Guest guest Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 > I guess the bottom line here for me is that change is an illusion and not > meaningful in the Absolute of consciousness. The film is already in the can. > > > Phil L.E: The Absolute of Consciousness or the Infinite Creative Potential is creating all of material existence so just as I am aware, It is aware and that my awareness, is It's awareness. I AM the eye through which It sees and expereinces as we all are. Thats how it seems to me. " The film is already in the can. " What in the world does that mean? That something that was expected has already happened? Is the film the everyday world that the Infinite Creative Potential is making, or has already made? Does it mean that something has already been finished and completed? The statement has a great verbal zing, but whatever are you trying to say? Larry Epston www.epston.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 Oh my God, Larry ! Shock: The Absolute of Consciousness or the Infinite Creative Potential. Consciousness is just a shabby little function of the brain needed that social beings like humans can communicate with each other and share their world. And that " Infinite Creative Potential " is just an expression with which its user tries to decorate and inflate himself and it is not more than a burb or a fart. Werner Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > > > I guess the bottom line here for me is that change is an illusion and not > > meaningful in the Absolute of consciousness. The film is already in the can. > > > > > > Phil > > L.E: The Absolute of Consciousness or the Infinite Creative Potential is > creating all of material existence so just as I am aware, It is aware and that my > awareness, is It's awareness. I AM the eye through which It sees and > expereinces as we all are. > Thats how it seems to me. > " The film is already in the can. " What in the world does that mean? That > something that was expected has already happened? Is the film the everyday world > that the Infinite Creative Potential is making, or has already made? Does it > mean that something has already been finished and completed? The statement > has a great verbal zing, but whatever are you trying to say? > > Larry Epston > www.epston.com > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2006 Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 In a message dated 2/19/2006 11:42:35 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: epston Re: Phil- I Am / Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj > I guess the bottom line here for me is that change is an illusion and not > meaningful in the Absolute of consciousness. The film is already in the can. > > > Phil L.E: The Absolute of Consciousness or the Infinite Creative Potential is creating all of material existence so just as I am aware, It is aware and that my awareness, is It's awareness. I AM the eye through which It sees and expereinces as we all are. Thats how it seems to me. " The film is already in the can. " What in the world does that mean? That something that was expected has already happened? Is the film the everyday world that the Infinite Creative Potential is making, or has already made? Does it mean that something has already been finished and completed? The statement has a great verbal zing, but whatever are you trying to say? Larry Epston Well, the difficulty we run into when conceptualizing the Absolute (Admittedly, an impossible task, but it's fun to try.) is that we tend to project our reality onto the Absolute, which results in all sorts of unresolvable paradoxes, which I believe is what has happened in this discussion. Linear time is a construction of mind/memory; essentially a concept only. Without memory there is no concept of past, and since memory is used in our projections into a supposed future, there is no concept of future. An individual with no memory can only exist in the now, which of course would leave him totally unable to function in the world. Mind/memory is a human thing only. Consciousness is 'outside' of the experiential realm and has no use for mind/memory. Consciousness does not need to perceive or experience or remember since there is nothing that it is not. Consciousness IS all things, and knows all things by virtue of being all things. The image that was very useful in helping me to see this is that of a path, along which lie all the events of our lives. From the human perspective, we experience only where we are along the path, even though all 'future' events already exist ahead of us. The events have yet to unfold and how they unfold is a function of our karmic inheritance and the functioning of the totality of consciousness, but from the perspective outside of linear time, the entire path is 'seen' and 'known' and in this sense, the events have already taken place even though they have yet to be experienced by the human. This is what I mean by " the film is already in the can " . Since from the perspective of consciousness, all events have already occurred, there is no cause and effect relationship between consciousness and the human experience. We're free to imagine that experiential reality 'did' affect consciousness, but this alleged effect has always been so and does not occur in a linear framework of cause and effect. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2006 Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 In a message dated 2/19/2006 8:56:11 PM Pacific Standard Time, ADHHUB writes: > even though all 'future' events > already exist ahead of us. The events have yet to unfold and how they > unfold > is a function of our karmic inheritance and the functioning of the totality > > of consciousness, but from the perspective outside of linear time, the > entire > path is 'seen' and 'known' and in this sense, the events have already taken > > place even though they have yet to be experienced by the human. > L.E: This is just not true and does not exist. There is no future that exists beyond the here and now. There is no karmic inheritenfence, only genetic inheritance. Where do these invented theories come from. They are beliefs and not experiences. Larry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2006 Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 In a message dated 2/20/2006 5:37:25 AM Pacific Standard Time, bigwaaba writes: > Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > > >In a message dated 2/19/2006 8:56:11 PM Pacific Standard Time, > ADHHUB > >writes: > > > >>even though all 'future' events > >>already exist ahead of us. The events have yet to unfold and > how they > >>unfold > >>is a function of our karmic inheritance and the functioning of > the totality > >> > >>of consciousness, but from the perspective outside of linear > time, the > >>entire > >>path is 'seen' and 'known' and in this sense, the events have > already taken > >> > >>place even though they have yet to be experienced by the human. > >> > > > >L.E: This is just not true and does not exist. There is no future > that > >exists beyond the here and now. There is no karmic inheritenfence, > only genetic > >inheritance. Where do these invented theories come from. They