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> I guess the bottom line here for me is that change is an illusion and not

> meaningful in the Absolute of consciousness. The film is already in the can.

>

>

> Phil

 

L.E: The Absolute of Consciousness or the Infinite Creative Potential is

creating all of material existence so just as I am aware, It is aware and that

my

awareness, is It's awareness. I AM the eye through which It sees and

expereinces as we all are.

Thats how it seems to me.

" The film is already in the can. " What in the world does that mean? That

something that was expected has already happened? Is the film the everyday

world

that the Infinite Creative Potential is making, or has already made? Does it

mean that something has already been finished and completed? The statement

has a great verbal zing, but whatever are you trying to say?

 

Larry Epston

www.epston.com

 

 

 

 

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Oh my God, Larry !

 

Shock: The Absolute of Consciousness or the Infinite Creative

Potential.

 

Consciousness is just a shabby little function of the brain needed

that social beings like humans can communicate with each other and

share their world.

 

And that " Infinite Creative Potential " is just an expression with

which its user tries to decorate and inflate himself and it is not

more than a burb or a fart.

 

Werner

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , epston wrote:

>

>

> > I guess the bottom line here for me is that change is an illusion

and not

> > meaningful in the Absolute of consciousness. The film is already

in the can.

> >

> >

> > Phil

>

> L.E: The Absolute of Consciousness or the Infinite Creative

Potential is

> creating all of material existence so just as I am aware, It is

aware and that my

> awareness, is It's awareness. I AM the eye through which It sees

and

> expereinces as we all are.

> Thats how it seems to me.

> " The film is already in the can. " What in the world does that

mean? That

> something that was expected has already happened? Is the film the

everyday world

> that the Infinite Creative Potential is making, or has already

made? Does it

> mean that something has already been finished and completed? The

statement

> has a great verbal zing, but whatever are you trying to say?

>

> Larry Epston

> www.epston.com

>

>

>

>

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In a message dated 2/19/2006 11:42:35 AM Pacific Standard Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

epston

Re: Phil- I Am / Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj

 

 

> I guess the bottom line here for me is that change is an illusion and not

> meaningful in the Absolute of consciousness. The film is already in the

can.

>

>

> Phil

 

L.E: The Absolute of Consciousness or the Infinite Creative Potential is

creating all of material existence so just as I am aware, It is aware and

that my

awareness, is It's awareness. I AM the eye through which It sees and

expereinces as we all are.

Thats how it seems to me.

" The film is already in the can. " What in the world does that mean? That

something that was expected has already happened? Is the film the everyday

world

that the Infinite Creative Potential is making, or has already made? Does

it

mean that something has already been finished and completed? The statement

has a great verbal zing, but whatever are you trying to say?

 

Larry Epston

 

 

 

Well, the difficulty we run into when conceptualizing the Absolute

(Admittedly, an impossible task, but it's fun to try.) is that we tend to

project our

reality onto the Absolute, which results in all sorts of unresolvable

paradoxes, which I believe is what has happened in this discussion.

 

Linear time is a construction of mind/memory; essentially a concept only.

Without memory there is no concept of past, and since memory is used in our

projections into a supposed future, there is no concept of future. An individual

with no memory can only exist in the now, which of course would leave him

totally unable to function in the world.

 

Mind/memory is a human thing only. Consciousness is 'outside' of the

experiential realm and has no use for mind/memory. Consciousness does not need

to

perceive or experience or remember since there is nothing that it is not.

Consciousness IS all things, and knows all things by virtue of being all

things.

 

The image that was very useful in helping me to see this is that of a path,

along which lie all the events of our lives. From the human perspective, we

experience only where we are along the path, even though all 'future' events

already exist ahead of us. The events have yet to unfold and how they unfold

is a function of our karmic inheritance and the functioning of the totality

of consciousness, but from the perspective outside of linear time, the entire

path is 'seen' and 'known' and in this sense, the events have already taken

place even though they have yet to be experienced by the human.

 

This is what I mean by " the film is already in the can " . Since from the

perspective of consciousness, all events have already occurred, there is no

cause

and effect relationship between consciousness and the human experience.

