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Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr

wrote:

>

 

Hi Werner,

 

if there is no witness.....how do you think, could as for example J.

Krishnamurti describe....what he " see " ....and " how " he " see " .....

 

indeed....he would not " see " the difference between

the " flower " ....and " Werner " .....when his eyes are focused on

Self......

 

maybe he also could witness the non-sense people are trapped in......

 

but by the attention focused on Self.......he is outside this world

 

 

Marc

 

 

> The illusion of a witnesing entity arises because the mind was

> trained to use the body as the referennce for " I " and those

> associated personal nouns.

>

> Besides that illusion there is no witness.

>

> Werner

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@>

wrote:

> > >

> >

> > Hi Bill,

> >

> > you write:

> > > one is aware of witness Self (by which one get the opportunity

> > > to " see " something)

> > > >>>

> > > So witness Self is aware of witness Self?

> >

> > -no....the ego-mind.....means, this your body-mind-

intellect....can

> > be aware of witness Self....

> >

> > one day....when ego-mind is reduced to a wonderful....and

complete

> > emptyness.....

> > then you are Self......but then the world (ego-mind) is no

> more......

> > or little maybe....only....sometimes.......to play with

> words.....as

> > for example....ot to just live life....in nice peace and freedom

> > >

> > > <<<

> > > -one is aware of oneself (only) and knowing that being in One

> world

> > > with the " other one " ....at this same time....connected and

related

> > > and...and...

> > > >>>

> > > you are saying one is aware of oneself and at the

> > > same time aware of a relatedness connection with another?

> >

> > what could be a " relatedness connection " ?

> > >

> > >you write:

> > > But it is also possible for there to be no awareness

> > > " of oneself " per se, for there to be awareness/consciousness

> > > without any sense of " this pertains to myself " and " that

> > > pertains to the other " .

> >

> > yes....no awarness of oneself is happening at same time when

there

> is

> > awareness of Self....(first option)

> > as i told before....awareness of Self....let this " oneself " and

the

> > world appear like a " nothingness " .... " unreal " .... " reflections " ....

> > when this happen...then there is " no other " .....there is nothing

> but

> > Self....

> > but This Self......is formless, changeless.....it's a complete

> > emptyness......of illusions .....it's No mind

> > >

> >

> > you write:

> > > What I am saying there, though, is very strange and impossible

> > > to imagine. Once the " sense of oneself " disappears then

> > > the same sort of things seem to go on, but it is irrevokably

> > > different as well.

> >

> > it isn't very strange.....

> > once the " sense of oneself " disappear.....life goes on.....

> > with little difference......

> > there is no need to safe the world or care for endless

> ambitions......

> >

> > all This things.....let this your

> > mentionned....flame.....burning......

> >

> > it is like the air this flame need to burn.....but it is no

> > more.......the air itself

> >

> >

> > Marc

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> >

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