Guest guest Posted February 5, 2006 Report Share Posted February 5, 2006 Lol, Werner!!!! I shall have to write home to " Mom Earth " about that one. I thought I was the Supreme Being. Fuck! I'm going to have to contend with another rival. " Silver " Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Only partly playing with Google, Siver, > > I was searching " Maharaj Supreme Self " and found Omikron23 on > Wikipedia (in German). > > Werner > > > Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver- > 1069@> wrote: > > > > Werner, are you playing with your google again? > > > > Okay, I admit it: I was playing with mine, too. Square wave, > > Omikron? > > > > " Silver " > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi Omikron23 > > > > > > As I could see on Wikipedia you called yourself a " spiritual > > > Anarchist " . Do such people als have a Supreme Self ? > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " omikron23 " <omikron23@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " omikron23 " <omikron23@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >>>I really need some help. > > > > > >>W: guess who is gonna give it to you! > > > > > >You won't apparently. You cannot give what you don't have. > > > > > > > > > > Look a bit deeper into what you just said and you may find > the > > > deeper > > > > > meaning of it all: > > > > > > > > I look much deeler than you can possibly imagine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who knows no-thing > > > > > > > > Nobody knows nothing. > > > > > > > > No mind knows nothing. > > > > > > > > > how should he be able > > > > > > > > Nothing cannot give. > > > > > > > > > to give it to you... > > > > > > > > Nothing is not supposed to give it to something. > > > > > > > > > how should one be able > > > > > > > > Ability belongs to the something. > > > > > > > > > even if he wanted > > > > > > > > Will is of the mind. > > > > > > > > > to give what cannot be > > > > > > > > The Supreme is destined to give meaning. > > > > > > > > > possessed > > > > > > > > Illusions may be possessed > > > > > > > > for a while > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>I may also put this differently: Why am I only aware of > what > > I > > > am > > > > > >>>aware of, and not what you and everybody else is aware of > at > > > the > > > > > >>>same time? > > > > > >> > > > > > >>W: Because you are the Supreme Self. > > > > > > > > > > Hey, thats the best answer one could give... much better than > my > > > > > detailed reply on your question. If you think a bit more > about > > it > > > you > > > > > may find that you have answered that question already > yourself, > > > > > several times. > > > > > > > > No I have not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Imitating Nisargadatta doesn't fit you well. > > > > > > > > > > He surely doesn't, you dont know him yet. Did not you bring > the > > > > > " supreme self " onto the table here? ;-))) > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta did. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have a nice sunday > > > > > stefan > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing I ever have neither sunday nor the sun. > > > > > > > > Sometimes it may touch me > > > > > > > > for I give meaning to it. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2006 Report Share Posted February 5, 2006 Nisargadatta , " omikron23 " <omikron23 wrote: > > Well I guess the sickness nowadays seems to be universal. Humanity > seems to be caught up in some kind of collective madness. Actually > there are three states of mind: > > 1: insane > 2: normal > 3: healthy > > As far is I am concerned I would call myself unsane. But then in a > world having gone insane it may be a really bad sign being called normal. > > I may look into your group. Thanks for your reply. > ********* You're quite welcome. Having had your first taste, now you can begin the " courageous " work in earnest. Like Nisargadatta said, to go beyond yourself, you have to know yourself. Judi TheEndOfTheRopeRanch/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2006 Report Share Posted February 5, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Judi Rhodes " <judirhodes wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " omikron23 " <omikron23@> > wrote: > > > > Well I guess the sickness nowadays seems to be universal. Humanity > > seems to be caught up in some kind of collective madness. Actually > > there are three states of mind: > > > > 1: insane > > 2: normal > > 3: healthy > > > > As far is I am concerned I would call myself unsane. But then in a > > world having gone insane it may be a really bad sign being called > normal. > > > > I may look into your group. Thanks for your reply. > > > > ********* > You're quite welcome. Having had your first taste, > now you can begin the " courageous " work in earnest. > > Like Nisargadatta said, to go beyond yourself, you have to know > yourself. > > Judi > TheEndOfTheRopeRanch/ > *************** " Separateness " is lack of integrity, and inquiry into one's own " lack of integrity " brings about, or " accomplishes " one's own end, a " dismantling " . So, understanding, " death " of the separate one, comes down to a matter of integrity, brutal self honesty. And if you'll notice also, these folks have no shame of themselves when they're shown their lovelesness. And if they have no shame, there is no way on god's green earth that they'll ever be able to transcend it, they live in denial. No conscience. And without conscience, the self-structure cannot be dismantled. Without conscience, without shame of themselves, it keeps them forever going in " angry " circles. If there is to be an end to it, what is to be bring it down, other than through the shame of it themselves? Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2006 Report Share Posted February 5, 2006 " omikron23 " <omikron23 Re: Trapped in a Bubble of Consciousness... I may also put this differently: Why am I only aware of what I am > > aware of, and not what you and everybody else is aware of at the > same > > time? Hey, I found out sumthin interesting yesterday; my brow chakra calibrates well into the range of enlightenment on the Hawkins calibration of consciousness scale. WooHooo!! My brow is enlightened! Hehe. Oh, but........the rest of me isn't. Oops! Hehe. So what's the point? Only that, if we can all agree that none of us knows our ass from a hole in the ground, we can sit around and have some fun with concepts that have nothing at all to do with Absolute Truth. For example, we can ponder just what it is that Awareness is " aware of " . Hmmmm, awareness is the totality of all that is and there is nothing but awareness. Given that hypothetical contextual conceptualization, awareness is not " aware of " anything; it simply IS awareness itself. To be 'aware of' something, one must seemingly not be that which one is aware of. Since Awareness itself can't play that game, consciousness arises out of awareness as the experiential aspect of God. Why do it do dat? God is infinite potentiality, and consciousness is one of those potentialities, and potentialities tend to actualize. IOW, it does it cause it can. So, what is required in order to be qualified for the job of experiential aspect of God? Well, first you have to give up your day job as supreme, omnipotent, omniscient Allness and become a somethingness that can sit behind the counter and witness other bits and pieces of somethingness come in and out the door. IOW, experiencing, by it's nature, is the experience of something that denies the experience of everything. Experiencing is the birth of separation and the creation of endless dualities, stuff being experienced through the perceiving mind that identifies stuff by comparing stuff to other stuff and figuring out what stuff it's like and what stuff it's just the opposite to, stuff like that. So the silly question might arise, why can't an experiencer experience everything that everyone else experiences since all the experiencers are just pimples growing on the same consciousness, and consciousness is what we all really are, rather than individual experiencers? We could say that the total summed experience of all experiencers is equivalent to the total experiential aspect of God, or consciousness itself, but take a gander at what that consists of. There are 6.5 billion human experiencers alone. Although the kind of consciousness is different, animals, plants minerals and even subatomic particles are part of the experiential aspect of God. Multiply this by every celestial object in every universe in every dimension throughout all time and cram that into the single moment of Now and tell me what that experience looks like. Damn, I have trouble slowing my own thoughts down! I'm not even gonna go there, and God can't go there either, which is why you are here and why you will never know the experiential reality of anybody else's experience but your own. God is not a concept, not a thought, not a perception, not an experience. God IS, I AM, get over it. It's far too simple for any of us to comprehend, which never stopped us from trying. Phil PS, on that 'enjoying flaming others' thang, I highly recommend taking a really close look see at that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 whenever one is trapped in a bubble of consciousness... it's time to go out of trap... the only time to step out of consciousness.....means, to step out of being trapped.....is.....now different ways to loose " consciousness about... " ......means, time and space - consciousness.....(included boby-mind-intellect).... 1) fall in love to another (trapped) consciousness.... this would fill up the heart with some peace and timelessness.... for some duration of time 2)fall in love to " God " ....the only " real being " ......because is formless, changless,infinite....and so, a secure place " to be " 3)getting in touch to Self....by the effect of 1) and 2) 4) " understanding " truth by the teachings of (inner) Self.... 5)development of " awareness " .....means, to make the difference between " trapp and non-trapp " ....between Self and Non-Self 6)just be yourSelf, always only few bubbles of consciousness..... so i don't believe that it's possible to get out of bubbles.....in reading other bubbles.... wish a nice day Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 Marc, Did you ever step out of 'trapped consciousness' ? No ? Then why do you give advices you yourself can't fulfill ? And, what kind of nonsense is that 'trapped consciousness' ? I would say it is absolute unbelievable baloney, bla bla gobbledygook. Werner Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > > > whenever one is trapped in a bubble of consciousness... > it's time to go out of trap... > > the only time to step out of consciousness.....means, to step out of > being trapped.....is.....now > > different ways to loose " consciousness about... " ......means, time and > space - consciousness.....