Guest guest Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: >Yes, to identify the limiting boundaries of an idea is useful. This can >be done with all ideas. >Phil for what can it be useful... what do you think? Stefan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 - ADHHUB Nisargadatta Monday, February 13, 2006 3:43 AM Re: about you Werner?? In a message dated 2/12/2006 1:42:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u Re: about you Werner?? - ADHHUB Nisargadatta Sunday, February 12, 2006 12:17 AM Re: about you Werner?? In a message dated 2/11/2006 1:52:24 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: " Stefan " <s.petersilge Re: about you Werner?? Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: >That's the insanity of continuously calling folks on their falseness. To call the false " false " has nothing to do with " calling folks on their falseness " . Its not us folks who are false. But all those unnecessary concepts... misunderstood spirituality... are forming the cloud that surrounds us. Phil, in the long run, I have profited much more from those who had the courage to call my spiritual constructions " baloney " than from those, who said " yes sir, you are right " . But of course, short term the " false " will do everything to justify itself. Understandable! Greetings Stefan Possibly, I didn't make my point very clear. I often challenge the beliefs of others and am challenged in turn. Contemplating both scenarios has been very useful to me. Truth is more important to me than any concepts I hold, which are only stepping stones and crutches that perhaps I can do away with all together at some point. When I look at concepts, I don't see some concepts that are true and others that are false, and when someone separates concepts in this way, it betrays a misunderstanding. I see concepts distributed on a continuum, not of right and wrong or correct and incorrect, but one that is relative to the context of a given understanding. IOW, as one's understanding evolves, the concepts evolve along with it, and none of these concepts is actually true in the absolute sense and so it's not meaningful to call any of them false. If I see a more expansive view of a concept, I offer it, not to make any concept wrong, but just to reduce it's ability to limit as all concepts do. Phil This is what we do on these lists, dharmic battles. Honing our swords of truth even as we speak. Some truths never change, some do no-thing but change. If there are any kinks in our armor, it will be seen. Raise The Vibration, Ana If what is seen is battles, swords and armor, then perhaps bloodshed is unavoidable. If what is seen is a dedication to our own divine nature and an unconditional love of Truth, maybe the outcome would be different. Mayhaps the difference between the two is just a matter of raising one's vibration? Phil Thank you for the clarification, Phil In a strange way, both bloodshed and peace raise the vibration as it is what it is, how it is. how we can and do raise the vibration is in choosing love above the truth, above and over what Is. We see the inherent kinks, flaws, pockets of unloving Reality that would be King. I very much appreciate the opportunity know you all. Love, Ana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u wrote: > > boom!! > > > Darling, I'd say most of the world is functioning on quite a low vibe. > One person taking it higher can balance thousands on a low, or so I have heard ;-) Funny, my impression is that we we need to slow down and rather watch then act. Hmmm... > Thanks for your concern Len. Where are u from? Lisbon? I wish I were. But it´s Netherlands, tough luck. Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 - lissbon2002 Nisargadatta Monday, February 13, 2006 12:28 PM Re: about you Werner?? Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u wrote: > > boom!! > > > Darling, I'd say most of the world is functioning on quite a low vibe. > One person taking it higher can balance thousands on a low, or so I have heard ;-) Funny, my impression is that we we need to slow down and rather watch then act. Hmmm... hmm. could we be doing both simultaneously? I wonder.... > Thanks for your concern Len. Where are u from? Lisbon? I wish I were. But it´s Netherlands, tough luck. Len ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 2/11/2006 1:52:24 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u > Re: Re: about you Werner?? > > boom!! > > > Darling, I'd say most of the world is functioning on quite a low vibe. > One person taking it higher can balance thousands on a low, or so I have > heard ;-) > > Thanks for your concern Len. Where are u from? Lisbon? > > Ana > > > > I basically agree with that, but allow me to offer my understanding of what > it means. It doesn't relate to behaving in some particular way or to causing > someone to understand something they don't already know. It's about raising > our own level of consciousness; our spiritual awareness, if you will. > > In one context, all of humanity draw from what might be conceptualized as a > field of collective consciousness. As we know, we're not separate in the > context of consciousness. All of creation is continuously manifested from and > within consciousness. Ultimately, the human doesn't 'do' anything to advance > consciousness because it doesn't exist as an entity with independent volition, > and yet the experiential vehicle seemingly evolves. It does not cause others to > evolve. From a human perspective, we raise the consciousness of humanity > only by raising our own consciousness. > > Phil And what does " raising your own consciousness " mean to you practically? Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u wrote: > > > - > lissbon2002 > Nisargadatta > Monday, February 13, 2006 12:28 PM > Re: about you Werner?? > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@> wrote: > > > > > boom!! > > > > > > Darling, I'd say most of the world is functioning on quite a low > vibe. > > One person taking it higher can balance thousands on a low, or so > I have heard ;-) > > > > Funny, my impression is that we we need to slow down and rather > watch then act. Hmmm... > > > hmm. could we be doing both simultaneously? > > I wonder.... I don´t think so. Watching is more then enough, the rest happens by itself. Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 In a message dated 2/13/2006 1:34:25 PM Pacific Standard Time, lissbon2002 writes: > Darling, I'd say most of the world is functioning on quite a > low vibe. > L.E: Too bad. Guess it's the best the Infinite Universe can do. Maybe if you pray, it will try harder. Larry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 In a message dated 2/13/2006 4:35:13 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: " Stefan " <s.petersilge Re: about you Werner?? Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: >Yes, to identify the limiting boundaries of an idea is useful. This can >be done with all ideas. >Phil for what can it be useful... what do you think? Stefan Well, see, here's how me mind cogitates on that there. All concepts limit understanding by their nature because they're all mental constructs that obscure the Truth, which is not a concept. Howsoever, conceptualizing is what the mind does, and as much as some of us conceptualize that stopping the conceptualizing is the thing to do, it's still just another concept. IOW, the mind can never be used to stop the mind, and we have nothing else to work with. There goes the shortcut to realization. What needs to occur is what occurs regardless of how the mind decides what needs to occur. The possibility of acceptance is explored. The realization that dualistic desire is a sham occurs. The questioning about God occurs until there are no more questions. One gets the idea that the 'plan' is for ego/mind to experience all of this for itself and it's going to occur regardless of what ego wants to bypass. Given that, the idea is not to pretend that the mind doesn't conceptualize or pretend that the choice can be made to stop the thoughts or pretend that ego doesn't exist in spite of our identification with it. These are all ego tricks designed to avoid the inevitable experience. So, if the mind wants to think, let it think with passion and clarity. Walk into the process that cannot be avoided anyway. This is willingness and the acceptance of what is. Once we stop trying to avoid the inevitable, we notice that all concepts are not created equal. We start to recognize that, as we push at the conceptual boundaries, those boundaries expand, along with awareness. We're no longer locked in denial about all the paradoxes created by those comfy, simplistic ideas. Ego and all it's shenanigans are challenged as the truth is revealed. The mind starts to have difficulty grasping the concepts and slowly begins to accept that it can never think it's way to God. The realization begins to gain strength that what they say may actually be true; the ultimate realization of Truth only occurs when the mind is finally ready to just stop. Not when we choose to stop it, but when we truly understand that there's no other way out of the illusion that mind itself creates. It doesn't occur when ego decides it should occur. The exploring stops when we're done exploring. God wins after all. Who woulda thunk it? Nobody, which is exactly why the thunking must continue, until it doesn't. We can spend a few more lifetimes pretending that we have a better plan than God, or we can put the whole game on fast forward and be home by dinner time. When it comes to Reality, choice is an illusion, but since time is also an illusion, you're free to choose how much of it elapses between now and the final buzzer, but ya gotta play the game. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 In a message dated 2/13/2006 4:35:13 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: This is what we do on these lists, dharmic battles. Honing our swords of truth even as we speak. Some truths never change, some do no-thing but change. If there are any kinks in our armor, it will be seen. Raise The Vibration, Ana If what is seen is battles, swords and armor, then perhaps bloodshed is unavoidable. If what is seen is a dedication to our own divine nature and an unconditional love of Truth, maybe the outcome would be different. Mayhaps the difference between the two is just a matter of raising one's vibration? Phil Thank you for the clarification, Phil In a strange way, both bloodshed and peace raise the vibration as it is what it is, how it is. how we can and do raise the vibration is in choosing love above the truth, above and over what Is. We see the inherent kinks, flaws, pockets of unloving Reality that would be King. I very much appreciate the opportunity know you all. Love, Ana Yes, in fact great struggle is by far the most effective means of evolution of consciousness. This is one reason I don't campaign to raise the vibration. It will all occur in it's own good time, perhaps with the minimum daily requirement of suffering. What is meant by " choosing love above the truth " ? Surely I didn't hear you right. All I see is love seeking love where love seems not to be. Perhaps we shouldn't confuse evolution with a mistake. I'm very pleased to have made your acquaintance as well, Ana. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: >Howsoever, conceptualizing is what the mind does, and as much as some >of us conceptualize that stopping the conceptualizing is the thing to >do, it's still just another concept. IOW, the mind can never be used to >stop the mind, and we have nothing else to work with. Thanks Phil for your answer... and I think the above is all that has to be understood! Beyond this understanding all that can be done is: live a life of dignity. The mind will go on conceptualizing: this is its task, it is the survival mechanism. What I called " baloney " (to come back to the original subject) is the way how one conceptualizes the storeroom " mind " itself and put it into a certain grandiose framework by inventing instances that " logically " are behind it, or different " states " that are experienced: this is the " baloney " especially when it is sold as spiritual wisdom, that has to be " understood " (read: believed) in order to become " enlightened " (read: a good boy). You know what I mean. Greetings Stefan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2006 Report Share Posted February 15, 2006 In a message dated 2/14/2006 11:32:19 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: " Stefan " <s.petersilge Re: about you Werner?? Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: >Howsoever, conceptualizing is what the mind does, and as much as some >of us conceptualize that stopping the conceptualizing is the thing to >do, it's still just another concept. IOW, the mind can never be used to >stop the mind, and we have nothing else to work with. Thanks Phil for your answer... and I think the above is all that has to be understood! Beyond this understanding all that can be done is: live a life of dignity. The mind will go on conceptualizing: this is its task, it is the survival mechanism. What I called " baloney " (to come back to the original subject) is the way how one conceptualizes the storeroom " mind " itself and put it into a certain grandiose framework by inventing instances that " logically " are behind it, or different " states " that are experienced: this is the " baloney " especially when it is sold as spiritual wisdom, that has to be " understood " (read: believed) in order to become " enlightened " (read: a good boy). You know what I mean. Greetings Stefan Sure, but it's just the seeming process of the evolution of human consciousness (A concept). Humans usually mistake themselves for teachers as we explore our own consciousness, but it doesn't really matter. The gurus teach us that nothing can be done to bring awareness, mostly because there is nobody to do it. This is true, but this is yet another concept,eh? I don't reject that concept, but I'm noticing some interesting things. Even the gurus notice that a disciplined mind and one that has actively explored the illusory nature of it's experience is strongly correlated with enlightenment. IOW, it very much matters what the mind does as it evolves toward it's own dissolution. There is indeed an evolutionary process and it's not really a matter of waiting around for the grace of God to descend. Who's grace would that really be? The teaching is intended to assure ego that it is not in control of the process of enlightenment, but this is not to say that there is no process occurring. One might ask why the teaching is done if there is not some sort of process going on. When ego hears that there is nothing to be done, it stops exploring, which has the advantage of weakening ego's intent to cause enlightenment to occur and may facilitate a degree of surrender to God. However, human consciousness is not done exploring and so believing that it must stop thinking, stop asking questions, stop looking within for the truth, amounts to spiritual stagnation and resistance. This is yet another part of the evolution over which ego has no control, and so nothing can be done about this. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2006 Report Share Posted February 15, 2006 Hi Phil, you are giving me food for thought :-) As you speak about gurus and the teaching... what does " teaching " mean? Lets look at the traditional way of a guru/desciple relationship, as Nisargadatta has described it many times. The rational aspect is not all. There is love, devotion, surrender and trust. This is very strong tobacco for the mind, who thinks those are opposed to freedom from beliefs. Especially hard for the western mind! Anyway, the master knows the dilemma: when he emphasizes that the mind is not in control of " waking up " , then there is danger that the desciple becomes lazy and only decorates his suffering. When the master encourages the desciple to use conscious effort then there is danger that he postpones the goal ad infinitum and walking the path becomes an end in itself. The relationship between master and desciple can help. Notice how Nisargadatta talks about his own master and how it was his trust that made it happen. Being with someone of deep understanding does not create the realization. But it can create a vision beyond the incrossable line. It is like teaching music: a good teacher does not mainly teach by explaining how to play. He teaches by playing. In a deeper sense the master is already inside. But he needs love, devotion and trust to manifest. Those are emotions that weaken the strength of the ego which takes itself for the most important entity of the world. And this aproach can be undertaken by an adult person only, who does not anymore seek to be feeded... but seeks because he knows that there is nothing to lose but his head. Greetings Stefan Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: >Sure, but it's just the seeming process of the evolution of human >consciousness (A concept). Humans usually mistake themselves for teachers as we explore >our own consciousness, but it doesn't really matter. > >The gurus teach us that nothing can be done to bring awareness, mostly > because there is nobody to do it. This is true, but this is yet another > concept,eh? I don't reject that concept, but I'm noticing some interesting things. Even > the gurus notice that a disciplined mind and one that has actively explored > the illusory nature of it's experience is strongly correlated with > enlightenment. IOW, it very much matters what the mind does as it evolves toward it's > own