Guest guest Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 the witness has no name and form....therefore It is witness.....of the moving entity, which can't be realy " aware or conscient " of Self, in being in move when the mind is quite....and peaceful..... there is a chance that one become aware of this witness..... and at same time....one become aware of the fiction-witness of own body-mind-intellect....which one took for real...... this are inner experiences.....there are no words or concepts who could describe exactly what exactly happen in such experiences.... fact is....that the one who experience This....more and more...... is melting kind of....with Self.....into One (non-dual) being.... means....the ego will be no more i didn't read any of Nisargadatta books....only heard few statements of him....here and there...... but i think that he had no more....ego-consciousness...... he melted completely with this witness.....which is Self Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Marc. Better first start reading Niz and study him and then maybe you can make a comment which makes sense. But a sentence like you ended with: " he melted completely with this witness.....which is Self " Is rubbish, utter nonsense. There is no witness, there exists no entity which can melt with something, and the Self is the joker card of people suffering fron romantic megalomania. Werner Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > > > the witness has no name and form....therefore It is witness.....of > the moving entity, which can't be realy " aware or conscient " of Self, > in being in move > > when the mind is quite....and peaceful..... > there is a chance that one become aware of this witness..... > and at same time....one become aware of the fiction-witness of own > body-mind-intellect....which one took for real...... > > this are inner experiences.....there are no words or concepts who > could describe exactly what exactly happen in such experiences.... > > fact is....that the one who experience This....more and more...... > is melting kind of....with Self.....into One (non-dual) being.... > means....the ego will be no more > > i didn't read any of Nisargadatta books....only heard few statements > of him....here and there...... > but i think that he had no more....ego-consciousness...... > he melted completely with this witness.....which is Self > > Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > Hi troubled Werner, it seem that you have learned nothing...in studying all this nice books..... yes....Werner.....therefore, you can't experience any real peace.....and so, you continue to be attached to this Werner- fiction..... have fun....with whoever...and whatever fiction.... nobody care Marc > Marc. > > Better first start reading Niz and study him and then maybe you can > make a comment which makes sense. > > But a sentence like you ended with: > " he melted completely with this witness.....which is Self " > > Is rubbish, utter nonsense. > > There is no witness, > there exists no entity which can melt with something, > and the Self is the joker card of people suffering fron romantic > megalomania. > > Werner > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > the witness has no name and form....therefore It is witness.....of > > the moving entity, which can't be realy " aware or conscient " of > Self, > > in being in move > > > > when the mind is quite....and peaceful..... > > there is a chance that one become aware of this witness..... > > and at same time....one become aware of the fiction-witness of own > > body-mind-intellect....which one took for real...... > > > > this are inner experiences.....there are no words or concepts who > > could describe exactly what exactly happen in such experiences.... > > > > fact is....that the one who experience This....more and more...... > > is melting kind of....with Self.....into One (non-dual) being.... > > means....the ego will be no more > > > > i didn't read any of Nisargadatta books....only heard few > statements > > of him....here and there...... > > but i think that he had no more....ego-consciousness...... > > he melted completely with this witness.....which is Self > > > > Marc > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > wrote: > > > > Hi troubled Werner, > > it seem that you have learned nothing...in studying all this nice > books..... > > yes....Werner.....therefore, you can't experience any real > peace.....and so, you continue to be attached to this Werner- > fiction..... > > have fun....with whoever...and whatever fiction.... > > nobody care > > > > Marc > you see, karma at work! > > Marc. > > > > Better first start reading Niz and study him and then maybe you can > > make a comment which makes sense. > > > > But a sentence like you ended with: > > " he melted completely with this witness.....which is Self " > > > > Is rubbish, utter nonsense. > > > > There is no witness, > > there exists no entity which can melt with something, > > and the Self is the joker card of people suffering fron romantic > > megalomania. > > > > Werner > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > the witness has no name and form....therefore It is > witness.....of > > > the moving entity, which can't be realy " aware or conscient " of > > Self, > > > in being in move > > > > > > when the mind is quite....and peaceful..... > > > there is a chance that one become aware of this witness..... > > > and at same time....one