(included boby-mind-intellect).... > > 1) fall in love to another (trapped) consciousness.... > this would fill up the heart with some peace and timelessness.... > for some duration of time > 2)fall in love to " God " ....the only " real being " ......because is > formless, changless,infinite....and so, a secure place " to be " > 3)getting in touch to Self....by the effect of 1) and 2) > 4) " understanding " truth by the teachings of (inner) Self.... > 5)development of " awareness " .....means, to make the difference > between " trapp and non-trapp " ....between Self and Non-Self > 6)just be yourSelf, always > > > only few bubbles of consciousness..... > so i don't believe that it's possible to get out of bubbles.....in > reading other bubbles.... > > wish a nice day > > Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > Hi Werner, how are you? you seem to know everything about the subject....about me......and...and..... i'm wondering if you also know everything about yourSelf..... Werner, please tell me..... " who are you " ....? thanks for a sincere answer Marc > Marc, > > Did you ever step out of 'trapped consciousness' ? No ? Then why do > you give advices you yourself can't fulfill ? > > And, what kind of nonsense is that 'trapped consciousness' ? I would > say it is absolute unbelievable baloney, bla bla gobbledygook. > > Werner > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > whenever one is trapped in a bubble of consciousness... > > it's time to go out of trap... > > > > the only time to step out of consciousness.....means, to step out > of > > being trapped.....is.....now > > > > different ways to loose " consciousness about... " ......means, time > and > > space - consciousness.....(included boby-mind-intellect).... > > > > 1) fall in love to another (trapped) consciousness.... > > this would fill up the heart with some peace and timelessness.... > > for some duration of time > > 2)fall in love to " God " ....the only " real being " ......because is > > formless, changless,infinite....and so, a secure place " to be " > > 3)getting in touch to Self....by the effect of 1) and 2) > > 4) " understanding " truth by the teachings of (inner) Self.... > > 5)development of " awareness " .....means, to make the difference > > between " trapp and non-trapp " ....between Self and Non-Self > > 6)just be yourSelf, always > > > > > > only few bubbles of consciousness..... > > so i don't believe that it's possible to get out of bubbles.....in > > reading other bubbles.... > > > > wish a nice day > > > > Marc > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 Marc, What kind of crap is this 'trapped consiousness' ? 1) There is consciousness 2) There is a trap And wooooom - dumb consciousness fell into that trap, how come ? Werner Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > wrote: > > > > Hi Werner, > > how are you? > > you seem to know everything about the subject....about > me......and...and..... > > i'm wondering if you also know everything about yourSelf..... > > Werner, please tell me..... " who are you " ....? > > thanks for a sincere answer > > Marc > > > > Marc, > > > > Did you ever step out of 'trapped consciousness' ? No ? Then why do > > you give advices you yourself can't fulfill ? > > > > And, what kind of nonsense is that 'trapped consciousness' ? I > would > > say it is absolute unbelievable baloney, bla bla gobbledygook. > > > > Werner > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > whenever one is trapped in a bubble of consciousness... > > > it's time to go out of trap... > > > > > > the only time to step out of consciousness.....means, to step out > > of > > > being trapped.....is.....now > > > > > > different ways to loose " consciousness about... " ......means, time > > and > > > space - consciousness.....(included boby-mind-intellect).... > > > > > > 1) fall in love to another (trapped) consciousness.... > > > this would fill up the heart with some peace and timelessness.... > > > for some duration of time > > > 2)fall in love to " God " ....the only " real being " ......because is > > > formless, changless,infinite....and so, a secure place " to be " > > > 3)getting in touch to Self....by the effect of 1) and 2) > > > 4) " understanding " truth by the teachings of (inner) Self.... > > > 5)development of " awareness " .....means, to make the difference > > > between " trapp and non-trapp " ....between Self and Non-Self > > > 6)just be yourSelf, always > > > > > > > > > only few bubbles of consciousness..... > > > so i don't believe that it's possible to get out of > bubbles.....in > > > reading other bubbles.... > > > > > > wish a nice day > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > Werner, what is your consciousness about? Marc > Marc, > > What kind of crap is this 'trapped consiousness' ? > > 1) There is consciousness > 2) There is a trap > > And wooooom - dumb consciousness fell into that trap, how come ? > > Werner > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Werner, > > > > how are you? > > > > you seem to know everything about the subject....about > > me......and...and..... > > > > i'm wondering if you also know everything about yourSelf..... > > > > Werner, please tell me..... " who are you " ....? > > > > thanks for a sincere answer > > > > Marc > > > > > > > Marc, > > > > > > Did you ever step out of 'trapped consciousness' ? No ? Then why > do > > > you give advices you yourself can't fulfill ? > > > > > > And, what kind of nonsense is that 'trapped consciousness' ? I > > would > > > say it is absolute unbelievable baloney, bla bla gobbledygook. