever had an anesthesia ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. But, local anesthetics only and maybe, 2-3 times only. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or been in coma ? > > > > > > > > > > > > No. > > > > > > > > > > > > But, I did have 'sleep' many, many times! > > > > > > Does that qualify for anything? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes ? I don't believe you, else you no longer would dare > to > > > > speak > > > > > > of > > > > > > > a " knower " . > > > > > > > > > > > > Question that I see is: > > > > > > > > > > > > " Who " is in 'coma' - I AM or the 'body'? > > > > > > > > > > > > There are people [bodies] that are unable to see or hear. > > > > > > But, are they different at the base level or, is it just > > > > > > that some of the senses 'belonging to their body' are > > > > > > not functioning? > > > > > > > > > > > > What about someone who loses his memory? > > > > > > > > > > > > Does the base awareness disappears or just some > > > > > > neurons in the brain [belonging to a body] that > > > > > > lose part of their functionality? > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, imagine a state where the brain [belonging > > > > > > to a 'body'] loses all its sense perception and thus > > > > > > can't hear, see and can't feel any physical sensation... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you think the base Awareness itself disappears > > > > > > in that case? > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > If I don't feel 'body'... does > > > > > > it mean I am not Aware? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What about those who claim to feel 'bodiless'? > > > > > > > > > > > > [What about those cases, where some people > > > > > > some people got operated without > > > > > > any anesthetics because, they were able to > > > > > > disconnect from a body part and stop > > > > > > feeling it when needed?] > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you see I AM as a physical body? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IT IS A DISCUSSION BASED ON NOTHING! > > > > > YOU ARE ASSUMING A MAKING QUESTION FROM A PLACE IN WHICH YOU > > > THINK > > > > TO > > > > > KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT THE KNOWER. PUT IT INTO DISCUSSION, > > BECAUSE > > > IT > > > > > IS JUST ANOTHER CONCEPT. NO REAL KNOWING IS POSSIBLE. > > > > > > > > how about " God " ....does " God " know realy something? > > > > > > > > ...or does one know " God " because there is no real knowing? > > > > > > > > ....or does the ones who know to don't real know something > belief > > > > in " God " ...? > > > > > > > > or....does " God " ever " think " about something? > > > > > > > > i belief that " God " know very well about....everything....and > so, > > > > also, that there is nobody else existing.....who could know the > > same > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > Ps: please don't care about my beliefs... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for making me smile Marc, and, ok, i won't care... > > > > > > > > > i really don't know what to say about those question, > so...better > > > don't care! > > > > ok bigwaaba......maybe another time.....when your mind is clearer > > then........means when there is a chance to " know " something.... > > > > Marc > > > > > > ok, now i'm clearer > > first of all, questions about god have to be asked to god. that's the > best advice i can give, and it is just good sense. > > so if you believe in God, better ask God and have the right answer > without passing through a medium. > as for me i do not know anything about God, but there is a lot of > information about also in the web. > > yours ok...i will phone to God and will see... ciao for now > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " > <bigwaaba> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > > > > > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AC, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ever had an anesthesia ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. But, local anesthetics only and maybe, 2-3 times > only. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or been in coma ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But, I did have 'sleep' many, many times! > > > > > > > Does that qualify for anything? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes ? I don't believe you, else you no longer would > dare > > to > > > > > speak > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > a " knower " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Question that I see is: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Who " is in 'coma' - I AM or the 'body'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are people [bodies] that are unable to see or hear. > > > > > > > But, are they different at the base level or, is it just > > > > > > > that some of the senses 'belonging to their body' are > > > > > > > not functioning? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What about someone who loses his memory? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does the base awareness disappears or just some > > > > > > > neurons in the brain [belonging to a body] that > > > > > > > lose part of their functionality? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, imagine a state where the brain [belonging > > > > > > > to a 'body'] loses all its sense perception and thus > > > > > > > can't hear, see and can't feel any physical sensation... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you think the base Awareness itself disappears > > > > > > > in that case? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I don't feel 'body'... does > > > > > > > it mean I am not Aware? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What about those who claim to feel 'bodiless'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [What about those cases, where some people > > > > > > > some people got operated without > > > > > > > any anesthetics because, they were able to > > > > > > > disconnect from a body part and stop > > > > > > > feeling it when needed?] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you see I AM as a physical body? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IT IS A DISCUSSION BASED ON NOTHING! > > > > > > YOU ARE ASSUMING A MAKING QUESTION FROM A PLACE IN WHICH > YOU > > > > THINK > > > > > TO > > > > > > KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT THE KNOWER. PUT IT INTO DISCUSSION, > > > BECAUSE > > > > IT > > > > > > IS JUST ANOTHER CONCEPT. NO REAL KNOWING IS POSSIBLE. > > > > > > > > > > how about " God " ....does " God " know realy something? > > > > > > > > > > ...or does one know " God " because there is no real knowing? > > > > > > > > > > ....or does the ones who know to don't real know something > > belief > > > > > in " God " ...? > > > > > > > > > > or....does " God " ever " think " about something? > > > > > > > > > > i belief that " God " know very well about....everything....and > > so, > > > > > also, that there is nobody else existing.....who could know > the > > > same > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > Ps: please don't care about my beliefs... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for making me smile Marc, and, ok, i won't care... > > > > > > > > > > > > i really don't know what to say about those question, > > so...better > > > > don't care! > > > > > > ok bigwaaba......maybe another time.....when your mind is clearer > > > then........means when there is a chance to " know " something.... > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > ok, now i'm clearer > > > > first of all, questions about god have to be asked to god. that's > the > > best advice i can give, and it is just good sense. > > > > so if you believe in God, better ask God and have the right answer > > without passing through a medium. > > as for me i do not know anything about God, but there is a lot of > > information about also in the web. > > > > yours > > ok...i will phone to God and will see... > > ciao for now Marc, How did you get my phone number!? I meant to ask you that during our telephone conversation but I forgot. " Silver " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver- 1069@h...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " > > <bigwaaba> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > > > > > > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AC, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ever had an anesthesia ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. But, local anesthetics only and maybe, 2-3 times > > only. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or been in coma ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But, I did have 'sleep' many, many times! > > > > > > > > Does that qualify for anything? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes ? I don't believe you, else you no longer would > > dare > > > to > > > > > > speak > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > a " knower " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Question that I see is: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Who " is in 'coma' - I AM or the 'body'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are people [bodies] that are unable to see or > hear. > > > > > > > > But, are they different at the base level or, is it just > > > > > > > > that some of the senses 'belonging to their body' are > > > > > > > > not functioning? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What about someone who loses his memory? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does the base awareness disappears or just some > > > > > > > > neurons in the brain [belonging to a body] that > > > > > > > > lose part of their functionality? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, imagine a state where the brain [belonging > > > > > > > > to a 'body'] loses all its sense perception and thus > > > > > > > > can't hear, see and can't feel any physical sensation... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you think the base Awareness itself disappears > > > > > > > > in that case? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I don't feel 'body'... does > > > > > > > > it mean I am not Aware? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What about those who claim to feel 'bodiless'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [What about those cases, where some people > > > > > > > > some people got operated without > > > > > > > > any anesthetics because, they were able to > > > > > > > > disconnect from a body part and stop > > > > > > > > feeling it when needed?] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you see I AM as a physical body? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IT IS A DISCUSSION BASED ON NOTHING! > > > > > > > YOU ARE ASSUMING A MAKING QUESTION FROM A PLACE IN WHICH > > YOU > > > > > THINK > > > > > > TO > > > > > > > KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT THE KNOWER. PUT IT INTO DISCUSSION, > > > > BECAUSE > > > > > IT > > > > > > > IS JUST ANOTHER CONCEPT. NO REAL KNOWING IS POSSIBLE. > > > > > > > > > > > > how about " God " ....does " God " know realy something? > > > > > > > > > > > > ...or does one know " God " because there is no real knowing? > > > > > > > > > > > > ....or does the ones who know to don't real know something > > > belief > > > > > > in " God " ...? > > > > > > > > > > > > or....does " God " ever " think " about something? > > > > > > > > > > > > i belief that " God " know very well > about....everything....and > > > so, > > > > > > also, that there is nobody else existing.....who could know > > the > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: please don't care about my beliefs... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for making me smile Marc, and, ok, i won't care... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i really don't know what to say about those question, > > > so...better > > > > > don't care! > > > > > > > > ok bigwaaba......maybe another time.....when your mind is > clearer > > > > then........means when there is a chance to " know " > something.... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok, now i'm clearer > > > > > > first of all, questions about god have to be asked to god. that's > > the > > > best advice i can give, and it is just good sense. > > > > > > so if you believe in God, better ask God and have the right > answer > > > without passing through a medium. > > > as for me i do not know anything about God, but there is a lot of > > > information about also in the web. > > > > > > yours > > > > ok...i will phone to God and will see... > > > > ciao for now > > Marc, > > How did you get my phone number!? I meant to ask you that during our > telephone conversation but I forgot. > > " Silver " , there is a direct line to God....24hours a day.... i dialed " Silver " ....and got you....funny, no? Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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