Empty shadows dancing in the silence of Peace (((dualis

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In the beginning it may seem that " one " is seeking

Peace. In the end it is Peace that realizes itself

as the one true nature, and all the chaotic wandering

comes to an end.

Bill

 

 

 

 

In the beginning, one conceptualizes dualistic peace because that's the only

peace known by the mind; the experience of peace against the backdrop of

non-peace. This is how it must be. One cannot experience one polarity of a

duality only.

 

Anyone who has had an experience of bliss, love, joy, oneness, knows this to

be so. Such experiences are dualistic and must inevitably be followed by it's

experiential polarity. The kids start screaming, the wife nags, the boss

yells and all you want to do is go home and meditate and get back into that

state and you want to stay there forever, but this can never happen. The road

to

heaven exists but by the grace of hell. This is the nature of experience in

the relative illusion.

 

Peace is ultimately not a state to be achieved nor is it an experience of

anything because it is not something apart from what you are. When it is noticed

that love, joy, peace is the very essence of what you are, the experiential

backdrop falls away and it ceases to be a dualistic experience. It is known

that there is no such thing as non-peace and there is no experience that can

change the essence of what you know yourself to be.

 

(Just rambling to my Self)

 

Phil

 

 

 

In a message dated 2/19/2006 2:53:21 AM Pacific Standard Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

" billrishel " <illusyn

Empty shadows dancing in the silence of Peace (((Re: dualism is

not

 

Phil:

If you suddenly knew yourself to be peace, not the

experience of feeling peaceful, but a knowing that

you are that quality itself, would it be possible to

release the identification with the dualistic

perception of peace/non-peace and simply rest in the

knowing of what you are, which has nothing to do

with either perception or the dualistic concept of

peace?

>>>

 

Note:

Consistently good questions raised by this writer...

 

<<

If you suddenly knew yourself to be peace, not the

experience of feeling peaceful, but a knowing that you

are that quality itself...

>>

It is a bit inverted of what is stated here, I would

say. Peace itself is the *knowing* of Peace.

 

The distinction between " experiential peace " and

" real peace " , or Deep Peace, or simply Peace is

quite apt. Deep Peace is not experiential. It is

and always has been. When the clutter of confusion

clears away Deep Peace becomes evident... but not

to " someone " . It is as if Deep Peace *realizes

itself*.

 

Another way to look at it is that Deep Peace is

a kind of *ultimate solvent*. Gradually all the

clutter that obscures the true, deep nature of

Peace melts away in the ever-present fundamental

clarity. And eventually all that remains is Deep

Peace.

 

<<

would it be possible to release the identification with the

dualistic perception of peace/non-peace and simply rest in

the knowing of what you are

>>

When Deep Peace becomes " established " there is no

" one " to release anything, there is no identification

to release, etc.

 

However, it is true that there can be a *sense of*

Deep Peace before it has become fully established.

One might think of such as " nirvana bubbles " that

show up in the froth of confusion. But there is nothing

to be done to hurry the process up. It is not the

" individual " that does anything in this process.

The process is that of Deep Peace itself.

 

But even so, once the " sense of Deep Peace " becomes

known, even if there are many trials remaining, many

habit patterns of false identification to thrash

through (and that *if* is very highly likely!), there

remains (I will say) an underlying sense of Peace

nevertheless that makes those trials so much more

bearable.

 

In the beginning it may seem that " one " is seeking

Peace. In the end it is Peace that realizes itself

as the one true nature, and all the chaotic wandering

comes to an end.

 

It can be compared to the " Copernical Revolution " .

Copernicus simplified everything by postulating that

the Earth revolves around the Sun, rather than the

other way around. In a similar way, it is ultimately

realized that it is not the " one " that finds Peace,

but rather that all the " appearances " are

appearances withing Peace, that Peace is all there

really is, that the appearances are empty shadows

dancing in the silence of Peace.

 

 

Bill