We're free to imagine that experiential reality 'did' affect consciousness, but

this alleged effect has always been so and does not occur in a linear framework

of cause and effect.

 

Phil

 

 

 

 

 

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In a message dated 2/19/2006 8:56:11 PM Pacific Standard Time, ADHHUB

writes:

 

> even though all 'future' events

> already exist ahead of us. The events have yet to unfold and how they

> unfold

> is a function of our karmic inheritance and the functioning of the totality

>

> of consciousness, but from the perspective outside of linear time, the

> entire

> path is 'seen' and 'known' and in this sense, the events have already taken

>

> place even though they have yet to be experienced by the human.

>

 

L.E: This is just not true and does not exist. There is no future that

exists beyond the here and now. There is no karmic inheritenfence, only genetic

inheritance. Where do these invented theories come from. They are beliefs and

not experiences.

 

Larry

 

 

 

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In a message dated 2/20/2006 5:37:25 AM Pacific Standard Time,

bigwaaba writes:

 

> Nisargadatta , epston wrote:

> >

> >In a message dated 2/19/2006 8:56:11 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> ADHHUB

> >writes:

> >

> >>even though all 'future' events

> >>already exist ahead of us. The events have yet to unfold and

> how they

> >>unfold

> >>is a function of our karmic inheritance and the functioning of

> the totality

> >>

> >>of consciousness, but from the perspective outside of linear

> time, the

> >>entire

> >>path is 'seen' and 'known' and in this sense, the events have

> already taken

> >>

> >>place even though they have yet to be experienced by the human.

> >>

> >

> >L.E: This is just not true and does not exist. There is no future

> that

> >exists beyond the here and now. There is no karmic inheritenfence,

> only genetic

> >inheritance. Where do these invented theories come from. They are

> beliefs and

> >not experiences.

> >

> >Larry

> >

>

> mm mmm

>

> where does genetic theory come from?

>

>

 

L.E: Genetic theory come from the study of genes which exist in the ordinary

world. The future and karma do not exist in the ordinary world.

 

Larry

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , epston wrote:

>

> In a message dated 2/19/2006 8:56:11 PM Pacific Standard Time,

ADHHUB

> writes:

>

> > even though all 'future' events

> > already exist ahead of us. The events have yet to unfold and

how they

> > unfold

> > is a function of our karmic inheritance and the functioning of

the totality

> >

> > of consciousness, but from the perspective outside of linear

time, the

> > entire

> > path is 'seen' and 'known' and in this sense, the events have

already taken

> >

> > place even though they have yet to be experienced by the human.

> >

>

> L.E: This is just not true and does not exist. There is no future

that

> exists beyond the here and now. There is no karmic inheritenfence,

only genetic

> inheritance. Where do these invented theories come from. They are

beliefs and

> not experiences.

>

> Larry

>

 

mm mmm

 

where does genetic theory come from?

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> >

> > mm mmm

> >

> > where does genetic theory come from?

> >

> >

>

> L.E: Genetic theory come from the study of genes which exist in the

ordinary

> world. The future and karma do not exist in the ordinary world.

>

> Larry

>

 

 

" ordinary world " is a song of Duran Duran, isn't it?

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In a message dated 2/20/2006 5:59:29 AM Pacific Standard Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

epston

Re: Phil- I Am / Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj

 

In a message dated 2/19/2006 8:56:11 PM Pacific Standard Time,

ADHHUB

writes:

 

> even though all 'future' events

> already exist ahead of us. The events have yet to unfold and how they

> unfold

> is a function of our karmic inheritance and the functioning of the

totality

>

> of consciousness, but from the perspective outside of linear time, the

> entire

> path is 'seen' and 'known' and in this sense, the events have already

taken

>

> place even though they have yet to be experienced by the human.

>

 

L.E: This is just not true and does not exist. There is no future that

exists beyond the here and now. There is no karmic inheritenfence, only

genetic

inheritance. Where do these invented theories come from. They are beliefs

and

not experiences.

 

Larry

 

 

 

 

Context.

If there is no future, do you feel foolish setting your alarm?

