Guest guest Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 I liked your poem, it brought a question.. Since identifying myself with time is source of death and miserie, can one identifie oneself with the source of Life ? Patricia --- Arvind <adithya_comming a écrit : The reason that you now consider yourself out of 'Deep Sleep'/ Samadhi is because now you 'identify' with something else! In reality... you are always in SAME state! You recognize this state different... because, " you " 'identify' with something other than your Self! .... You recognize Deep Sleep, Samadhi differently because... all else that you could *identify with* has disappeared! ....because, you are left ONLY with what is *always there*! .... In reality... even " dreams " take place only Within 'Deep Sleep'! .... ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 > I liked your poem, it brought a question.. > Since identifying myself with time is source of death > and miserie, can one identifie oneself with the source > of Life ? > Patricia You are What you are... and, you know What you are! and, you don't need to *identify* with anything! You are simply that which you are... THAT which can *look* for identification! .... For the purpose of communication and talk, you can say you are THAT which knows... You are THAT which IS... prior to all else! You are THAT which you are Always Left with no matter what comes and goes! Yet, you know You are that which CAN try to describe... you are Not THAT which is *being described*! You are the Seer... not that which is *being seen*! .... To answer your question specifically... Without *you* there is No Life! [Thus...] You are Life! .... But, you know all that is just a matter of talk... none of that can really describe you! You are THAT which... IS everything else comes and goes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 If you are that which knows, Arvind, then I suggest have a total anesthesia or artificial coma for lets say one day and when you woke up again then you can ponder where the 'knower' has been. Then you very quickly will grasp that the 'knower' only exists as long as there is conscioushness. The knower is a delusion caused through using the body as the reference point for the noun " I " and the corresponding personal pronouns. Every noun is a pointer to a real object like 'tree' points to a tree. And the noun 'I' points to the body and so creates the illusion of a knower exisiting within that constant stream of appearances, like 'I' see the tree, or 'I' am conscious of thinking. Werner Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming wrote: > > > I liked your poem, it brought a question.. > > Since identifying myself with time is source of death > > and miserie, can one identifie oneself with the source > > of Life ? > > Patricia > > You are What you are... > > and, you know What you are! > > and, you don't need to *identify* with anything! > > > You are simply that which you are... > > THAT which can *look* for identification! > > ... > > For the purpose of communication and talk, > you can say you are THAT which knows... > > You are THAT which IS... prior to all else! > > You are THAT which you are Always Left with > no matter what comes and goes! > > > Yet, you know You are that which CAN try > to describe... > > you are Not THAT which is *being described*! > > You are the Seer... not that which is *being seen*! > > ... > > To answer your question specifically... > > Without *you* there is No Life! > > [Thus...] > > You are Life! > > ... > > But, you know all that is just a matter > of talk... none of that can really describe you! > > You are THAT which... IS > > everything else comes and goes! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige wrote: > > I liked your poem, it brought a question.. > Since identifying myself with time is source of death > and miserie, can one identifie oneself with the source > of Life ? > Patricia One can identify onself with whatever one wants: the source of Life or the Holy Ghost. However, it wont make one intelligent. Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 So you would agree, Len, that the delusion of a knower is not very beneficial for intelligence ? Werner Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige@> > wrote: > > > > I liked your poem, it brought a question.. > > Since identifying myself with time is source of death > > and miserie, can one identifie oneself with the source > > of Life ? > > Patricia > > > One can identify onself with whatever one wants: the source of Life or > the Holy Ghost. > However, it wont make one intelligent. > > Len > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > If you are that which knows, Arvind, > > then I suggest have a total anesthesia or artificial coma for lets > say one day and when you woke up again then you can ponder where > the 'knower' has been. Then you very quickly will grasp that > the 'knower' only exists as long as there is conscioushness. > > The knower is a delusion caused through using the body as the > reference point for the noun " I " and the corresponding personal > pronouns. Every noun is a pointer to a real object like 'tree' points > to a tree. And the noun 'I' points to the body and so creates the > illusion of a knower exisiting within that constant stream of > appearances, like 'I' see the tree, or 'I' am conscious of thinking. > > Werner > How it is when the 'body-brain' is under anesthesia... is a question that can only make sense asking when the 'body-brain' is under anesthesia! What is *remembered* afterwards... is only