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whenever one is trapped in a bubble of consciousness... > > > > it's time to go out of trap... > > > > > > > > the only time to step out of consciousness.....means, to step > out > > > of > > > > being trapped.....is.....now > > > > > > > > different ways to loose " consciousness about... " ......means, > time > > > and > > > > space - consciousness.....(included boby-mind-intellect).... > > > > > > > > 1) fall in love to another (trapped) consciousness.... > > > > this would fill up the heart with some peace and > timelessness.... > > > > for some duration of time > > > > 2)fall in love to " God " ....the only " real being " ......because > is > > > > formless, changless,infinite....and so, a secure place " to be " > > > > 3)getting in touch to Self....by the effect of 1) and 2) > > > > 4) " understanding " truth by the teachings of (inner) Self.... > > > > 5)development of " awareness " .....means, to make the difference > > > > between " trapp and non-trapp " ....between Self and Non-Self > > > > 6)just be yourSelf, always > > > > > > > > > > > > only few bubbles of consciousness..... > > > > so i don't believe that it's possible to get out of > > bubbles.....in > > > > reading other bubbles.... > > > > > > > > wish a nice day > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 Marc, Consciousness is its content. No content, no consciousness. Read the following and think about it: There are cases of people whose complete visual functions are ok but these people nevertheless are blind. They are blind because the conncection between that part of the brain which is processing visual data and the visual part of the frontal lobe is demaged. The processed data cannot get conscious and so the result is blindness. The interesting thing now is that these people can walk in a room without bumnping against furniture or at any objects there. If one hits with one's fist towards their face they quickly will bend their head aside and when asked why they did that they don't know, they just felt to act that way. Which means, these people do see but they cannot communicate what they see because that consciousness for vision is dead. But their body reacts in a normal autonomous way as if seeing. Then what for does one need consciousness ? The answer is simple, consciousness is only needed for communcation. Consciousness is a social function. All those wonderful godly, holy and great spiritual ideas about consciousness are just fancy romantic illusions. We are social beings, the larger part of our brain just exists for social reasons. Consciousness is one's subjective personal view of the world and this world human beings are exchanging and communicating amomg themselves. Werner Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > wrote: > > > > Werner, > > what is your consciousness about? > > Marc > > > Marc, > > > > What kind of crap is this 'trapped consiousness' ? > > > > 1) There is consciousness > > 2) There is a trap > > > > And wooooom - dumb consciousness fell into that trap, how come ? > > > > Werner > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Werner, > > > > > > how are you? > > > > > > you seem to know everything about the subject....about > > > me......and...and..... > > > > > > i'm wondering if you also know everything about yourSelf..... > > > > > > Werner, please tell me..... " who are you " ....? > > > > > > thanks for a sincere answer > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > Marc, > > > > > > > > Did you ever step out of 'trapped consciousness' ? No ? Then > why > > do > > > > you give advices you yourself can't fulfill ? > > > > > > > > And, what kind of nonsense is that 'trapped consciousness' ? I > > > would > > > > say it is absolute unbelievable baloney, bla bla gobbledygook. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whenever one is trapped in a bubble of consciousness... > > > > > it's time to go out of trap... > > > > > > > > > > the only time to step out of consciousness.....means, to step > > out > > > > of > > > > > being trapped.....is.....now > > > > > > > > > > different ways to loose " consciousness about... " ......means, > > time > > > > and > > > > > space - consciousness.....