Phil.....only ego?

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" Stefan " <s.petersilge

Re: about you Werner??

 

Hi Phil, you are giving me food for thought :-)

 

As you speak about gurus and the teaching... what

does " teaching "

mean? Lets look at the traditional way of a

guru/desciple

relationship, as Nisargadatta has described it many

times. The

rational aspect is not all. There is love, devotion,

surrender and

trust. This is very strong tobacco for the mind, who

thinks those are

opposed to freedom from beliefs. Especially hard for

the western mind!

 

Anyway, the master knows the dilemma: when he

emphasizes that the mind

is not in control of " waking up " , then there is

danger that the

desciple becomes lazy and only decorates his

suffering. When the

master encourages the desciple to use conscious

effort then there is

danger that he postpones the goal ad infinitum and

walking the path

becomes an end in itself.

 

The relationship between master and desciple can

help. Notice how

Nisargadatta talks about his own master and how it

was his trust that

made it happen. Being with someone of deep

understanding does not

create the realization. But it can create a vision

beyond the

incrossable line. It is like teaching music: a good

teacher does not

mainly teach by explaining how to play. He teaches by

playing.

 

In a deeper sense the master is already inside. But he

needs love,

devotion and trust to manifest. Those are emotions

that weaken the

strength of the ego which takes itself for the most

important entity

of the world. And this aproach can be undertaken by an

adult person

only, who does not anymore seek to be feeded... but

seeks because he

knows that there is nothing to lose but his head.

 

Greetings

Stefan

 

 

 

Yes, well said and I agree.

You say:

 

 

 

" Anyway, the master knows the dilemma: when he

emphasizes that the mind

is not in control of " waking up " , then there is

danger that the

desciple becomes lazy and only decorates his

suffering. When the

master encourages the desciple to use conscious effort

then there is

danger that he postpones the goal ad infinitum and

walking the path

becomes an end in itself. "

 

 

 

So, if mind believes it can do nothing, perhaps

evolution ceases. If it

believes it can do something, ego reinforces it's

illusory existence; an ego trap

that also halts evolution. I believe the sort of

evolution we're talking

about ends in ego surrender, and the paradox is that

both doing nothing and

doing something can keep that from occurring.

 

It seems to me that what needs to occur is an

exploration of truth that

weakens ego and it's attachments. Ego walks itself to

the gallows and this is a

rare thing indeed, engaged in only by those who have a

deep love of Truth.

Ultimately, ego puts it's own head on the chopping

block, because nobody else

can cause that to occur.

 

Phil

 

It seems that there is more than ego or mind trying to

walk to its own end. The other day you talked about

the circle of eternity,

The mind is in there, it is its parameters.

The circle also represent the microcosm of every human

being. It is a miniature universe that reflects the

entire macrocosme.

It is a most potent source of life and perhaps the

only true master of oneself.

The ego walks its path of illusory glory, from one

birth to its own end, but that microcosm has its very

own life and true evolution.

To understand and recognize that brings me to Openess,

listening and a lot more humility that I am naturally

enclined to. Also, Trust in oneself.

Greetings to you my friend,

Patricia