Genetic inheritance is real and karmic inheritance is not? Why, because it's

scientifically validated?

 

Phil

 

 

 

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In a message dated 2/20/2006 6:12:31 PM Pacific Standard Time, ADHHUB

writes:

 

> Context.

> If there is no future, do you feel foolish setting your alarm?

 

 

L.E: No, I set my alarm in the here and now, it ticks in the here and now and

goes off in the here and now. I'm surprised you don't know that.

 

> Genetic inheritance is real and karmic inheritance is not? Why, because

> it's

> scientifically validated?

 

L.E: Is there something wrong with scientific validation? There is nothing

to karma except rumor, belief and myth. I prefer science although it doesn't

cover all possibilities. And if karma is a matter of choice, I choose not to

accept it. Along with a lot of other religous bullcrap.

 

Larry

 

>

> Phil

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , epston wrote:

>

> In a message dated 2/20/2006 6:12:31 PM Pacific Standard Time,

ADHHUB

> writes:

>

> > Context.

> > If there is no future, do you feel foolish setting your alarm?

>

>

> L.E: No, I set my alarm in the here and now, it ticks in the here

and now and

> goes off in the here and now. I'm surprised you don't know that.

>

> > Genetic inheritance is real and karmic inheritance is not? Why,

because

> > it's

> > scientifically validated?

>

> L.E: Is there something wrong with scientific validation? There

is nothing

> to karma except rumor, belief and myth. I prefer science although

it doesn't

> cover all possibilities. And if karma is a matter of choice, I

choose not to

> accept it. Along with a lot of other religous bullcrap.

>

> Larry

>

 

 

of course karma is not a matter of choice

neither preferring science.

i myself think karma is based on believes but if i look into science,

well...not so much difference!

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Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote:

> >

> > In a message dated 2/20/2006 6:12:31 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> ADHHUB@

> > writes:

> >

> > > Context.

> > > If there is no future, do you feel foolish setting your alarm?

> >

> >

> > L.E: No, I set my alarm in the here and now, it ticks in the here

> and now and

> > goes off in the here and now. I'm surprised you don't know that.

> >

> > > Genetic inheritance is real and karmic inheritance is not? Why,

> because

> > > it's

> > > scientifically validated?

> >

> > L.E: Is there something wrong with scientific validation? There

> is nothing

> > to karma except rumor, belief and myth. I prefer science

although

> it doesn't

> > cover all possibilities. And if karma is a matter of choice, I

> choose not to

> > accept it. Along with a lot of other religous bullcrap.

> >

> > Larry

> >

>

>

> of course karma is not a matter of choice

> neither preferring science.

> i myself think karma is based on believes but if i look into

science,

> well...not so much difference!

 

 

karma is about the effect of the yesterdays " bullcrap " ....which has

still value today......and if one continue to be attached

to " bullcrap " .....it will have some effect on future too.....:)

 

yes....one can't get out of this " Karma " ....as long one is attached

to " bullcrap "

 

Marc

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In a message dated 2/21/2006 1:55:04 AM Pacific Standard Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

epston

Re: Phil- I Am / Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj

 

In a message dated 2/20/2006 6:12:31 PM Pacific Standard Time,

ADHHUB

writes:

 

> Context.

> If there is no future, do you feel foolish setting your alarm?

 

 

L.E: No, I set my alarm in the here and now, it ticks in the here and now

and

goes off in the here and now. I'm surprised you don't know that.

 

 

 

P: Oh, okay. Thanks for clarifying that. Heheeee.

 

 

 

 

> Genetic inheritance is real and karmic inheritance is not? Why, because

> it's

> scientifically validated?

 

L.E: Is there something wrong with scientific validation? There is nothing

to karma except rumor, belief and myth. I prefer science although it

doesn't

cover all possibilities. And if karma is a matter of choice, I choose not

to

accept it. Along with a lot of other religous bullcrap.

 

Larry

 

 

 

P: There's nothing wrong with scientific validation. It's just that such

validation is actually a creation of consciousness rather than the objectivity

that it's imagined to be. How far does the universe extend? As far as we can

see with our largest telescope.

 

Phil

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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