Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 In a message dated 2/9/2006 3:51:20 PM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr Re: [Nisargadatt identifying with Awareness Arvind, A year ago I was in coma for one day and there was no memory left. I could have died during that time without 'knowing' it. All this chattering and philosophizing about awareness, the knower, eternity or the Absolute for me no longer makes any sense. Its only task is to spend time and to get arround boredom. Werner Well, clearly, without human consciousness and memory there is no experience or the capacity to store and recall it. I guess based on that you conclude there is no existence beyond human consciousness? I contend that true being is not an experience anyway. It doesn't involve human consciousness or the memory that makes the perception of linear time and events possible. I see no real difference in this respect between coma and deep sleep. The active mind tries to recall what the experience of deep sleep is and finds nothing stored in memory, but does this mean there was no existence? Do we cease to exist in deep sleep and then suddenly start existing again when we awaken, or is the apparent 'absence' just a trick of mind? Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 Very funny Phil, > True being < Then tell me please, what is 'false being' ? When you identify with God then it is 'true being' and when you identfy yourself with your bum then it is 'false being' ? This whole spiritual nonsense and confusion has its origin in dividing oneself in different parts, like: Consciousness, ego, self, soul, matter and spirit, awareness, thought, higher Self, false self, true Self, intellience, emotions, body, mind, God, Satan, good and evil, sin, Love, compassion, life and death etc, etc. Why not forgetting this whole spiritual baloney and spiritual idiocy and live, just live ? Werner Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 2/9/2006 3:51:20 PM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr > Re: [Nisargadatt identifying with Awareness > > Arvind, > > A year ago I was in coma for one day and there was no memory left. I > could have died during that time without 'knowing' it. > > All this chattering and philosophizing about awareness, the knower, > eternity or the Absolute for me no longer makes any sense. Its only > task is to spend time and to get arround boredom. > > Werner > > > > > Well, clearly, without human consciousness and memory there is no experience > or the capacity to store and recall it. I guess based on that you conclude > there is no existence beyond human consciousness? I contend that true being is > not an experience anyway. It doesn't involve human consciousness or the > memory that makes the perception of linear time and events possible. > > I see no real difference in this respect between coma and deep sleep. The > active mind tries to recall what the experience of deep sleep is and finds > nothing stored in memory, but does this mean there was no existence? Do we cease > to exist in deep sleep and then suddenly start existing again when we awaken, > or is the apparent 'absence' just a trick of mind? > > Phil > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Very funny Phil, > > > True being < > > Then tell me please, what is 'false being' ? > > When you identify with God then it is 'true being' and when you > identfy yourself with your bum then it is 'false being' ? > > This whole spiritual nonsense and confusion has its origin in > dividing oneself in different parts, like: > > Consciousness, ego, self, soul, matter and spirit, awareness, > thought, higher Self, false self, true Self, intellience, emotions, > body, mind, God, Satan, good and evil, sin, Love, compassion, life > and death etc, etc. > > Why not forgetting this whole spiritual baloney and spiritual idiocy > and live, just live ? > > Werner > > > Hi Werner, yes Werner....i agree " Werner " is " Werner " .... " God " is " God " ... " Self " is " Self " ... if " Werner " would identify with " God " ....then it would no more be " Werner " .... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Very funny Phil, > > > True being < > > Then tell me please, what is 'false being' ? > > When you identify with God then it is 'true being' and when you > identfy yourself with your bum then it is 'false being' ? > > This whole spiritual nonsense and confusion has its origin in > dividing oneself in different parts, like: > > Consciousness, ego, self, soul, matter and spirit, awareness, > thought, higher Self, false self, true Self, intellience, emotions, > body, mind, God, Satan, good and evil, sin, Love, compassion, life > and death etc, etc. > > Why not forgetting this whole spiritual baloney and spiritual idiocy > and live, just live ? > > Werner Yes, absolutely right, Werner. You didn´t address the second part of the message though: > > I see no real difference in this respect between coma and deep > sleep. The > > active mind tries to recall what the experience of deep sleep is > and finds > > nothing stored in memory, but does this mean there was no > existence? Do we cease > > to exist in deep sleep and then suddenly start existing again when > we awaken, > > or is the apparent 'absence' just a trick of mind? > > > > Phil He´s got a point. Inventing the concept of a Knower and identyfying with it is a mind game, but so is denying the permanence of existence because of coma or deep sleep. The fact is that we don´t know, so why not just live without any conclusions? Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 > Why not forgetting this whole spiritual baloney and spiritual idiocy > and live, just live ? > > Werner L.E: Good idea Werner. Bye bye, see you, be cool, have a good day! Larry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 Language is inherently dualistic. Is it hoped that I could say something that is not dualistic? We divide ourselves into parts because that's what mind does. We perceive dualistically because that's how mind perceives. We can't forget the fulfilment of our desires because this IS living. What sort of a creature are you hoping to turn yourself into that doesn't care about either God or man? Do you think the Truth can be known by one who cares nothing about Truth? Do you think love becomes a reality to one who cares nothing about love? Phil In a message dated 2/10/2006 9:01:58 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr Re: identifying with Awareness Very funny Phil, > True being < Then tell me please, what is 'false being' ? When you identify with God then it is 'true being' and when you identfy yourself with your bum then ii is 'fale being' ? This whole spiritual nonsense and confusion has its origin in dividing oneself in different parts, like: Consciousness, ego, self, soul, matter and spirit, awareness, thought, higher Self, false self, true Self, intellience, emotions, body, mind, God, Satan, good and evil, sin, Love, compassion, life and death etc, etc. Why not just just forgetting that whole spiritual baloney and live? Werner Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 2/9/2006 3:51:20 PM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr > Re: [Nisargadatt identifying with Awareness > > Arvind, > > A year ago I was in coma for one day and there was no memory left. I > could have died during that time without 'knowing' it. > > All this chattering and philosophizing about awareness, the knower, > eternity or the Absolute for me no longer makes any sense. Its only > task is to spend time and to get arround boredom. > > Werner > > > > > Well, clearly, without human consciousness and memory there is no experience > or the capacity to store and recall it. I guess based on that you conclude > there is no existence beyond human consciousness? I contend that true being is > not an experience anyway. It doesn't involve human consciousness or the > memory that makes the perception of linear time and events possible. > > I see no real difference in this respect between coma and deep sleep. The > active mind tries to recall what the experience of deep sleep is and finds > nothing stored in memory, but does this mean there was no existence? Do we cease > to exist in deep sleep and then suddenly start existing again when we awaken, > or is the apparent 'absence' just a trick of mind? > > Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > Language is inherently dualistic. Is it hoped that I could say something > that is not dualistic? > We divide ourselves into parts because that's what mind does. We perceive > dualistically because that's how mind perceives. We can't forget the fulfilment > of our desires because this IS living. > > What sort of a creature are you hoping to turn yourself into that doesn't > care about either God or man? Do you think the Truth can be known by one who > cares nothing about Truth? Do you think love becomes a reality to one who cares > nothing about love? > > Phil There are people who care about truth and there are others who care about the word " truth " . Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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