Looking beyond the mind (((Bill or Anyone Else Who Might Know.....

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Dunno what is or isn't available online. I confess I haven't read

any of his books. I got to pondering, though, the idea of

integrating the concepts into our lives. I guess I don't really know

what that means. Does that mean acting according to our conceptual

understanding? If so, is this really useful?

 

It seems to me that there's a paradox in studying any teaching, in

that the mind naturally wants to conceptualize what, for the

teacher, is a knowing, thereby assuring that there is no knowing on

our part. We might call that true knowing an intuition or what's

been called 'direct cognition', which inevitably gets

conceptualized but nevertheless retains it's quality as a knowing

rather than a concept that is accepted to be valid. This is only

possible when the mind is willing to look beyond itself for that

knowing. Questions contemplated can often bring this about, but

concepts offered often have the opposite effect as mind grasps.

 

Phil

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I concur with the notion that concepts as an aid

in understanding are quite limited. To attempt to

distill concepts from Nisargadatta's teachings

and then apply those concepts is to misunderstand

him completely. The writer's comments about " looking

beyond the mind " are quite apt in my view. And where

is it that the mind cannot go that one can look?

 

The Present!

 

Bill

 

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote:

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> In a message dated 2/8/2006 4:51:54 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> Nisargadatta writes:

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> " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069

> Bill or Anyone Else Who Might Know.....

>

> It's great that 'I Am That' is online. Are there any other

> Nisargadatta books online? Such as 'Nectar of Immortality'? The

only

> book on Niz I ever got to read is 'I Am That'. It would be nice

to

> find more so I can get a rounder picture of his teachings. I've

been

> reading 'I Am That' since I discovered it at the beginning of

2005.

> I'm nearly done my fourth reading of it. But still trying to

digest

> and absorb it. I'm hoping that by understanding his teachings I

can

> integrate them into my life. With every reading it's becoming a

> little clearer every time. I've not read Krishnamurti's stuff or

Sri

> Ramana Bagawan or any other Eastern stuff. I've read lots of

Western

> stuff though. Thanks.

>

> " Silver "

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>

>

>

> Dunno what is or isn't available online. I confess I haven't read

any of his

> books.

> I got to pondering, though, the idea of integrating the concepts

into our

> lives. I guess I don't really know what that means. Does that mean

acting

> according to our conceptual understanding? If so, is this really

useful?

>

> It seems to me that there's a paradox in studying any teaching, in

that the

> mind naturally wants to conceptualize what, for the teacher, is a

knowing,

> thereby assuring that there is no knowing on our part. We might

call that true

> knowing an intuition or what's been called 'direct cognition',

which

> inevitably gets conceptualized but nevertheless retains it's

quality as a knowing

> rather than a concept that is accepted to be valid. This is only

possible when

> the mind is willing to look beyond itself for that knowing.

Questions

> contemplated can often bring this about, but concepts offered

often have the opposite

> effect as mind grasps.

>

> Phil

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