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Marc,

 

Is there a see-er, a hear-er, a listen-er, a feel-er, a smell-er, a

thinker ?

 

Or is there just seeing, hearing, listening, feeling, smelling,

thinking etc ?

 

The idea of a witness is to install a separate entity doing all this.

 

Werner

 

 

Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@>

> wrote:

> >

>

> Hi Werner,

>

> if there is no witness.....how do you think, could as for example

J.

> Krishnamurti describe....what he " see " ....and " how " he " see " .....

>

> indeed....he would not " see " the difference between

> the " flower " ....and " Werner " .....when his eyes are focused on

> Self......

>

> maybe he also could witness the non-sense people are trapped

in......

>

> but by the attention focused on Self.......he is outside this world

>

>

> Marc

>

>

> > The illusion of a witnesing entity arises because the mind was

> > trained to use the body as the referennce for " I " and those

> > associated personal nouns.

> >

> > Besides that illusion there is no witness.

> >

> > Werner

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@>

> wrote:

> > > >

> > >

> > > Hi Bill,

> > >

> > > you write:

> > > > one is aware of witness Self (by which one get the opportunity

> > > > to " see " something)

> > > > >>>

> > > > So witness Self is aware of witness Self?

> > >

> > > -no....the ego-mind.....means, this your body-mind-

> intellect....can

> > > be aware of witness Self....

> > >

> > > one day....when ego-mind is reduced to a wonderful....and

> complete

> > > emptyness.....

> > > then you are Self......but then the world (ego-mind) is no

> > more......

> > > or little maybe....only....sometimes.......to play with

> > words.....as

> > > for example....ot to just live life....in nice peace and freedom

> > > >

> > > > <<<

> > > > -one is aware of oneself (only) and knowing that being in One

> > world

> > > > with the " other one " ....at this same time....connected and

> related

> > > > and...and...

> > > > >>>

> > > > you are saying one is aware of oneself and at the

> > > > same time aware of a relatedness connection with another?

> > >

> > > what could be a " relatedness connection " ?

> > > >

> > > >you write:

> > > > But it is also possible for there to be no awareness

> > > > " of oneself " per se, for there to be awareness/consciousness

> > > > without any sense of " this pertains to myself " and " that

> > > > pertains to the other " .

> > >

> > > yes....no awarness of oneself is happening at same time when

> there

> > is

> > > awareness of Self....(first option)

> > > as i told before....awareness of Self....let this " oneself " and

> the

> > > world appear like

a " nothingness " .... " unreal " .... " reflections " ....

> > > when this happen...then there is " no other " .....there is

nothing

> > but

> > > Self....

> > > but This Self......is formless, changeless.....it's a complete

> > > emptyness......of illusions .....it's No mind

> > > >

> > >

> > > you write:

> > > > What I am saying there, though, is very strange and impossible

> > > > to imagine. Once the " sense of oneself " disappears then

> > > > the same sort of things seem to go on, but it is irrevokably

> > > > different as well.

> > >

> > > it isn't very strange.....

> > > once the " sense of oneself " disappear.....life goes on.....

> > > with little difference......

> > > there is no need to safe the world or care for endless

> > ambitions......

> > >

> > > all This things.....let this your

> > > mentionned....flame.....burning......

> > >

> > > it is like the air this flame need to burn.....but it is no

> > > more.......the air itself

> > >

> > >

> > > Marc

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

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