Guest guest Posted February 16, 2006 Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 >>If Realization is Peace then, what is the difference between Realization and Meditation? After all, meditation too leads to peace! Meditators meditate for hours each day to... calm their mind, to get rid of their negative emotions. They do it everyday... year after year! They meditate and are thus able to steady their mind... some day they forget and the mind wanders Again! It becomes kind of a game! Sometimes the [wandering] mind wins, sometimes the focus and steadiness wins! The liberation [from mind] remains elusive all the while! ... Then, with a sudden Flash... the mind is seen to be 'non existent'! There is no mind to be 'calmed', to make 'steady'... Or, to be 'liberated' from! Mind itself is a creation and the very effort to 'make' it 'steady' gives rise to the Mind! The Very effort to get 'beyond' mind, to become 'free' of mind... creates a 'mind'! Effort is... the Mind! ... Once that happens... 'peace' is no longer something to be 'gained'! Peace IS... any 'effort' simply creates a 'ripple' in it! Yet, the effort too is contained in this Very Peace! And, here, it is important no to confuse 'effort' with 'action'! Effort simply means non-acceptance of 'what is'! Effort means the attempt, the desire to go again What Is... against the Flow! As long as action happens through Flow... it is simply the nature working while Self remains Action-less, untouched, unattached! But, the very no-acceptance of What Is... the Flow... creates a boundary, a separation... a 'separate' 'entity'... the entity called 'mind', the entity called 'self'! And, even the 'effort' to get rid of that entity... ultimately works only to 'strengthen' it! It creates a SOLID 'seeker' looking for 'liberation'! ...and, its Very *effort* obscures the liberation that already exists! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2006 Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 [...] > As long as action happens through > Flow... it is simply the nature working > while Self remains Action-less, > untouched, unattached! > > But, the very non-acceptance of What > Is... the Flow... creates a boundary, a > separation... a 'separate' 'entity'... > the entity called 'mind', the entity > called 'self'! > > And, even the 'effort' to get rid of > that entity... ultimately works only to > 'strengthen' it! > > It creates a SOLID 'seeker' looking > for 'liberation'! > > ...and, its Very *effort* obscures the > liberation that already exists! > >>But, I still haven't understood how realization/enlightenment makes any difference in this regard? With the 'transition' that happens... the natural peace is again automatically restored and requires no separate effort to gain and sustain it. A journey takes place where the focus shifts from the alternating surface waves and bubbles to the depth of the calm, still Ocean! The Self is seen as That... STILL, Aware, unbound Blissful IN which all temporary phenomenon rise and fall! The Self needs to make no *effort* to remain itself! Mind is seen as the entity that rise and fall. Yet, this rise and fall doesn't affect Self! Both the bondage as well as the *search* for 'liberation' only exist in the mind which itself is a creation. A creation that itself rises and falls! >>But, just realizing THAT wouldn't make someone peaceful - would it? No. Not necessarily... but, the ultimate futility of the very attempt to 'become peaceful' is seen! Mind like anything in nature is subject to natural laws and its input and like anything in the nature mind too goes through phases and transitions! Like everything else in nature, mind too doesn't exist in isolation but is result of all that is! It is a tool that is used to play the *game* of life... the game of forms, the game of world... it is what enables the leela! And, all desires belong to the mind alone including the desires... to 'be free of mind', 'learn liberation from mind', 'be free of death and birth', 'to end suffering'... to become 'enlightened'! .... Abiding as Self... there is Total Peace... there are no problems... no birth and death... neither bondage nor any [need for] liberation! Mind itself is *bound* by its nature and is subject to its laws! However, it is something to be *understood* and appropriately used and not something to *fight* with! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 thank-you Arvind, good post, The mind get muscled through resisting. --- Adithya K <adithya_comming a écrit : >>If Realization is Peace then, what is the difference between Realization and Meditation? After all, meditation too leads to peace! Meditators meditate for hours each day to... calm their mind, to get rid of their negative emotions. They do it everyday... year after year! They meditate and are thus able to steady their mind... some day they forget and the mind wanders Again! It becomes kind of a game! Sometimes the [wandering] mind wins, sometimes the focus and steadiness wins! The liberation [from mind] remains elusive all the while! ... Then, with a sudden Flash... the mind is seen to be 'non existent'! There is no mind to be 'calmed', to make 'steady'... Or, to be 'liberated' from! Mind itself is a creation and the very effort to 'make' it 'steady' gives rise to the Mind! The Very effort to get 'beyond' mind, to become 'free' of mind... creates a 'mind'! Effort is... the Mind! ... Once that happens... 'peace' is no longer something to be 'gained'! Peace IS... any 'effort' simply creates a 'ripple' in it! Yet, the effort too is contained in this Very Peace! And, here, it is important no to confuse 'effort' with 'action'! Effort simply means non-acceptance of 'what is'! Effort means the attempt, the desire to go again What Is... against the Flow! As long as action happens through Flow... it is simply the nature working while Self remains Action-less, untouched, unattached! But, the very no-acceptance of What Is... the Flow... creates a boundary, a separation... a 'separate' 'entity'... the entity called 'mind', the entity called 'self'! And, even the 'effort' to get rid of that entity... ultimately works only to 'strengthen' it! It creates a SOLID 'seeker' looking for 'liberation'! ...and, its Very *effort* obscures the liberation that already exists! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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