Guest guest Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 There has been a re- occurring event in my life that I haven't fully understood and haven't been able to fully comprehend. Interestingly, it has started happening only after my *awakening* experience! Interestingly, it has happened only when I have been getting quieter and quieter and when thoughts have started occurring less and less! This event is like 'fainting' for a very short time [maybe, for a fraction of second or maybe, sometimes for a second or two]. It has happened many times and I have had no recollection of what happened in that brief period. I have had absolutely no memory of it. I have also not had any idea of " how much " time has passed. It is as if for that brief period... I was dead... completely absent! As if that TIME didn't exist in my life or as if that time as completely erased... or, maybe just passed without leaving any trace! Sometimes, it has happened sitting and doing some computer work or thinking. Many other times, it has happened in the middle of talking to someone, listening and even... in the middle of speech! Luckily, it has been mostly been very brief and it has not caused any major disturbance in the normal living. Interestingly, it has only happened when I have been getting quieter and has never happened when I have been stressed, worried, tense or thinking, day-dreaming and imagining as I used to *normally* do [before, I started getting 'meditative' and 'not thinking']! To my surprise, I discovered that it is widely known and well understood medical condition. It is called epilepsy. I have never taken any medical advice regarding this because I have never had a physical danger because of this and I seem to be able to *control* and *treat* it on my own. If I think, day- dream, worry... it doesn't happen. It seems to happen only when I start getting 'vacant'! Similarly, I have had many occurrences of 'loss of body awareness' [feeling of *no body*, feeling like not having a body] that has lasted quite long, sometimes days, sometimes weeks, sometimes even months. In this state, I have no general perception of what is *my* body, where it begins, where it ends and how it is *apart* from SPACE but, I still have been able to use it as well as to feel pain, ache when they occurred but, those signals have felt as 'localized' in that case i.e. coming from a specific *point* rather than from *my* 'defined' body - it has felt as if my body has no beginning, no end as if the SPACE itself is my body, yet I have become aware of some *points* in SPACE as aching. I have also had many occurrence of *losing the capacity of language*. In this state, my daughter has talked to me, I haven't understood anything! Sometimes, then, she has shaken me up and I have been able to quickly become *normal* again! I have been able to *treat* and control all of it simply by becoming *normal* - by thinking, day-dreaming, imagining, worrying, stressing that I *normally* used to do! Strange, but True... .... If you visit following site, you might see that none of the above are particularly difficult to understand: http://www.epilepsy.com.au/epilepsy_exp lained2.asp#3 It seems, somehow my brain has started working in the ways that are not normal and it has been partially shutting down and resuming different regions and I have been able to experience these partial 'shutdowns' [or 'suspensions']! Frontal lobe -------------- It is responsible for concentration, memory, decision making, judgement, emotional response, impulse control, language, voluntary movement. It is also responsible for how we know what we are doing within our environment (consciousness). Thus, when frontal lobe gets suspended for a while, I experience a condition similar to epilepsy in which I seem to have had no awareness and have no later memory or recollection. Parietal lobe ---------------- It is touch, temperature and pain perception (sensation), awareness of body and where it is in space. This has been suspended most of the times thus giving me feeling of having *no body* or feeling like SPACE or Infinite, Void or nothing as I have had no awareness of *where it is in space*! This 'condition' is also experienced under many drugs as well as by many meditators during meditations! Temporal lobe -------------------- It is responsible for hearing ability, memory, interpreting language, some visual perceptions, behavior. So, when this has been partially suspended, I have felt very silent internally but I also have not understood what someone has been talking! Interestingly, I seem to be able to produce it on *will* [i think most of us can] i.e. I seem to able to *totally tune out* whatever I hear without losing any awareness and without having to think *something else*! In fact, *thinking* is the only thing that seems to keep this 'capacity' engaged. Anytime, you focus completely on 'listening' alone, you will discover that you *heard* but, you didn't *interpret* it in the language terms. Later, when required, you can run what you heard in your mind again and interpret and understand it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 I am very familiar with all of what is described in this account, speaking from direct experience. My interpretation of what is going on is as follows: There is a transition to a different fundamental organization of experience underway. It could be thought of as a fundamental change in the organization of the brain's functioning, but it could also be interpreted in other terms (such as kundalini). Initially the shift to organization in the " new mode " is episodic. During the flipping from one mode to the other there is a sense of an abrupt break and a sense of discontinuity. Eventually the " new mode " expands to encompass larger and larger portions of the life. Eventually one never leaves that deep " trance " state and yet performs all normal functioning easily from withing it. Eventually any other mode than " This " becomes the dimmest of recollections. There is nothing to be done about it. No one chooses. It is just going on. Bill Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming wrote: > > There has been a re- > occurring event in my life that I > haven't