the *memory*! And, Lack of *memory* doesn't equate to *lack of existence*! If someone loses all his previous memory... it doesn't mean that he had never existed. It simply means he has no memory! The state that you mention [coma] may not have nay memory because of many reasons such as: ---- 'making memory' part of the brain is dysfunctional ---- there is *nothing* to remember! i.e. it is devoid of any content! Only thoughts, dreams, things are remembered. Existence is NOT a memory! Awareness is NOT a memory! I AM is not a memory! Existence is not *something* to *remember* or to make *memory of*! It is not *durational*. It is not *changeful* It always... IS Existence is... IS... That is its only state! [and, thus any memory of it makes no sense... Memory is durational, it is time based there is *nothing* in pure existence to remember! Memory is of *things*, thoughts, dreams, sensations, perception... Existence Always... IS!] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > > > So you would agree, Len, that the delusion of a knower is not very > beneficial for intelligence ? > > Werner If Knower is a concept to identify with, it is indeed not beneficial. And this is what it is to most people. If Knower is meant as a pointer to something previous to consciousness, then I cannot say for sure that it is/isn´t real. But seeing the fact that most people don´t know that, it´s probably better not to mention it, because the only way in which it can be understood is: as a concept to identify with, which only increases the confusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige@> > wrote: > > > > I liked your poem, it brought a question.. > > Since identifying myself with time is source of death > > and miserie, can one identifie oneself with the source > > of Life ? > > Patricia > > > One can identify onself with whatever one wants: the source of Life or > the Holy Ghost. > However, it wont make one intelligent. > > Len Hi Len, do you believe that one could have choice of identification?.... yes....a person who's mind is troubled.....can make identification with....whatever......but only because there is intelligence missing therefore i believe....it's not very intelligent to make such statements here Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Arvind, A year ago I was in coma for one day and there was no memory left. I could have died during that time without 'knowing' it. All this chattering and philosophizing about awareness, the knower, eternity or the Absolute for me no longer makes any sense. Its only task is to spend time and to get arround boredom. Werner Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > wrote: > > > > If you are that which knows, Arvind, > > > > then I suggest have a total anesthesia or artificial coma for lets > > say one day and when you woke up again then you can ponder where > > the 'knower' has been. Then you very quickly will grasp that > > the 'knower' only exists as long as there is conscioushness. > > > > The knower is a delusion caused through using the body as the > > reference point for the noun " I " and the corresponding personal > > pronouns. Every noun is a pointer to a real object like 'tree' > points > > to a tree. And the noun 'I' points to the body and so creates the > > illusion of a knower exisiting within that constant stream of > > appearances, like 'I' see the tree, or 'I' am conscious of > thinking. > > > > Werner > > > > How it is when the 'body-brain' is under > anesthesia... is a question that can only > make sense asking when the 'body-brain' > is under anesthesia! > > What is *remembered* afterwards... is > only the *memory*! > > And, Lack of *memory* doesn't equate > to *lack of existence*! > > If someone loses all his previous > memory... it doesn't mean that he had > never existed. It simply means he has > no memory! > > The state that you mention [coma] may > not have nay memory because of many > reasons such as: > > ---- 'making memory' part of the brain > is dysfunctional > > ---- there is *nothing* to remember! > i.e. it is devoid of any content! > > Only thoughts, dreams, things are remembered. > > Existence is NOT a memory! > > Awareness is NOT a memory! > > I AM is not a memory! > > Existence is not *something* > to *remember* or to make *memory of*! > > It is not *durational*. It is not > *changeful* It always... IS > > Existence is... IS... > > That is its only state! > > [and, thus any memory of it makes no sense... > Memory is durational, it is time based there > is *nothing* in pure existence to remember! > > Memory is of *things*, thoughts, dreams, > sensations, perception... > Existence Always... IS!] > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Arvind, > > A year ago I was in coma for one day and there was no memory left. I > could have died during that time without 'knowing' it. > > All this chattering and philosophizing about awareness, the knower, > eternity or the Absolute for me no longer makes any sense. Its only > task is to spend time and to get arround boredom. > > Werner Hi werner, Do you any memory of 'being in womb'? I don't. What does that mean? Did I exist inside my mother's womb or not? I also don't have any memory of time that I spent as infant. What does that mean? .... Most people have no memory of 'womb' yet you can see thru scans that babies inside womb move, breathe, move their hands as well as... smile! Scientists say they also... dream! Yet, they have no memory of any of it after they are born! What does that mean? .... If I remember correctly, people in coma too are found to have dreams and