Guest guest Posted February 5, 2006 Report Share Posted February 5, 2006 In a message dated 2/4/2006 11:56:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, omikron23 writes: > Thanks for your intelligent reply. Intelligence seems to be rare nowadays. > L.E: That may be, but remember who and what is expressing both ignorance and intelligence. It is the so-called, Supreme Self that is expressing both. You and I and all life is not a disconnected bubble of consciousne. We are a full and complete expresion of consciousness itself. Realize that is you want to chew on something. Larry Epston www.epston.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 There is no stepping out of anywhere, but being aware that one IS trapped. tThat doesn`t feel good, but then......face the truth and go throught a real alchemical process of transformation..... or, keep untertaining youself w/ the idea. P --- Werner Woehr <wwoehr a écrit : Marc, Did you ever step out of 'trapped consciousness' ? No ? Then why do you give advices you yourself can't fulfill ? And, what kind of nonsense is that 'trapped consciousness' ? I would say it is absolute unbelievable baloney, bla bla gobbledygook. Werner Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > > > whenever one is trapped in a bubble of consciousness... > it's time to go out of trap... > > the only time to step out of consciousness.....means, to step out of > being trapped.....is.....now > > different ways to loose " consciousness about... " ......means, time and > space - consciousness.....(included boby-mind-intellect).... > > 1) fall in love to another (trapped) consciousness.... > this would fill up the heart with some peace and timelessness.... > for some duration of time > 2)fall in love to " God " ....the only " real being " ......because is > formless, changless,infinite....and so, a secure place " to be " > 3)getting in touch to Self....by the effect of 1) and 2) > 4) " understanding " truth by the teachings of (inner) Self.... > 5)development of " awareness " .....means, to make the difference > between " trapp and non-trapp " ....between Self and Non-Self > 6)just be yourSelf, always > > > only few bubbles of consciousness..... > so i don't believe that it's possible to get out of bubbles.....in > reading other bubbles.... > > wish a nice day > > Marc > ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige wrote: > Hi Patricia, yes....you can be very proud of your wisdom i mean...if you are not trapped in what you call " truth " Marc > There is no stepping out of anywhere, but being aware > that one IS trapped. tThat doesn`t feel good, > but then......face the truth and go throught a real > alchemical process of transformation..... > or, > keep untertaining youself w/ the idea. > P > --- Werner Woehr <wwoehr a écrit : > > > > Marc, > > Did you ever step out of 'trapped consciousness' ? No > ? Then why do > you give advices you yourself can't fulfill ? > > And, what kind of nonsense is that 'trapped > consciousness' ? I would > say it is absolute unbelievable baloney, bla bla > gobbledygook. > > Werner > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > whenever one is trapped in a bubble of > consciousness... > > it's time to go out of trap... > > > > the only time to step out of > consciousness.....means, to step out > of > > being trapped.....is.....now > > > > different ways to loose " consciousness > about... " ......means, time > and > > space - consciousness.....(included > boby-mind-intellect).... > > > > 1) fall in love to another (trapped) > consciousness.... > > this would fill up the heart with some peace and > timelessness.... > > for some duration of time > > 2)fall in love to " God " ....the only " real > being " ......because is > > formless, changless,infinite....and so, a secure > place " to be " > > 3)getting in touch to Self....by the effect of 1) > and 2) > > 4) " understanding " truth by the teachings of (inner) > Self.... > > 5)development of " awareness " .....means, to make the > difference > > between " trapp and non-trapp " ....between Self and > Non-Self > > 6)just be yourSelf, always > > > > > > only few bubbles of consciousness..... > > so i don't believe that it's possible to get out of > bubbles.....in > > reading other bubbles.... > > > > wish a nice day > > > > Marc > > > ** > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to > change your subscription, sign in with your ID > and go to Edit My Groups: > > /mygroups?edit=1 > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " > for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 --- dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33 a écrit : Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige wrote: > Hi Patricia, yes....you can be very proud of your wisdom i mean...if you are not trapped in what you call " truth " Marc ............................................. Where did I ever said I knew the Truth? I said " recognize that you are trapped in a bubble of consciousness and face the truth. (of it). I don`t know any higher truth, for your information, That is my only " wisdom " . Patricia > There is no stepping out of anywhere, but being aware > that one IS trapped. tThat doesn`t feel good, > but then......face the truth and go throught a real > alchemical process of transformation..... > or, > keep untertaining youself w/ the idea. > P > --- Werner Woehr <wwoehr a écrit : > > > > Marc, > > Did you ever step out of 'trapped consciousness' ? No > ? Then why do > you give advices you yourself can't fulfill ? > > And, what kind of nonsense is that 'trapped > consciousness' ? I would > say it is absolute unbelievable baloney, bla bla > gobbledygook. > > Werner > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > whenever one is trapped in a bubble of > consciousness... > > it's time to go out of trap... > > > > the only time to step out of > consciousness.....means, to step out > of > > being trapped.....is.....now > > > > different ways to loose " consciousness > about... " ......means, time > and > > space - consciousness.....