become aware of the fiction-witness of > own > > > body-mind-intellect....which one took for real...... > > > > > > this are inner experiences.....there are no words or concepts who > > > could describe exactly what exactly happen in such experiences.... > > > > > > fact is....that the one who experience This....more and more...... > > > is melting kind of....with Self.....into One (non-dual) being.... > > > means....the ego will be no more > > > > > > i didn't read any of Nisargadatta books....only heard few > > statements > > > of him....here and there...... > > > but i think that he had no more....ego-consciousness...... > > > he melted completely with this witness.....which is Self > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi troubled Werner, > > > > it seem that you have learned nothing...in studying all this nice > > books..... > > > > yes....Werner.....therefore, you can't experience any real > > peace.....and so, you continue to be attached to this Werner- > > fiction..... > > > > have fun....with whoever...and whatever fiction.... > > > > nobody care > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > you see, karma at work! you see " Karma at work " ....? i don't see..... Marc > > > > > > > Marc. > > > > > > Better first start reading Niz and study him and then maybe you > can > > > make a comment which makes sense. > > > > > > But a sentence like you ended with: > > > " he melted completely with this witness.....which is Self " > > > > > > Is rubbish, utter nonsense. > > > > > > There is no witness, > > > there exists no entity which can melt with something, > > > and the Self is the joker card of people suffering fron romantic > > > megalomania. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the witness has no name and form....therefore It is > > witness.....of > > > > the moving entity, which can't be realy " aware or conscient " of > > > Self, > > > > in being in move > > > > > > > > when the mind is quite....and peaceful..... > > > > there is a chance that one become aware of this witness..... > > > > and at same time....one become aware of the fiction-witness of > > own > > > > body-mind-intellect....which one took for real...... > > > > > > > > this are inner experiences.....there are no words or concepts > who > > > > could describe exactly what exactly happen in such > experiences.... > > > > > > > > fact is....that the one who experience This....more and > more...... > > > > is melting kind of....with Self.....into One (non-dual) > being.... > > > > means....the ego will be no more > > > > > > > > i didn't read any of Nisargadatta books....only heard few > > > statements > > > > of him....here and there...... > > > > but i think that he had no more....ego-consciousness...... > > > > he melted completely with this witness.....which is Self > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi troubled Werner, > > > > > > it seem that you have learned nothing...in studying all this nice > > > books..... > > > > > > yes....Werner.....therefore, you can't experience any real > > > peace.....and so, you continue to be attached to this Werner- > > > fiction..... > > > > > > have fun....with whoever...and whatever fiction.... > > > > > > nobody care > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > you see, karma at work! > > you see " Karma at work " ....? > > i don't see..... > > > > Marc it doesn't matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Marc, I don't know why Bill presented this peace carot, it was no good idea to do that. But you Marc, ran after it because it sounds so promising and so spiritual. I give a f*ck for peace. I am much more interested in self-knowledge and in how I tick. All these beautiful glittering things like peace, Self, God, enlightenment are for me the pathetic repesentants of boredom And you Marc, are just a little spiritual doggy. Instead of " wuff wuff " you are barking " peace, peace " - how sweet and cute you are. Werner Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > wrote: > > > > Hi troubled Werner, > > it seem that you have learned nothing...in studying all this nice > books..... > > yes....Werner.....therefore, you can't experience any real > peace.....and so, you continue to be attached to this Werner- > fiction..... > > have fun....with whoever...and whatever fiction.... > > nobody care > > > > Marc > > > > Marc. > > > > Better first start reading Niz and study him and then maybe you can > > make a comment which makes sense. > > > > But a sentence like you ended with: > > " he melted completely with this witness.....which is Self " > > > > Is rubbish, utter nonsense. > > > > There is no witness, > > there exists no entity which can melt with something, > > and the Self is the joker card of people suffering fron romantic > > megalomania. > > > > Werner > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > the witness has no name and form....therefore It is > witness.....of > > > the moving entity, which can't be realy " aware or conscient " of > > Self, > > > in being in move > > > > > > when the mind is quite....and peaceful..... > > > there is a chance that one become aware of this witness..... > > > and at same time....one become aware of the fiction-witness of > own > > > body-mind-intellect....which one took for real...... > > > > > > this are inner experiences.....there are no words or concepts who > > > could describe exactly what exactly happen in such experiences.... > > > > > > fact