Guest guest Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 M: to wake up from dream....is to be oneSelf.... to be oneSelf....is to know the Self to know the Self...is to give up oneself >>>>>> Very lucid! To be oneself is to give up oneself. But to " know " the Self is not knowing in the ordinary sense, such as knowing one's mother. Such knowing is what is left when all knowing has been removed. When all possible forms of knowing have been dissolved, vaporized, eliminated, when the landscape of consciousness is emptied of all the precious mental trinkets, then what remains is the landscape itself. The dim apperception of the landscape itself is the beginning of such a knowing. But it never ends because the landscape still has *some* qualities, and as those qualities come to be seen as transient they too melt away. So it comes to seen that it is always the " background " that is the Self. But that phase passes too, as eventually any sense of background/foreground dissolves. And perhaps then it can begin to be seen that what simply *is* is what is known, a knowing that is not a knowing *of* anything, but a knowing that is simply *itself* as a knowingness. But such a knowingness cares not what anything is called. The term " Self " has no special signficance. The term " to know " has no special signficance. That which is utterly empty and utterly full has no need, and no sense of any seeking. But if a term were to be used for that knowingness, could there be a better term than What Is? Notice that in the brightness of What Is knowing and known are one. There is no separation. In What Is all is moving and all is utterly still. All is utterly profound and transcendent, and yet immediate and present. Infinity and zero-distance are collapsed here, Now, in What Is. Bill Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > > > Whatever form appears, appears because of Him. There is nothing else > here but > the Self. It is the gold itself which shines in the form of a > necklace or a > coin; they are made of nothing but gold. In the current of the river > or in the > waves of the sea, there is nothing but water. Similarly, in the > universe, there > is nothing which exists or is brought into existence other than the > Self. Though > it may be smelled, or touched, or seen, there is nothing else in > camphor but > camphor. Likewise, no matter how He experiences Himself, the Self is > all that > is. Whether appearing as the seen, or perceiving as the seer, nothing > else > exists besides the Self. > > ------------------ > Jnaneshwar (?1271-1293) Hinduism > Found at www.onelittleangel.com > > > " no others " for Self.... > > (not because one is One with all others....but because one is > not.....what/who one is dreaming to be) > > to wake up from dream....is to be oneSelf.... > to be oneSelf....is to know the Self > to know the Self...is to give up oneself > > Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 - billrishel Nisargadatta Saturday, February 11, 2006 3:40 AM Infinity and zero-distance are collapsed (((Re: Self M: to wake up from dream....is to be oneSelf.... to be oneSelf....is to know the Self to know the Self...is to give up oneself >>>>>> Very lucid! To be oneself is to give up oneself. But to " know " the Self is not knowing in the ordinary sense, such as knowing one's mother. Such knowing is what is left when all knowing has been removed. When all possible forms of knowing have been dissolved, vaporized, eliminated, when the landscape of consciousness is emptied of all the precious mental trinkets, then what remains is the landscape itself. The dim apperception of the landscape itself is the beginning of such a knowing. But it never ends because the landscape still has *some* qualities, and as those qualities come to be seen as transient they too melt away. So it comes to seen that it is always the " background " that is the Self. But that phase passes too, as eventually any sense of background/foreground dissolves. And perhaps then it can begin to be seen that what simply *is* is what is known, a knowing that is not a knowing *of* anything, but a knowing that is simply *itself* as a knowingness. But such a knowingness cares not what anything is called. The term " Self " has no special signficance. The term " to know " has no special signficance. That which is utterly empty and utterly full has no need, and no sense of any seeking. But if a term were to be used for that knowingness, could there be a better term than What Is? Notice that in the brightness of What Is knowing and known are one. There is no separation. In What Is all is moving and all is utterly still. All is utterly profound and transcendent, and yet immediate and present. Infinity and zero-distance are collapsed here, Now, in What Is. Bill Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > > > Whatever form appears, appears because of Him. There is nothing else > here but > the Self. It is the gold itself which shines in the form of a > necklace or a > coin; they are made of nothing but gold. In the current of the river > or in the > waves of the sea, there is nothing but water. Similarly, in the > universe, there > is nothing which exists or is brought into existence other than the > Self. Though > it may be smelled, or touched, or seen, there is nothing else in > camphor but > camphor. Likewise, no matter how He experiences Himself, the Self is > all that > is. Whether appearing as the seen, or perceiving as the seer, nothing > else > exists besides the Self. > > ------------------ > Jnaneshwar (?1271-1293) Hinduism > Found at www.onelittleangel.com > > > " no others " for Self.... > > (not because one is One with all others....but because one is > not.....what/who one is dreaming to be) > > to wake up from dream....is to be oneSelf.... > to be oneSelf....is to know the Self > to know the Self...is to give up oneself > > Marc > The thinnest last veil is removed. A 'physical' sense of separation. Raise The Vibration, Ana ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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