(included boby-mind-intellect).... > > > > > > > > > > 1) fall in love to another (trapped) consciousness.... > > > > > this would fill up the heart with some peace and > > timelessness.... > > > > > for some duration of time > > > > > 2)fall in love to " God " ....the only " real being " ......because > > is > > > > > formless, changless,infinite....and so, a secure place " to be " > > > > > 3)getting in touch to Self....by the effect of 1) and 2) > > > > > 4) " understanding " truth by the teachings of (inner) Self.... > > > > > 5)development of " awareness " .....means, to make the > difference > > > > > between " trapp and non-trapp " ....between Self and Non-Self > > > > > 6)just be yourSelf, always > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only few bubbles of consciousness..... > > > > > so i don't believe that it's possible to get out of > > > bubbles.....in > > > > > reading other bubbles.... > > > > > > > > > > wish a nice day > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Marc, > > Consciousness is its content. No content, no consciousness. > > yes....thats it.... sure that one need consciousness to communicate..... some people they live in emptyness....nothingness.....no-mind..... they prefer Silence.....because it's not possible for them to communicate with others.....because they are not conscious about " others " ......for them....there are " no others " ...... I don't believe that this people are " trapped " ......because there is No content.....means, no world-consciousness and maybe, at this point.....we have different " views " ..... but i don't feel to describe your words as " crap " for this reason.... anyway....the consciousness of an individual person....is always in conflict with " others " .......because in reality.....this others are fiction only we are One......Self..... " Werner " .... " Marc " ......is nothing but illusion...... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 Marc, What a crap all that is. We convers about consciousness and not if you or me or Mr. Bush is an illusion - when looking at Iraq then G.W. Bush definitely is no illusion. Back to this: The content of your consciousness is absolute subjective and there is no second consciousness in this world containing the same content. During communication your subjectivity (in respect to these contents) and my subjectivity meet and we are exchanging and sharing our private view of the world and it is most likely that we never will have a consensus. You cannot deny this. So, all that incredible spiritual fancy gibbersih about consciousness is just day-dreaming rubbish. Werner Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > wrote: > > > > Marc, > > > > Consciousness is its content. No content, no consciousness. > > > > > > yes....thats it.... > > sure that one need consciousness to communicate..... > > some people they live in emptyness....nothingness.....no-mind..... > they prefer Silence.....because it's not possible for them to > communicate with others.....because they are not conscious > about " others " ......for them....there are " no others " ...... > > I don't believe that this people are " trapped " ......because there is > No content.....means, no world-consciousness > > and maybe, at this point.....we have different " views " ..... > > but i don't feel to describe your words as " crap " for this reason.... > > anyway....the consciousness of an individual person....is always in > conflict with " others " .......because in reality.....this others are > fiction only > > we are One......Self..... > > " Werner " .... " Marc " ......is nothing but illusion...... > > Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > Werner, " What a crap all that is. We convers about consciousness and not if > you or me or Mr. Bush is an illusion - when looking at Iraq then G.W. > Bush definitely is no illusion. " - if your world consciousness is switch On....yes, this our forms appear to be real.....like the form of Bush does and yes....now that we talk " illusion " .....this your mentionned person is maybe one of the most famous....trapped person existing..... inside this our consciousness.... " Back to this: > The content of your consciousness is absolute subjective and there is > no second consciousness in this world containing the same content. -yes....but due to the Fact that we communicate.....there must exist a consciousness of Oneness.....which let all this " different and individual " consciousness relate....and so, is responsible to solve " conflicts " .....which only arise....because of " individual consiousness " > " During communication your subjectivity (in respect to these contents) > and my subjectivity meet and we are exchanging and sharing our > private view of the world and it is most likely that we never will > have a consensus. > > You cannot deny this. -i don't agree.... due to this One consciousness....which relate all with all.....in this world bubble....... there is no other chance to become.....one day.....aware of this Oneness-consciousness.......and so, by chance.....dissolve this illusion of individual consciousness.... which create full time conflicts......with mind-fictions " So, all that incredible spiritual fancy gibbersih about consciousness > is just day-dreaming rubbish. " no...it's the only way out of this your ego-minded fiction called " Werner " ....or " Marc " Marc > > Werner > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Marc, > > > > > > Consciousness is its content. No content, no consciousness. > > > > > > > > > > yes....thats