hallucinations yet, as you say... there is no memory! What does that mean? To me, no memory doesn't mean lack of existence or lack of awareness. It simply means 'lack of memory' which can happen because to many reasons. regards, ac. > > > Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > wrote: > > > > > > If you are that which knows, Arvind, > > > > > > then I suggest have a total anesthesia or artificial coma for > lets > > > say one day and when you woke up again then you can ponder where > > > the 'knower' has been. Then you very quickly will grasp that > > > the 'knower' only exists as long as there is conscioushness. > > > > > > The knower is a delusion caused through using the body as the > > > reference point for the noun " I " and the corresponding personal > > > pronouns. Every noun is a pointer to a real object like 'tree' > > points > > > to a tree. And the noun 'I' points to the body and so creates the > > > illusion of a knower exisiting within that constant stream of > > > appearances, like 'I' see the tree, or 'I' am conscious of > > thinking. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > How it is when the 'body-brain' is under > > anesthesia... is a question that can only > > make sense asking when the 'body-brain' > > is under anesthesia! > > > > What is *remembered* afterwards... is > > only the *memory*! > > > > And, Lack of *memory* doesn't equate > > to *lack of existence*! > > > > If someone loses all his previous > > memory... it doesn't mean that he had > > never existed. It simply means he has > > no memory! > > > > The state that you mention [coma] may > > not have nay memory because of many > > reasons such as: > > > > ---- 'making memory' part of the brain > > is dysfunctional > > > > ---- there is *nothing* to remember! > > i.e. it is devoid of any content! > > > > Only thoughts, dreams, things are remembered. > > > > Existence is NOT a memory! > > > > Awareness is NOT a memory! > > > > I AM is not a memory! > > > > Existence is not *something* > > to *remember* or to make *memory of*! > > > > It is not *durational*. It is not > > *changeful* It always... IS > > > > Existence is... IS... > > > > That is its only state! > > > > [and, thus any memory of it makes no sense... > > Memory is durational, it is time based there > > is *nothing* in pure existence to remember! > > > > Memory is of *things*, thoughts, dreams, > > sensations, perception... > > Existence Always... IS!] > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming wrote: > > Most people have no memory of > 'womb' yet you can see thru scans > that babies inside womb move, breathe, > move their hands as well as... smile! > > Scientists say they also... dream! W:there is no limit to what the mind can imagine. now, you say scientists say that babies dream...so what? it is only your point of view, based on your belief. > > Yet, they have no memory of any of it > after they are born! > > What does that mean? > > ... > > If I remember correctly, people in coma > too are found to have dreams and hallucinations > yet, as you say... there is no memory! > > What does that mean? W : it doesn't mean anything but that actions were going on. > > To me, no memory doesn't mean lack of existence > or lack of awareness. It simply means 'lack > of memory' which can happen because to many reasons. W: Again you think to know something about awareness! greetings, waaba > > regards, > ac. > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > If you are that which knows, Arvind, > > > > > > > > then I suggest have a total anesthesia or artificial coma for > > lets > > > > say one day and when you woke up again then you can ponder > where > > > > the 'knower' has been. Then you very quickly will grasp that > > > > the 'knower' only exists as long as there is conscioushness. > > > > > > > > The knower is a delusion caused through using the body as the > > > > reference point for the noun " I " and the corresponding personal > > > > pronouns. Every noun is a pointer to a real object like 'tree' > > > points > > > > to a tree. And the noun 'I' points to the body and so creates > the > > > > illusion of a knower exisiting within that constant stream of > > > > appearances, like 'I' see the tree, or 'I' am conscious of > > > thinking. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > How it is when the 'body-brain' is under > > > anesthesia... is a question that can only > > > make sense asking when the 'body-brain' > > > is under anesthesia! > > > > > > What is *remembered* afterwards... is > > > only the *memory*! > > > > > > And, Lack of *memory* doesn't equate > > > to *lack of existence*! > > > > > > If someone loses all his previous > > > memory... it doesn't mean that he had > > > never existed. It simply means he has > > > no memory! > > > > > > The state that you mention [coma] may > > > not have nay memory because of many > > > reasons such as: > > > > > > ---- 'making memory' part of the brain > > > is dysfunctional > > > > > > ---- there is *nothing* to remember! > > > i.e. it is devoid of any content! > > > > > > Only thoughts, dreams, things are remembered. > > > > > > Existence is NOT a memory! > > > > > > Awareness is NOT a memory! > > > > > > I AM is not a memory! > > > > > > Existence is not *something* > > > to *remember* or to make *memory of*! > > > > > > It is not *durational*. It is not > > > *changeful* It always... IS > > > > > > Existence is... IS... > > > > > > That is its only state! > > > > > > [and, thus any memory of it makes no sense... > > > Memory is durational, it is time based there > > > is *nothing* in pure existence to remember! > > > > > > Memory is of *things*, thoughts, dreams, > > > sensations, perception... > > > Existence Always... IS!] > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming@> > wrote: > > > > Most people have no memory of > > 'womb' yet you can see thru scans > > that babies inside womb move, breathe, > > move their hands as well as... smile! > > > > Scientists say they also... dream! > > > W:there is no limit to what the mind can imagine. > now, you say scientists say that babies dream...so what? it is > only your point of view, based on your belief. I don't understand your point here. Would you like to explain? > > > > Yet, they have no memory of any of it > > after they are born! > > > > What does that mean? > > > > ... > > > > If I remember correctly, people in coma > > too are found to have dreams and hallucinations > > yet, as you say... there is no memory! > > > > What does that mean? > > W : it doesn't mean anything but that actions were going on. Same here... You say " it doesn't mean anything " and then, you add " but that actions were going on " ! What does " actions were/are going on " mean to you? .... Isn't our definition of 'alive', 'dead', 'conscious', 'unconscious' based on " actions going on " in the body alone? ' > > > > To me, no memory doesn't mean lack of existence > > or lack of awareness. It simply means 'lack > > of memory' which can happen because to many reasons. > > W: Again you think to know something about awareness! I AM Awareness. Is that a big problem for you? > > > greetings, > waaba > > > > regards, > > ac. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > If you are that which knows, Arvind, > > > > > > > > > > then I suggest have a total anesthesia or artificial coma for > > > lets > > > > > say one day and when you woke up again then you can ponder > > where > > > > > the 'knower' has been. Then you very quickly will grasp that > > > > > the 'knower' only exists as long as there is conscioushness. > > > > > > > > > > The knower is a delusion caused through using the body as the > > > > > reference point for the noun " I " and the corresponding > personal > > > > > pronouns. Every noun is a pointer to a real object > like 'tree' > > > > points > > > > > to a tree. And the noun 'I' points to the body and so creates > > the > > > > > illusion of a knower exisiting within that constant stream of > > > > > appearances, like 'I' see the tree, or 'I' am conscious of > > > > thinking. > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > How it is when the 'body-brain' is under > > > > anesthesia... is a question that can only > > > > make sense asking when the 'body-brain' > > > > is under anesthesia! > > > > > > > > What is *remembered* afterwards... is > > > > only the *memory*! > > > > > > > > And, Lack of *memory* doesn't equate > > > > to *lack of existence*! > > > > > > > > If someone loses all his previous > > > > memory... it doesn't mean that he had > > > > never existed. It simply means he has > > > > no memory! > > > > > > > > The state that you mention [coma] may > > > > not have nay memory because of many > > > > reasons such as: > > > > > > > > ---- 'making memory' part of the brain > > > > is dysfunctional > > > > > > > > ---- there is *nothing* to remember! > > > > i.e. it is devoid of any content! > > > > > > > > Only thoughts, dreams, things are remembered. > > > > > > > > Existence is NOT a memory! > > > > > > > > Awareness is NOT a memory! > > > > > > > > I AM is not a memory! > > > > > > > > Existence is not *something* > > > > to *remember* or to make *memory of*! > > > > > > > > It is not *durational*. It is not > > > > *changeful* It always... IS > > > > > > > > Existence is... IS... > > > > > > > > That is its only state! > > > > > > > > [and, thus any memory of it makes no sense... > > > > Memory is durational, it is time based there > > > > is *nothing* in pure existence to remember! > > > > > > > > Memory is of *things*, thoughts, dreams, > > > > sensations, perception... > > > > Existence Always... IS!] > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 Nothing to remember, then nothing to forget ? Yet memory is an important tool in rediscovering who one truly is. From being a leaf caught in the whirlwind of a lost state, I`ve yet been able to perceive a constant Hum in my system, and by identifying with That, by choice, The leaf has come down, and a state of being, a constance surfaced. I can say, I am That, which doesn`t change. But I`ve had to use all my imagination, memory, thought process, experiences and so on to get there, to become aware of awareness. Patricia --- Arvind <adithya_comming a écrit : Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > If you are that which knows, Arvind, > > then I suggest have a total anesthesia or artificial coma for lets > say one day and when you woke up again then you can ponder where > the 'knower' has been. Then you very quickly will grasp that > the 'knower' only exists as long as there is conscioushness. > > The knower is a delusion caused through using the body as the > reference point for the noun " I " and the corresponding personal > pronouns. Every noun is a pointer to a real object like 'tree' points > to a tree. And the noun 'I' points to the body and so creates the > illusion of a knower exisiting within that constant stream of > appearances, like 'I' see the tree, or 'I' am conscious of thinking. > > Werner > How it is when the 'body-brain' is under anesthesia... is a question that can only make sense asking when the 'body-brain' is under