(included > boby-mind-intellect).... > > > > 1) fall in love to another (trapped) > consciousness.... > > this would fill up the heart with some peace and > timelessness.... > > for some duration of time > > 2)fall in love to " God " ....the only " real > being " ......because is > > formless, changless,infinite....and so, a secure > place " to be " > > 3)getting in touch to Self....by the effect of 1) > and 2) > > 4) " understanding " truth by the teachings of (inner) > Self.... > > 5)development of " awareness " .....means, to make the > difference > > between " trapp and non-trapp " ....between Self and > Non-Self > > 6)just be yourSelf, always > > > > > > only few bubbles of consciousness..... > > so i don't believe that it's possible to get out of > bubbles.....in > > reading other bubbles.... > > > > wish a nice day > > > > Marc > > > ** > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to > change your subscription, sign in with your ID > and go to Edit My Groups: > > /mygroups?edit=1 > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " > for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige wrote: > > > --- dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33 a > écrit : > > > > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia > <gdtige@> > wrote: > > > > Hi Patricia, > > yes....you can be very proud of your wisdom > i mean...if you are not trapped in what you call > " truth " > > Marc > ............................................ > Where did I ever said I knew the Truth? > I said " recognize that you are trapped in a bubble of > consciousness and face the truth. (of it). > I don`t know any higher truth, for your information, > That is my only " wisdom " . > > Patricia > yes, it was clearly a misunderstanding. but it is interesting how the word truth is easily referred to some far away reality and not to the facts. bye bye > > There is no stepping out of anywhere, but being > aware > > that one IS trapped. tThat doesn`t feel good, > > but then......face the truth and go throught a real > > alchemical process of transformation..... > > or, > > keep untertaining youself w/ the idea. > > P > > --- Werner Woehr <wwoehr@> a écrit : > > > > > > > > Marc, > > > > Did you ever step out of 'trapped consciousness' ? > No > > ? Then why do > > you give advices you yourself can't fulfill ? > > > > And, what kind of nonsense is that 'trapped > > consciousness' ? I would > > say it is absolute unbelievable baloney, bla bla > > gobbledygook. > > > > Werner > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > whenever one is trapped in a bubble of > > consciousness... > > > it's time to go out of trap... > > > > > > the only time to step out of > > consciousness.....means, to step out > > of > > > being trapped.....is.....now > > > > > > different ways to loose " consciousness > > about... " ......means, time > > and > > > space - consciousness.....(included > > boby-mind-intellect).... > > > > > > 1) fall in love to another (trapped) > > consciousness.... > > > this would fill up the heart with some peace and > > timelessness.... > > > for some duration of time > > > 2)fall in love to " God " ....the only " real > > being " ......because is > > > formless, changless,infinite....and so, a secure > > place " to be " > > > 3)getting in touch to Self....by the effect of 1) > > and 2) > > > 4) " understanding " truth by the teachings of > (inner) > > Self.... > > > 5)development of " awareness " .....means, to make > the > > difference > > > between " trapp and non-trapp " ....between Self and > > Non-Self > > > 6)just be yourSelf, always > > > > > > > > > only few bubbles of consciousness..... > > > so i don't believe that it's possible to get out > of > > bubbles.....in > > > reading other bubbles.... > > > > > > wish a nice day > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to > > change your subscription, sign in with your ID > > and go to Edit My Groups: > > > > /mygroups?edit=1 > > > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " > > for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save > Changes. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 In a message dated 2/6/2006 2:29:58 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: " Judi Rhodes " <judirhodes Re: Trapped in a Bubble of Consciousness... J: " Separateness " is lack of integrity, and inquiry into one's own " lack of integrity " brings about, or " accomplishes " one's own end, a " dismantling " . So, understanding, " death " of the separate one, comes down to a matter of integrity, brutal self honesty. P:I'm in total agreement here. Noticing the truth dissolves self denial, and exploring the paradoxes of the illusion brings about more expansive and freeing understandings. J:And if you'll notice also, these folks have no shame of themselves when they're shown their lovelesness. And if they have no shame, there is no way on god's green earth that they'll ever be able to transcend it, they live in denial. No conscience. And without conscience, the self-structure cannot be dismantled. Without conscience, without shame of themselves, it keeps them forever going in " angry " circles. If there is to be an end to it, what is to be bring it down, other than through the shame of it themselves? Judi P:So, one is to replace self denial with self judgment? Mayhaps the goal is actually self acceptance? Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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