it.... > > > > sure that one need consciousness to communicate..... > > > > some people they live in emptyness....nothingness.....no-mind..... > > they prefer Silence.....because it's not possible for them to > > communicate with others.....because they are not conscious > > about " others " ......for them....there are " no others " ...... > > > > I don't believe that this people are " trapped " ......because there > is > > No content.....means, no world-consciousness > > > > and maybe, at this point.....we have different " views " ..... > > > > but i don't feel to describe your words as " crap " for this > reason.... > > > > anyway....the consciousness of an individual person....is always in > > conflict with " others " .......because in reality.....this others are > > fiction only > > > > we are One......Self..... > > > > " Werner " .... " Marc " ......is nothing but illusion...... > > > > Marc > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 Sorry Marc, I will end here. I never discuss the same topic more than two or three times. Werner Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > wrote: > > > Werner, > > " What a crap all that is. We convers about consciousness and not if > > you or me or Mr. Bush is an illusion - when looking at Iraq then > G.W. > > Bush definitely is no illusion. " > > - if your world consciousness is switch On....yes, this our forms > appear to be real.....like the form of Bush does > and yes....now that we talk " illusion " .....this your mentionned > person is maybe one of the most famous....trapped person existing..... > inside this our consciousness.... > > " Back to this: > > The content of your consciousness is absolute subjective and there > is > > no second consciousness in this world containing the same content. > > -yes....but due to the Fact that we communicate.....there must exist > a consciousness of Oneness.....which let all this " different and > individual " consciousness relate....and so, is responsible to > solve " conflicts " .....which only arise....because of " individual > consiousness " > > > > " During communication your subjectivity (in respect to these > contents) > > and my subjectivity meet and we are exchanging and sharing our > > private view of the world and it is most likely that we never will > > have a consensus. > > > > You cannot deny this. > > -i don't agree.... > due to this One consciousness....which relate all with all.....in > this world bubble....... > there is no other chance to become.....one day.....aware of this > Oneness-consciousness.......and so, by chance.....dissolve this > illusion of individual consciousness.... > which create full time conflicts......with mind-fictions > > > " So, all that incredible spiritual fancy gibbersih about > consciousness > > is just day-dreaming rubbish. " > > no...it's the only way out of this your ego-minded fiction > called " Werner " ....or " Marc " > > Marc > > > > Werner > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Marc, > > > > > > > > Consciousness is its content. No content, no consciousness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes....thats it.... > > > > > > sure that one need consciousness to communicate..... > > > > > > some people they live in emptyness....nothingness.....no- mind..... > > > they prefer Silence.....because it's not possible for them to > > > communicate with others.....because they are not conscious > > > about " others " ......for them....there are " no others " ...... > > > > > > I don't believe that this people are " trapped " ......because there > > is > > > No content.....means, no world-consciousness > > > > > > and maybe, at this point.....we have different " views " ..... > > > > > > but i don't feel to describe your words as " crap " for this > > reason.... > > > > > > anyway....the consciousness of an individual person....is always > in > > > conflict with " others " .......because in reality.....this others > are > > > fiction only > > > > > > we are One......Self..... > > > > > > " Werner " .... " Marc " ......is nothing but illusion...... > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > Sorry for you Werner.... but i hope that your conflicts....one day.....will have an end... Marc > Sorry Marc, > > I will end here. > > I never discuss the same topic more than two or three times. > > Werner > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > wrote: > > > > > Werner, > > > > " What a crap all that is. We convers about consciousness and not > if > > > you or me or Mr. Bush is an illusion - when looking at Iraq then > > G.W. > > > Bush definitely is no illusion. " > > > > - if your world consciousness is switch On....yes, this our forms > > appear to be real.....like the form of Bush does > > and yes....now that we talk " illusion " .....this your mentionned > > person is maybe one of the most famous....trapped person > existing..... > > inside this our consciousness.... > > > > " Back to this: > > > The content of your consciousness is absolute subjective and > there > > is > > > no second consciousness in this world containing the same content. > > > > -yes....but due to the Fact that we communicate.....there must > exist > > a consciousness of Oneness.....which let all this " different and > > individual " consciousness