are > beliefs and > >not experiences. > > > >Larry > > > > mm mmm > > where does genetic theory come from? > > L.E: Genetic theory come from the study of genes which exist in the ordinary world. The future and karma do not exist in the ordinary world. Larry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2006 Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 2/19/2006 8:56:11 PM Pacific Standard Time, ADHHUB > writes: > > > even though all 'future' events > > already exist ahead of us. The events have yet to unfold and how they > > unfold > > is a function of our karmic inheritance and the functioning of the totality > > > > of consciousness, but from the perspective outside of linear time, the > > entire > > path is 'seen' and 'known' and in this sense, the events have already taken > > > > place even though they have yet to be experienced by the human. > > > > L.E: This is just not true and does not exist. There is no future that > exists beyond the here and now. There is no karmic inheritenfence, only genetic > inheritance. Where do these invented theories come from. They are beliefs and > not experiences. > > Larry > mm mmm where does genetic theory come from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2006 Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 > > > > mm mmm > > > > where does genetic theory come from? > > > > > > L.E: Genetic theory come from the study of genes which exist in the ordinary > world. The future and karma do not exist in the ordinary world. > > Larry > " ordinary world " is a song of Duran Duran, isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2006 Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 In a message dated 2/20/2006 5:59:29 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: epston Re: Phil- I Am / Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj In a message dated 2/19/2006 8:56:11 PM Pacific Standard Time, ADHHUB writes: > even though all 'future' events > already exist ahead of us. The events have yet to unfold and how they > unfold > is a function of our karmic inheritance and the functioning of the totality > > of consciousness, but from the perspective outside of linear time, the > entire > path is 'seen' and 'known' and in this sense, the events have already taken > > place even though they have yet to be experienced by the human. > L.E: This is just not true and does not exist. There is no future that exists beyond the here and now. There is no karmic inheritenfence, only genetic inheritance. Where do these invented theories come from. They are beliefs and not experiences. Larry Context. If there is no future, do you feel foolish setting your alarm? Genetic inheritance is real and karmic inheritance is not? Why, because it's scientifically validated? Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2006 Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 In a message dated 2/20/2006 6:12:31 PM Pacific Standard Time, ADHHUB writes: > Context. > If there is no future, do you feel foolish setting your alarm? L.E: No, I set my alarm in the here and now, it ticks in the here and now and goes off in the here and now. I'm surprised you don't know that. > Genetic inheritance is real and karmic inheritance is not? Why, because > it's > scientifically validated? L.E: Is there something wrong with scientific validation? There is nothing to karma except rumor, belief and myth. I prefer science although it doesn't cover all possibilities. And if karma is a matter of choice, I choose not to accept it. Along with a lot of other religous bullcrap. Larry > > Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 2/20/2006 6:12:31 PM Pacific Standard Time, ADHHUB > writes: > > > Context. > > If there is no future, do you feel foolish setting your alarm? > > > L.E: No, I set my alarm in the here and now, it ticks in the here and now and > goes off in the here and now. I'm surprised you don't know that. > > > Genetic inheritance is real and karmic inheritance is not? Why, because > > it's > > scientifically validated? > > L.E: Is there something wrong with scientific validation? There is nothing > to karma except rumor, belief and myth. I prefer science although it doesn't > cover all possibilities. And if karma is a matter of choice, I choose not to > accept it. Along with a lot of other religous bullcrap. > > Larry > of course karma is not a matter of choice neither preferring science. i myself think karma is based on believes but if i look into science, well...not so much difference! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba wrote: > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > In a message dated 2/20/2006 6:12:31 PM Pacific Standard Time, > ADHHUB@ > > writes: > > > > > Context. > > > If there is no future, do you feel foolish setting your alarm? > > > > > > L.E: No, I set my alarm in the here and now, it ticks in the here > and now and > > goes off in the here and now. I'm surprised you don't know that. > > > > > Genetic inheritance is real and karmic inheritance is not? Why, > because > > > it's > > > scientifically validated? > > > > L.E: Is there something wrong with scientific validation? There > is nothing > > to karma except rumor, belief and myth. I prefer science although > it doesn't > > cover all possibilities. And if karma is a matter of choice, I > choose not to > > accept it. Along with a lot of other religous bullcrap. > > > > Larry > > > > > of course karma is not a matter of choice > neither preferring science. > i myself think karma is based on believes but if i look into science, > well...not so much difference! karma is about the effect of the yesterdays " bullcrap " ....which has still value today......and if one continue to be attached to " bullcrap " .....it will have some effect on future too..... yes....one can't get out of this " Karma " ....as long one is attached to " bullcrap " Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 In a message dated 2/21/2006 1:55:04 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: epston Re: Phil- I Am / Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj In a message dated 2/20/2006 6:12:31 PM Pacific Standard Time, ADHHUB writes: > Context. > If there is no future, do you feel foolish setting your alarm? L.E: No, I set my alarm in the here and now, it ticks in the here and now and goes off in the here and now. I'm surprised you don't know that. P: Oh, okay. Thanks for clarifying that. Heheeee. > Genetic inheritance is real and karmic inheritance is not? Why, because > it's > scientifically validated? L.E: Is there something wrong with scientific validation? There is nothing to karma except rumor, belief and myth. I prefer science although it doesn't cover all possibilities. And if karma is a matter of choice, I choose not to accept it. Along with a lot of other religous bullcrap. Larry P: There's nothing wrong with scientific validation. It's just that such validation is actually a creation of consciousness rather than the objectivity that it's imagined to be. How far does the universe extend? As far as we can see with our largest telescope. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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