Guest guest Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 the mirror Itself.....is what let appear all This......but it is Not all This..... Self....and Non Self..... therefore.....i choose to give up my limited self.....this limited body-mind-intellect .... " who " is only a reflection of Self.... and no-thing else >>>> again... very lucid Marc... the mirror metaphor you use is very interesting I don't consider there to be a mirror, only what-is... but I see a sense in what you are saying as well and I see neither Self, nor Non Self I guess I don't see anything standing out as substantially real but I seem to understand what you say > i don't think that it is such easy..... > > therefore....in my words about Self...and so also about Non-Self.... > i try to explain thats it's worth still....to keep on moving up.... I know it's not easy, and I know it is not difficult As Krishnamurti would say, it is *arduous* Coming back again and again and again and again to what immediately presents Just that Is that " moving up " ? If so, OK then but more it seems not moving at all just being here, no moving at all never fighting what presents with open eyes and heart and mind accepting all Bill Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > M: > > to wake up from dream....is to be oneSelf.... > > to be oneSelf....is to know the Self > > to know the Self...is to give up oneself > > >>>>>> > > > > Very lucid! > > > > To be oneself is to give up oneself. > > > > But to " know " the Self is not knowing in the > > ordinary sense, such as knowing one's mother. > > Such knowing is what is left when all knowing > > has been removed. > > > > When all possible forms of knowing have been > > dissolved, vaporized, eliminated, when the > > landscape of consciousness is emptied of all > > the precious mental trinkets, then what > > remains is the landscape itself. > > > > The dim apperception of the landscape itself > > is the beginning of such a knowing. > > > > But it never ends because the landscape still > > has *some* qualities, and as those qualities > > come to be seen as transient they too melt > > away. > > > > So it comes to seen that it is always the > > " background " that is the Self. > > > > But that phase passes too, as eventually any > > sense of background/foreground dissolves. > > > > And perhaps then it can begin to be seen that > > what simply *is* is what is known, a knowing that > > is not a knowing *of* anything, but a knowing > > that is simply *itself* as a knowingness. > > > > But such a knowingness cares not what anything > > is called. The term " Self " has no special > > signficance. The term " to know " has no special > > signficance. That which is utterly empty and > > utterly full has no need, and no sense of any > > seeking. > > > > But if a term were to be used for that > > knowingness, could there be a better term than > > What Is? > > > > Notice that in the brightness of What Is > > knowing and known are one. There is no > > separation. In What Is all is moving and all > > is utterly still. All is utterly profound and > > transcendent, and yet immediate and present. > > Infinity and zero-distance are collapsed here, > > Now, in What Is. > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > Hi Bill, > > yes.....you look at things from " absolute " point of view.... > great that you already look from this point ..... > > it's like you reached the top of mountain....made a picture.... > and then show this picture ....telling: > " here is the view....you no more need to move up to the top " > > i don't think that it is such easy..... > > therefore....in my words about Self...and so also about Non-Self.... > i try to explain thats it's worth still....to keep on moving up.... > > sure.....i know that it's more comfortable to declare that : " I'm > Self.....or i'm God " ....after having seen this nice picture view.... > > there are even some people in here who think thats it's not necessary > to seek anything..... > to declare that this little " happiness, misery, luck, peace.... " > ...coming and going........that This is Self..... > no-thing but misery....lol > > you write: > " Notice that in the brightness of What Is > > knowing and known are one. There is no > > separation. In What Is all is moving and all > > is utterly still. All is utterly profound and > > transcendent, and yet immediate and present. > > Infinity and zero-distance are collapsed here, > > Now, in What Is. " > > great words.....thank you > > Now...in " What Is " ......(in my personal view)......there is Self..... > and this body-mind-intellect....which is only a reflection of > Self.....like all other appearences Are....only a reflection of > Self..... > > there is absolutley no reason to " see " any conflict....or to " create " > seperations.....in this reflections....... > after all .....they are only reflections...... > > the mirror Itself.....is what let appear all This......but it is Not > all This..... > > Self....and Non Self..... > > therefore.....i choose to give up my limited self.....this limited > body-mind-intellect .... " who " is only a reflection of Self.... > > and no-thing else > > Marc > > > > > Marc > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 In a message dated 2/13/2006 5:05:07 PM Pacific Standard Time, > therefore.....i choose to give up my limited self.....this limited > body-mind-intellect .... " who " is only a reflection of Self.... > L.E: Who is it that gives up? How can the Self, Infinite Nature reflect anything? There is no one who gives up. And there is no reflection. Larry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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