relate....and so, is responsible to > > solve " conflicts " .....which only arise....because of " individual > > consiousness " > > > > > > > " During communication your subjectivity (in respect to these > > contents) > > > and my subjectivity meet and we are exchanging and sharing our > > > private view of the world and it is most likely that we never > will > > > have a consensus. > > > > > > You cannot deny this. > > > > -i don't agree.... > > due to this One consciousness....which relate all with all.....in > > this world bubble....... > > there is no other chance to become.....one day.....aware of this > > Oneness-consciousness.......and so, by chance.....dissolve this > > illusion of individual consciousness.... > > which create full time conflicts......with mind-fictions > > > > > > " So, all that incredible spiritual fancy gibbersih about > > consciousness > > > is just day-dreaming rubbish. " > > > > no...it's the only way out of this your ego-minded fiction > > called " Werner " ....or " Marc " > > > > Marc > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Marc, > > > > > > > > > > Consciousness is its content. No content, no consciousness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes....thats it.... > > > > > > > > sure that one need consciousness to communicate..... > > > > > > > > some people they live in emptyness....nothingness.....no- > mind..... > > > > they prefer Silence.....because it's not possible for them to > > > > communicate with others.....because they are not conscious > > > > about " others " ......for them....there are " no others " ...... > > > > > > > > I don't believe that this people are " trapped " ......because > there > > > is > > > > No content.....means, no world-consciousness > > > > > > > > and maybe, at this point.....we have different " views " ..... > > > > > > > > but i don't feel to describe your words as " crap " for this > > > reason.... > > > > > > > > anyway....the consciousness of an individual person....is > always > > in > > > > conflict with " others " .......because in reality.....this others > > are > > > > fiction only > > > > > > > > we are One......Self..... > > > > > > > > " Werner " .... " Marc " ......is nothing but illusion...... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 > > > > > > > > W: if you are the Supreme Self as you say you are fucked up! > > All your situation is based on this concept, whatever it is. > > but if you are it, what can i do? > > Of course I'm not the Supreme Self. My mind is talking to you and my > mind surely is not the Supreme Self. But I'm not the mind. I watch the > mind talk and I watch the mind utter the words 'I AM the Supreme > Self'. I'm not the talking mind and you're not the listening mind. W: this is weak omikron. the witness is just another concept. but if you like it...go on with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 > but i hope that your conflicts....one day.....will have an end... > > Marc > > oh, that's a certainty. they end together with hopes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba wrote: > > > > but i hope that your conflicts....one day.....will have an end... > > > > Marc > > > > > > oh, that's a certainty. they end together with hopes. are you trapped in something....?..... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote: > > > > > > > but i hope that your conflicts....one day.....will have an end... > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > oh, that's a certainty. they end together with hopes. > > > are you trapped in something....?..... > > Marc > no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 - dennis_travis33 Nisargadatta Monday, February 06, 2006 6:41 AM Re: Trapped in a Bubble of Consciousness... Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba wrote: > > > > but i hope that your conflicts....one day.....will have an end... > > > > Marc > > > > > > oh, that's a certainty. they end together with hopes. are you trapped in something....?..... Marc ....a bubble of Consciousness perhaps? LOL Good morning gentlemen, Infinite Love, Ana ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u wrote: > > > - > dennis_travis33 > Nisargadatta > Monday, February 06, 2006 6:41 AM > Re: Trapped in a Bubble of Consciousness... > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote: > > > > > > > but i hope that your conflicts....one day.....will have an end... > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > oh, that's a certainty. they end together with hopes. > > > are you trapped in something....?..... > > Marc > > > > ....a bubble of Consciousness perhaps? LOL > > Good morning gentlemen, > > Infinite Love, > Ana hello the Infinite Love, bubbles flowing this morning.....yes ping-pong.....ping-pong..... LOL ok....let's use the entrence (exit)door.......and loose consciousness.... again.... Marc > ** > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: > > /mygroups?edit=1 > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dennis_travis33 > > Nisargadatta > > Monday, February 06, 2006 6:41 AM > > Re: Trapped in a Bubble of > Consciousness... > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > but i hope that your conflicts....one day.....will have an > end... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oh, that's a certainty. they end together with hopes. > > > > > > are you trapped in something....?..... > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > ....a bubble of Consciousness perhaps? LOL > > > > Good morning gentlemen, > > > > Infinite Love, > > Ana > > hello the Infinite Love, > > bubbles flowing this morning.....yes > ping-pong.....ping-pong..... > > LOL > > ok....let's use the entrence (exit)door.......and loose > consciousness.... > > again.... > > > Marc marc loves to play hide and seek > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your > subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: > > > > /mygroups?edit=1 > > > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the > Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > dennis_travis33 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Monday, February 06, 2006 6:41 AM > > > Re: Trapped in a Bubble of > > Consciousness... > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > but i hope that your conflicts....one day.....will have an > > end... > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oh, that's a certainty. they end together with hopes. > > > > > > > > > are you trapped in something....?..... > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > ....a bubble of Consciousness perhaps? LOL > > > > > > Good morning gentlemen, > > > > > > Infinite Love, > > > Ana > > > > hello the Infinite Love, > > > > bubbles flowing this morning.....yes > > ping-pong.....ping-pong..... > > > > LOL > > > > ok....let's use the entrence (exit)door.......and loose > > consciousness.... > > > > again.... > > > > > > Marc > > > marc loves to play hide and seek you could tell about the result of your seek.....instead to be full time trapped in some consciousness......playing word games..... writing non-sense..... Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your > > subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: > > > > > > /mygroups?edit=1 > > > > > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the > > Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > dennis_travis33 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Monday, February 06, 2006 6:41 AM > > > > Re: Trapped in a Bubble of > > > Consciousness... > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but i hope that your conflicts....one day.....will have > an > > > end... > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oh, that's a certainty. they end together with hopes. > > > > > > > > > > > > are you trapped in something....?..... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....a bubble of Consciousness perhaps? LOL > > > > > > > > Good morning gentlemen, > > > > > > > > Infinite Love, > > > > Ana > > > > > > hello the Infinite Love, > > > > > > bubbles flowing this morning.....yes > > > ping-pong.....ping-pong..... > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > ok....let's use the entrence (exit)door.......and loose > > > consciousness.... > > > > > > again.... > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > marc loves to play hide and seek > > you could tell about the result of your seek.....instead to be full > time trapped in some consciousness......playing word games..... > writing non-sense..... > > Marc > that is the result Marc! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change > your > > > subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My > Groups: > > > > > > > > /mygroups?edit=1 > > > > > > > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the > > > Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > dennis_travis33 > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Monday, February 06, 2006 6:41 AM > > > > > Re: Trapped in a Bubble of > > > > Consciousness... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but i hope that your conflicts....one day.....will have > > an > > > > end... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oh, that's a certainty. they end together with hopes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are you trapped in something....?..... > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....a bubble of Consciousness perhaps? LOL > > > > > > > > > > Good morning gentlemen, > > > > > > > > > > Infinite Love, > > > > > Ana > > > > > > > > hello the Infinite Love, > > > > > > > > bubbles flowing this morning.....yes > > > > ping-pong.....ping-pong..... > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > ok....let's use the entrence (exit)door.......and loose > > > > consciousness.... > > > > > > > > again.... > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > marc loves to play hide and seek > > > > you could tell about the result of your seek.....instead to be full > > time trapped in some consciousness......playing word games..... > > writing non-sense..... > > > > Marc > > > > > that is the result Marc! the result is non-sense?.... Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change > > your > > > > subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My > > Groups: > > > > > > > > > > /mygroups?edit=1 > > > > > > > > > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for > the > > > > Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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