Guest guest Posted February 15, 2006 Report Share Posted February 15, 2006 --- ADHHUB a écrit : In a message dated 2/14/2006 11:32:19 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: " Stefan " <s.petersilge Re: about you Werner?? Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: >Howsoever, conceptualizing is what the mind does, and as much as some >of us conceptualize that stopping the conceptualizing is the thing to >do, it's still just another concept. IOW, the mind can never be used to >stop the mind, and we have nothing else to work with. Thanks Phil for your answer... and I think the above is all that has to be understood! Beyond this understanding all that can be done is: live a life of dignity. The mind will go on conceptualizing: this is its task, it is the survival mechanism. What I called " baloney " (to come back to the original subject) is the way how one conceptualizes the storeroom " mind " itself and put it into a certain grandiose framework by inventing instances that " logically " are behind it, or different " states " that are experienced: this is the " baloney " especially when it is sold as spiritual wisdom, that has to be " understood " (read: believed) in order to become " enlightened " (read: a good boy). You know what I mean. Greetings Stefan Sure, but it's just the seeming process of the evolution of human consciousness (A concept). Humans usually mistake themselves for teachers as we explore our own consciousness, but it doesn't really matter. The gurus teach us that nothing can be done to bring awareness, mostly because there is nobody to do it. This is true, but this is yet another concept,eh? I don't reject that concept, but I'm noticing some interesting things. Even the gurus notice that a disciplined mind and one that has actively explored the illusory nature of it's experience is strongly correlated with enlightenment. IOW, it very much matters what the mind does as it evolves toward it's own dissolution. There is indeed an evolutionary process and it's not really a matter of waiting around for the grace of God to descend. Who's grace would that really be? The teaching is intended to assure ego that it is not in control of the process of enlightenment, but this is not to say that there is no process occurring. One might ask why the teaching is done if there is not some sort of process going on. When ego hears that there is nothing to be done, it stops exploring, which has the advantage of weakening ego's intent to cause enlightenment to occur and may facilitate a degree of surrender to God. However, human consciousness is not done exploring and so believing that it must stop thinking, stop asking questions, stop looking within for the truth, amounts to spiritual stagnation and resistance. This is yet another part of the evolution over which ego has no control, and so nothing can be done about this. Phil Nice post Phil!! This denying of any kind of evolution is just not right... Patricia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2006 Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige wrote: > > > --- ADHHUB a écrit : > > > > > In a message dated 2/14/2006 11:32:19 AM Pacific > Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > " Stefan " <s.petersilge > Re: about you Werner?? > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ > wrote: > >Howsoever, conceptualizing is what the mind does, and > as much as some > >of us conceptualize that stopping the conceptualizing > is the thing to > >do, it's still just another concept. IOW, the mind > can never be used > to >stop the mind, and we have nothing else to work > with. > > Thanks Phil for your answer... and I think the above > is all that has > to be understood! Beyond this understanding all that > can be done is: > live a life of dignity. The mind will go on > conceptualizing: this is > its task, it is the survival mechanism. > > What I called " baloney " (to come back to the original > subject) is the > way how one conceptualizes the storeroom " mind " > itself and put it into a > certain grandiose framework by inventing instances > that " logically " > are behind it, or different " states " that are > experienced: this is the > " baloney " especially when it is sold as spiritual > wisdom, that has to > be " understood " (read: believed) in order to become > " enlightened " > (read: a good boy). You know what I mean. > > Greetings > Stefan > > > > > Sure, but it's just the seeming process of the > evolution of human > consciousness (A concept). Humans usually mistake > themselves for teachers as we explore > our own consciousness, but it doesn't really matter. > > The gurus teach us that nothing can be done to bring > awareness, mostly > because there is nobody to do it. This is true, but > this is yet another > concept,eh? I don't reject that concept, but I'm > noticing some interesting things. Even > the gurus notice that a disciplined mind and one that > has actively explored > the illusory nature of it's experience is strongly > correlated with > enlightenment. IOW, it very much matters what the mind > does as it evolves toward it's > own dissolution. There is indeed an evolutionary > process and it's not really a > matter of waiting around for the grace of God to > descend. Who's grace would > that really be? > > The teaching is intended to assure ego that it is not > in control of the > process of enlightenment, but this is not to say that > there is no process > occurring. One might ask why the teaching is done if > there is not some sort of > process going on. When ego hears that there is nothing > to be done, it stops > exploring, which has the advantage of weakening ego's > intent to cause enlightenment > to occur and may facilitate a degree of surrender to > God. However, human > consciousness is not done exploring and so believing > that it must stop thinking, > stop asking questions, stop looking within for the > truth, amounts to > spiritual stagnation and resistance. This is yet > another part of the evolution over > which ego has no control, and so nothing can be done > about this. > > Phil > > Nice post Phil!! This denying of any kind of evolution > is just not right... > Patricia ************** Patricia O'Connor has arrived. Here's a mug of mugwort for ya', sweety. Watch out for the Abyss over there, okay? Phil likes to dangle his feet over the edge once in a while. It scares the death out of me. HA-HA!!!! Git it? Death? Out of? Me? Where's my drum? It's time to dance, baby! Let's get this party started....... " Silver " > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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