fully understood and haven't > been able to fully comprehend. > > Interestingly, it has started > happening only after my *awakening* > experience! > > Interestingly, it has happened only > when I have been getting quieter and > quieter and when thoughts have started > occurring less and less! > > This event is like 'fainting' for a > very short time [maybe, for a fraction > of second or maybe, sometimes for a > second or two]. > > It has happened many times and I have > had no recollection of what happened in > that brief period. I have had > absolutely no memory of it. I have also > not had any idea of " how much " time has > passed. It is as if for that brief > period... I was dead... completely > absent! As if that TIME didn't exist in > my life or as if that time as > completely erased... or, maybe just > passed without leaving any trace! > > Sometimes, it has happened sitting and > doing some computer work or thinking. > Many other times, it has happened in > the middle of talking to someone, > listening and even... in the middle of > speech! Luckily, it has been mostly > been very brief and it has not caused > any major disturbance in the normal > living. > > Interestingly, it has only happened > when I have been getting quieter and > has never happened when I have been > stressed, worried, tense or thinking, > day-dreaming and imagining as I used > to *normally* do [before, I started > getting 'meditative' and 'not thinking']! > > To my surprise, I discovered that it > is widely known and well understood > medical condition. It is called epilepsy. > > I have never taken any medical advice > regarding this because I have never had > a physical danger because of this and I > seem to be able to *control* and > *treat* it on my own. If I think, day- > dream, worry... it doesn't happen. It > seems to happen only when I start > getting 'vacant'! > > Similarly, I have had many occurrences > of 'loss of body awareness' [feeling of > *no body*, feeling like not having a > body] that has lasted quite long, > sometimes days, sometimes weeks, > sometimes even months. In this state, > I have no general perception of what is > *my* body, where it begins, where it > ends and how it is *apart* from SPACE > but, I still have been able to use it > as well as to feel pain, ache when they > occurred but, those signals have felt > as 'localized' in that case i.e. coming > from a specific *point* rather than > from *my* 'defined' body - it has felt > as if my body has no beginning, no end > as if the SPACE itself is my body, yet > I have become aware of some *points* in > SPACE as aching. > > I have also had many occurrence of > *losing the capacity of language*. In > this state, my daughter has talked to > me, I haven't understood anything! > Sometimes, then, she has shaken me up > and I have been able to quickly become > *normal* again! > > I have been able to *treat* and > control all of it simply by becoming > *normal* - by thinking, day-dreaming, > imagining, worrying, stressing that I > *normally* used to do! > > Strange, but True... > > > ... > > If you visit following site, you might > see that none of the above are > particularly difficult to understand: > > http://www.epilepsy.com.au/epilepsy_exp > lained2.asp#3 > > It seems, somehow my brain has started > working in the ways that are not normal > and it has been partially shutting down > and resuming different regions and I > have been able to experience these > partial 'shutdowns' [or 'suspensions']! > > Frontal lobe > -------------- > > It is responsible for concentration, > memory, decision making, judgement, > emotional response, impulse control, > language, voluntary movement. > > It is also responsible for how we know > what we are doing within our > environment (consciousness). > > Thus, when frontal lobe gets suspended > for a while, I experience a condition > similar to epilepsy in which I seem to > have had no awareness and have no later > memory or recollection. > > Parietal lobe > ---------------- > > It is touch, temperature and pain > perception (sensation), awareness of > body and where it is in space. > > This has been suspended most of the > times thus giving me feeling of having > *no body* or feeling like SPACE or > Infinite, Void or nothing as I have had > no awareness of *where it is in space*! > > This 'condition' is also experienced > under many drugs as well as by many > meditators during meditations! > > Temporal lobe > -------------------- > > It is responsible for hearing ability, > memory, interpreting language, some > visual perceptions, behavior. > > So, when this has been partially > suspended, I have felt very silent > internally but I also have not > understood what someone has been talking! > > Interestingly, I seem to be able to > produce it on *will* [i think most of > us can] i.e. I seem to able to *totally > tune out* whatever I hear without > losing any awareness and without having > to think *something else*! In fact, > *thinking* is the only thing that seems > to keep this 'capacity' engaged. > Anytime, you focus completely on > 'listening' alone, you will discover > that you *heard* but, you didn't > *interpret* it in the language terms. > Later, when required, you can run what > you heard in your mind again and > interpret and understand it! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 - billrishel Nisargadatta Saturday, February 11, 2006 4:04 AM Re: Loss of Awareness and - Brain 'states'. I am very familiar with all of what is described in this account, speaking from direct experience. My interpretation of what is going on is as follows: There is a transition to a different fundamental organization of experience underway. It could be thought of as a fundamental change in the organization of the brain's functioning, but it could also be interpreted in other terms (such as kundalini). Initially the shift to organization in the " new mode " is episodic. During the flipping from one mode to the other there is a sense of an abrupt break and a sense of discontinuity. Eventually the " new mode " expands to encompass larger and larger portions of the life. Eventually one never leaves that deep " trance " state and yet performs all normal functioning easily from withing it. Eventually any other mode than " This " becomes the dimmest of recollections. There is nothing to be done about it. No one chooses. It is just going on. Bill Good morning Bill, Arvind As it were, all seemingly distinct patterns and mental assimilations 'broke down' into separate experiences of how This goes on, always in perfect hindsight. It is as though one small link/light illuminated larger and larger patterns of experience until the experience was separated from the experiencer. For a moment...for one crucial moment. The experiences of the experiencer " I " being all that is, without a second. Raise The Vibration, Ana Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming wrote: > > There has been a re- > occurring event in my life that I > haven't fully understood and haven't > been able to fully comprehend. > > Interestingly, it has started > happening only after my *awakening* > experience! > > Interestingly, it has happened only > when I have been getting quieter and > quieter and when thoughts have started > occurring less and less! > > This event is like 'fainting' for a > very short time [maybe, for a fraction > of second or maybe, sometimes for a > second or two]. > > It has happened many times and I have > had no recollection of what happened in > that brief period. I have had > absolutely no memory of it. I have also > not had any idea of " how much " time has > passed. It is as if for that brief > period... I was dead... completely > absent! As if that TIME didn't exist in > my life or as if that time as > completely erased... or, maybe just > passed without leaving any trace! > > Sometimes, it has happened sitting and > doing some computer work or thinking. > Many other times, it has happened in > the middle of talking to someone, > listening and even... in the middle of > speech! Luckily, it has been mostly > been very brief and it has not caused > any major disturbance in the normal > living. > > Interestingly, it has only happened > when I have been getting quieter and > has never happened when I have been > stressed, worried, tense or thinking, > day-dreaming and imagining as I used > to *normally* do [before, I started > getting 'meditative' and 'not thinking']! > > To my surprise, I discovered that it > is widely known and well understood > medical condition. It is called epilepsy. > > I have never taken any medical advice > regarding this because I have never had > a physical danger because of this and I > seem to be able to *control* and > *treat* it on my own. If I think, day- > dream, worry... it doesn't happen. It > seems to happen only when I start > getting 'vacant'! > > Similarly, I have had many occurrences > of 'loss of body awareness' [feeling of > *no body*, feeling like not having a > body] that has lasted quite long, > sometimes days, sometimes weeks, > sometimes even months. In this state, > I have no general perception of what is > *my* body, where it begins, where it > ends and how it is *apart* from SPACE > but, I still have been able to use it > as well as to feel pain, ache when they > occurred but, those signals have felt > as 'localized' in that case i.e. coming > from a specific *point* rather than > from *my* 'defined' body - it has felt > as if my body has no beginning, no end > as if the SPACE itself is my body, yet > I have become aware of some *points* in > SPACE as aching. > > I have also had many occurrence of > *losing the capacity of language*. In > this state, my daughter has talked to > me, I haven't understood anything! > Sometimes, then, she has shaken me up > and I have been able to quickly become > *normal* again! > > I have been able to *treat* and > control all of it simply by becoming > *normal* - by thinking, day-dreaming, > imagining, worrying, stressing that I > *normally* used to do! > > Strange, but True... > > > ... > > If you visit following site, you might > see that none of the above are > particularly difficult to understand: > > http://www.epilepsy.com.au/epilepsy_exp > lained2.asp#3 > > It seems, somehow my brain has started > working in the ways that are not normal > and it has been partially shutting down > and resuming different regions and I > have been able to experience these > partial 'shutdowns' [or 'suspensions']! > > Frontal lobe > -------------- > > It is responsible for concentration, > memory, decision making, judgement, > emotional response, impulse control, > language, voluntary movement. > > It is also responsible for how we know > what we are doing within our > environment (consciousness). > > Thus, when frontal lobe gets suspended > for a while, I experience a condition > similar to epilepsy in which I seem to > have had no awareness and have no later > memory or recollection. > > Parietal lobe > ---------------- > > It is touch, temperature and pain > perception (sensation), awareness of > body and where it is in space. > > This has been suspended most of the > times thus giving me feeling of having > *no body* or feeling like SPACE or > Infinite, Void or nothing as I have had > no awareness of *where it is in space*! > > This 'condition' is also experienced > under many drugs as well as by many > meditators during meditations! > > Temporal lobe > -------------------- > > It is responsible for hearing ability, > memory, interpreting language, some > visual perceptions, behavior. > > So, when this has been partially > suspended, I have felt very silent > internally but I also have not > understood what someone has been talking! > > Interestingly, I seem to be able to > produce it on *will* [i think most of > us can] i.e. I seem to able to *totally > tune out* whatever I hear without > losing any awareness and without having > to think *something else*! In fact, > *thinking* is the only thing that seems > to keep this 'capacity' engaged. > Anytime, you focus completely on > 'listening' alone, you will discover > that you *heard* but, you didn't > *interpret* it in the language terms. > Later, when required, you can run what > you heard in your mind again and > interpret and understand it! > ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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