Guest guest Posted February 2, 2006 Report Share Posted February 2, 2006 > Admittedly we talk about such things as " realized > souls " , " different states " , etc, but how is it that " [w]e know " > these things? It varies from person to person. Some distinguish it from the clarity in thoughts and expression. In such a case, someone who speaks... what you internally find TRUE... is considered realized. Some distinguish it from 'guidance'! In such a case, if a person can guide you and show you how you can go within and discover the inner TRUTH... peace and Joy, he/she is considered 'realized'! Some distinguish it from 'character'! In such a case, if a person seems to manifest undisturbed peace and calm among all situations, he/she is considered realized. Some distinguish it by the *presence****! In such a case, if someone's contact makes you feel peaceful, quiet, grace, divine... he/she is considered realized. [Many people are able to feel the peace, joy, love, relaxation, grace in presence of gurus too and many consider it a *mark* of *realization*... the ease, the peace, the love, the joy within... that starts flowing! ] .... > And do these things, such as " realized soul " > and " different state " , truly exist? Does an 'electron' exist or not? Does 'happiness' exist or not? [Does a 'happy person' exist or not?] Does 'depression' exist or not? [Does a 'depressed person' exist or not?] Does 'sanity' exist or not? [Does a 'sane person' exist or not?] I don't think an answer is necessary here! > > Some so called " realized souls " teach that there is only the non- > dual and that all dualities, including realized & unrealized, are > mere appearances or illusions, and have no inherent existence. I agree with that! Scientists say that all 'solid' matter is nearly 100% empty space and they say that the 'solidity' of the matter is merely in its appearance and just a visual illusion because of our limited perception! Further, even the negligible particles that exist are only few [six, I think] and all matter has them and none of the matter has anything else... just about 100% SPACE and these 6 particles! Yet, we find it useful to distinguish between a rock and a... for almost all PRACTICAL purposes! ---- **** To make the concept of *presence* clear to yourself, you might ask yourself this: On meeting my spouse, children, friend, boss, colleague... have I ever thought: ---- he/she seems clam, peaceful, Serene, Divine... ----- he/she seems very happy ---- he/she seems very content, quiet, relaxed, and easy and peaceful ---- He/she seems tense, disturbed, uneasy, and uncomfortable ---- he/she seems torn ---- he/she seems very depressed ---- he/she seems sad ---- he/she seems angry ---- he/she seems very joyous <<<< How DID I know That? >>>>> .... Have you ever thought this way, even before the person concerned spoke a word? Have you ever been a company, where minutes after you arrived... you started feeling uncomfortable even before a word was spoken? Similarly, have you also met someone who even without speaking a word makes you feel Very Welcome, Warm, relaxed and comfortable? <<<< What was That? >>>>> .... Watching somebody in Joy, Love at Peace... seems to rub on other people. Just by watching it the joyful tendencies in yourself too seem to get activated. That's why many people love spending time with children that much! Children joyously jump around, hop, giggle, run, play with the dog play with toys... they don't even pay much attention to you... yet, by just watching the *action in joy*, *joy in action*... you feel so joyous yourself! And, remember these children don't even Talk! [in fact, the moment they fully learn to talk... many parents and other people notice that the *joy of company* diminishes somewhat!]. .... [seeing Joy, Peace, and Love seems to rub on people and also seeing violence, aggression, hate, depression seems to rub on people. They start feeling depressed in the company of depressed people... many also start feeling depressed, tense, uneasy even just after watching such a Show on the TV! ] .... How you think... women across the globe talk about *feeling* a *connection*? Do you think that *connection* *feeling* is about... *words* and *talk* alone? <<<< What IS this *connection* thing? Is it just that you and I agree on thoughts - we are both Democrats, we both hate Bush and we both like Sushi? Is *that* is what is called a *lover's connection* - an 'agreement' in thoughts? >>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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