dissolution. There is indeed an evolutionary process and it's not really a > matter of waiting around for the grace of God to descend. Who's grace would > that really be? > > The teaching is intended to assure ego that it is not in control of the > process of enlightenment, but this is not to say that there is no process > occurring. One might ask why the teaching is done if there is not some sort of > process going on. When ego hears that there is nothing to be done, it stops > exploring, which has the advantage of weakening ego's intent to cause enlightenment > to occur and may facilitate a degree of surrender to God. However, human > consciousness is not done exploring and so believing that it must stop thinking, > stop asking questions, stop looking within for the truth, amounts to > spiritual stagnation and resistance. This is yet another part of the evolution over > which ego has no control, and so nothing can be done about this. > > Phil > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2006 Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 --- Stefan <s.petersilge a écrit : Hi Phil, you are giving me food for thought :-) As you speak about gurus and the teaching... what does " teaching " mean? Lets look at the traditional way of a guru/desciple relationship, as Nisargadatta has described it many times. The rational aspect is not all. There is love, devotion, surrender and trust. This is very strong tobacco for the mind, who thinks those are opposed to freedom from beliefs. Especially hard for the western mind! Anyway, the master knows the dilemma: when he emphasizes that the mind is not in control of " waking up " , then there is danger that the desciple becomes lazy and only decorates his suffering. When the master encourages the desciple to use conscious effort then there is danger that he postpones the goal ad infinitum and walking the path becomes an end in itself. The relationship between master and desciple can help. Notice how Nisargadatta talks about his own master and how it was his trust that made it happen. Being with someone of deep understanding does not create the realization. But it can create a vision beyond the incrossable line. It is like teaching music: a good teacher does not mainly teach by explaining how to play. He teaches by playing. In a deeper sense the master is already inside. But he needs love, devotion and trust to manifest. Those are emotions that weaken the strength of the ego which takes itself for the most important entity of the world. And this aproach can be undertaken by an adult person only, who does not anymore seek to be feeded... but seeks because he knows that there is nothing to lose but his head. Greetings Stefan Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: >Sure, but it's just the seeming process of the evolution of human >consciousness (A concept). Humans usually mistake themselves for teachers as we explore >our own consciousness, but it doesn't really matter. > >The gurus teach us that nothing can be done to bring awareness, mostly > because there is nobody to do it. This is true, but this is yet another > concept,eh? I don't reject that concept, but I'm noticing some interesting things. Even > the gurus notice that a disciplined mind and one that has actively explored > the illusory nature of it's experience is strongly correlated with > enlightenment. IOW, it very much matters what the mind does as it evolves toward it's > own dissolution. There is indeed an evolutionary process and it's not really a > matter of waiting around for the grace of God to descend. Who's grace would > that really be? > > The teaching is intended to assure ego that it is not in control of the > process of enlightenment, but this is not to say that there is no process > occurring. One might ask why the teaching is done if there is not some sort of > process going on. When ego hears that there is nothing to be done, it stops > exploring, which has the advantage of weakening ego's intent to cause enlightenment > to occur and may facilitate a degree of surrender to God. However, human > consciousness is not done exploring and so believing that it must stop thinking, > stop asking questions, stop looking within for the truth, amounts to > spiritual stagnation and resistance. This is yet another part of the evolution over > which ego has no control, and so nothing can be done about this. > > Phil ................................................................................. Devotion, trust, surrender, patience.......... All those are attributes from the heart aren`t they? If those don`t have a part in our daily walk, it will be sterile. ........dry........pretentious........and awfully boring. Patricia > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2006 Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 In a message dated 2/15/2006 4:16:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: " Stefan " <s.petersilge Re: about you Werner?? Hi Phil, you are giving me food for thought :-) As you speak about gurus and the teaching... what does " teaching " mean? Lets look at the traditional way of a guru/desciple relationship, as Nisargadatta has described it many times. The rational aspect is not all. There is love, devotion, surrender and trust. This is very strong tobacco for the mind, who thinks those are opposed to freedom from beliefs. Especially hard for the western mind! Anyway, the master knows the dilemma: when he emphasizes that the mind is not in control of " waking up " , then there is danger that the desciple becomes lazy and only decorates his suffering. When the master encourages the desciple to use conscious effort then there is danger that he postpones the goal ad infinitum and walking the path becomes an end in itself. The relationship between master and desciple can help. Notice how Nisargadatta talks about his own master and how it was his trust that made