anesthesia! What is *remembered* afterwards... is only the *memory*! And, Lack of *memory* doesn't equate to *lack of existence*! If someone loses all his previous memory... it doesn't mean that he had never existed. It simply means he has no memory! The state that you mention [coma] may not have nay memory because of many reasons such as: ---- 'making memory' part of the brain is dysfunctional ---- there is *nothing* to remember! i.e. it is devoid of any content! Only thoughts, dreams, things are remembered. Existence is NOT a memory! Awareness is NOT a memory! I AM is not a memory! Existence is not *something* to *remember* or to make *memory of*! It is not *durational*. It is not *changeful* It always... IS Existence is... IS... That is its only state! [and, thus any memory of it makes no sense... Memory is durational, it is time based there is *nothing* in pure existence to remember! Memory is of *things*, thoughts, dreams, sensations, perception... Existence Always... IS!] ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Arvind, > > A year ago I was in coma for one day and there was no memory left. I > could have died during that time without 'knowing' it. > > All this chattering and philosophizing about awareness, the knower, > eternity or the Absolute for me no longer makes any sense. Its only > task is to spend time and to get arround boredom. > > Werner Yes, like most " spiritual " activity. I also don´t think that it makes much sense to talk about it, it´s just feeding imagination. But the fact that you have no memory of coma is not a proof that there is no presence there. Memory is thought, and what is playing beyond thought might simply be not registered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 > > W : it doesn't mean anything but that actions were going on. > > Same here... > > You say " it doesn't mean anything " and then, > you add " but that actions were going on " ! > > What does " actions were/are going on " > mean to you? > > ... > > Isn't our definition of 'alive', 'dead', > 'conscious', 'unconscious' based on > " actions going on " in the body alone? W: Actions are taking place but there is no actor only seeing, no seer only listening, no listener thinking, no thinker all definitions and meanings are given by the imaginary doer, and are this imaginary entity's points of view. > > > ' > > > > > > To me, no memory doesn't mean lack of existence > > > or lack of awareness. It simply means 'lack > > > of memory' which can happen because to many reasons. > > > > W: Again you think to know something about awareness! > > I AM Awareness. > > > Is that a big problem for you? > W: Not at all! neither a little one > > > > > > > greetings, > > waaba > > > > > > regards, > > > ac. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Arvind " > <adithya_comming@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " > <wwoehr@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are that which knows, Arvind, > > > > > > > > > > > > then I suggest have a total anesthesia or artificial coma > for > > > > lets > > > > > > say one day and when you woke up again then you can ponder > > > where > > > > > > the 'knower' has been. Then you very quickly will grasp > that > > > > > > the 'knower' only exists as long as there is > conscioushness. > > > > > > > > > > > > The knower is a delusion caused through using the body as > the > > > > > > reference point for the noun " I " and the corresponding > > personal > > > > > > pronouns. Every noun is a pointer to a real object > > like 'tree' > > > > > points > > > > > > to a tree. And the noun 'I' points to the body and so > creates > > > the > > > > > > illusion of a knower exisiting within that constant stream > of > > > > > > appearances, like 'I' see the tree, or 'I' am conscious of > > > > > thinking. > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How it is when the 'body-brain' is under > > > > > anesthesia... is a question that can only > > > > > make sense asking when the 'body-brain' > > > > > is under anesthesia! > > > > > > > > > > What is *remembered* afterwards... is > > > > > only the *memory*! > > > > > > > > > > And, Lack of *memory* doesn't equate > > > > > to *lack of existence*! > > > > > > > > > > If someone loses all his previous > > > > > memory... it doesn't mean that he had > > > > > never existed. It simply means he has > > > > > no memory! > > > > > > > > > > The state that you mention [coma] may > > > > > not have nay memory because of many > > > > > reasons such as: > > > > > > > > > > ---- 'making memory' part of the brain > > > > > is dysfunctional > > > > > > > > > > ---- there is *nothing* to remember! > > > > > i.e. it is devoid of any content! > > > > > > > > > > Only thoughts, dreams, things are remembered. > > > > > > > > > > Existence is NOT a memory! > > > > > > > > > > Awareness is NOT a memory! > > > > > > > > > > I AM is not a memory! > > > > > > > > > > Existence is not *something* > > > > > to *remember* or to make *memory of*! > > > > > > > > > > It is not *durational*. It is not > > > > > *changeful* It always... IS > > > > > > > > > > Existence is... IS... > > > > > > > > > > That is its only state! > > > > > > > > > > [and, thus any memory of it makes no sense... > > > > > Memory is durational, it is time based there > > > > > is *nothing* in pure existence to remember! > > > > > > > > > > Memory is of *things*, thoughts, dreams, > > > > > sensations, perception... > > > > > Existence Always... IS!] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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