it happen. Being with someone of deep understanding does not create the realization. But it can create a vision beyond the incrossable line. It is like teaching music: a good teacher does not mainly teach by explaining how to play. He teaches by playing. In a deeper sense the master is already inside. But he needs love, devotion and trust to manifest. Those are emotions that weaken the strength of the ego which takes itself for the most important entity of the world. And this aproach can be undertaken by an adult person only, who does not anymore seek to be feeded... but seeks because he knows that there is nothing to lose but his head. Greetings Stefan Yes, well said and I agree. You say: " Anyway, the master knows the dilemma: when he emphasizes that the mind is not in control of " waking up " , then there is danger that the desciple becomes lazy and only decorates his suffering. When the master encourages the desciple to use conscious effort then there is danger that he postpones the goal ad infinitum and walking the path becomes an end in itself. " So, if mind believes it can do nothing, perhaps evolution ceases. If it believes it can do something, ego reinforces it's illusory existence; an ego trap that also halts evolution. I believe the sort of evolution we're talking about ends in ego surrender, and the paradox is that both doing nothing and doing something can keep that from occurring. It seems to me that what needs to occur is an exploration of truth that weakens ego and it's attachments. Ego walks itself to the gallows and this is a rare thing indeed, engaged in only by those who have a deep love of Truth. Ultimately, ego puts it's own head on the chopping block, because nobody else can cause that to occur. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2006 Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige wrote: > > --- Stefan <s.petersilge a écrit : > > > > Hi Phil, you are giving me food for thought :-) > > As you speak about gurus and the teaching... what does > " teaching " > mean? Lets look at the traditional way of a > guru/desciple > relationship, as Nisargadatta has described it many > times. The > rational aspect is not all. There is love, devotion, > surrender and > trust. This is very strong tobacco for the mind, who > thinks those are > opposed to freedom from beliefs. Especially hard for > the western mind! > > Anyway, the master knows the dilemma: when he > emphasizes that the mind > is not in control of " waking up " , then there is danger > that the > desciple becomes lazy and only decorates his > suffering. When the > master encourages the desciple to use conscious effort > then there is > danger that he postpones the goal ad infinitum and > walking the path > becomes an end in itself. > > The relationship between master and desciple can help. > Notice how > Nisargadatta talks about his own master and how it was > his trust that > made it happen. Being with someone of deep > understanding does not > create the realization. But it can create a vision > beyond the > incrossable line. It is like teaching music: a good > teacher does not > mainly teach by explaining how to play. He teaches by > playing. > > In a deeper sense the master is already inside. But he > needs love, > devotion and trust to manifest. Those are emotions > that weaken the > strength of the ego which takes itself for the most > important entity > of the world. And this aproach can be undertaken by an > adult person > only, who does not anymore seek to be feeded... but > seeks because he > knows that there is nothing to lose but his head. > > Greetings > Stefan Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > >Sure, but it's just the seeming process of the > evolution of human > >consciousness (A concept). Humans usually mistake > themselves for > teachers as we explore > >our own consciousness, but it doesn't really matter. > > > >The gurus teach us that nothing can be done to bring > awareness, mostly > > because there is nobody to do it. This is true, but > this is yet > another > > concept,eh? I don't reject that concept, but I'm > noticing some > interesting things. Even > > the gurus notice that a disciplined mind and one > that has actively > explored > > the illusory nature of it's experience is strongly > correlated with > > enlightenment. IOW, it very much matters what the > mind does as it > evolves toward it's > > own dissolution. There is indeed an evolutionary > process and it's > not really a > > matter of waiting around for the grace of God to > descend. Who's > grace would > > that really be? > > > > The teaching is intended to assure ego that it is > not in control of > the > > process of enlightenment, but this is not to say > that there is no > process > > occurring. One might ask why the teaching is done if > there is not > some sort of > > process going on. When ego hears that there is > nothing to be done, > it stops > > exploring, which has the advantage of weakening > ego's intent to > cause enlightenment > > to occur and may facilitate a degree of surrender to > God. However, > human > > consciousness is not done exploring and so believing > that it must > stop thinking, > > stop asking questions, stop looking within for the > truth, amounts to > > spiritual stagnation and resistance. This is yet > another part of the > evolution over > > which ego has no control, and so nothing can be done > about this. > > > > Phil > .................................................................... ............. > Devotion, trust, surrender, patience.......... > All those are attributes from the heart aren`t they? > If those don`t have a part in our daily walk, it will > be sterile. > .......dry........pretentious........and awfully > boring. > Patricia *************** Y-E-S!!! " Silver " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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