is....that the one who experience This....more and more...... > > > is melting kind of....with Self.....into One (non-dual) being.... > > > means....the ego will be no more > > > > > > i didn't read any of Nisargadatta books....only heard few > > statements > > > of him....here and there...... > > > but i think that he had no more....ego-consciousness...... > > > he melted completely with this witness.....which is Self > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > Hi sweet Werner, once i proposed you to get few dogs....to care for.... so that you shouldn't make noice here....all the time around.....feeling free ....like an animal..... i presume you still didn't find out....that this is not the place where you get this dogs....to care for...... maybe somebody could give you advice in such things..... Marc > Marc, > > I don't know why Bill presented this peace carot, it was no good idea > to do that. But you Marc, ran after it because it sounds so promising > and so spiritual. > > I give a f*ck for peace. I am much more interested in self- knowledge > and in how I tick. > > All these beautiful glittering things like peace, Self, God, > enlightenment are for me the pathetic repesentants of boredom > > And you Marc, are just a little spiritual doggy. Instead of " wuff > wuff " you are barking " peace, peace " - how sweet and cute you are. > > Werner > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi troubled Werner, > > > > it seem that you have learned nothing...in studying all this nice > > books..... > > > > yes....Werner.....therefore, you can't experience any real > > peace.....and so, you continue to be attached to this Werner- > > fiction..... > > > > have fun....with whoever...and whatever fiction.... > > > > nobody care > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > Marc. > > > > > > Better first start reading Niz and study him and then maybe you > can > > > make a comment which makes sense. > > > > > > But a sentence like you ended with: > > > " he melted completely with this witness.....which is Self " > > > > > > Is rubbish, utter nonsense. > > > > > > There is no witness, > > > there exists no entity which can melt with something, > > > and the Self is the joker card of people suffering fron romantic > > > megalomania. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the witness has no name and form....therefore It is > > witness.....of > > > > the moving entity, which can't be realy " aware or conscient " of > > > Self, > > > > in being in move > > > > > > > > when the mind is quite....and peaceful..... > > > > there is a chance that one become aware of this witness..... > > > > and at same time....one become aware of the fiction-witness of > > own > > > > body-mind-intellect....which one took for real...... > > > > > > > > this are inner experiences.....there are no words or concepts > who > > > > could describe exactly what exactly happen in such > experiences.... > > > > > > > > fact is....that the one who experience This....more and > more...... > > > > is melting kind of....with Self.....into One (non-dual) > being.... > > > > means....the ego will be no more > > > > > > > > i didn't read any of Nisargadatta books....only heard few > > > statements > > > > of him....here and there...... > > > > but i think that he had no more....ego-consciousness...... > > > > he melted completely with this witness.....which is Self > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 > > maybe, one day, you could use few more words....so that somebody > could understand your mysterious statements > > > > Marc > > > mystery and understanding mystery comes from the belief that there is something beyond this but somehow related to this understanding comes from the belief that something has been experienced and known by what you think you are both from the belief that there is a separate entity moving and experiencing now, what have you understood from these words? which mystery have you detached? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba wrote: > > > > > maybe, one day, you could use few more words....so that somebody > > could understand your mysterious statements > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > mystery and understanding > > mystery comes from the belief that there is something beyond this but > somehow related to this > > understanding comes from the belief that something has been > experienced and known by what you think you are > > both from the belief that there is a separate entity moving and > experiencing > > now, what have you understood from these words? > which mystery have you detached? about " understanding " ..... it's related to the one who think to experience....to breathe....to eat...to sleep....to drink....to move.....to work..... yes....this " one " ....in reality don't exist.....except in dreams..... this " one " will....sooner or later.....wake up from dream...... means from the identification with " understanding " ..... " breathing " ..... " moving " .... " eating " .... " slee ping " ...... sure....this is no real mystery....you are right Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: >about " understanding " ..... >it's related to the one who think to experience....to breathe....to >eat...to sleep....to drink....to move.....to work..... >yes....this " one " ....in reality don't exist..... Then... why are you trying to be understood? Stefan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > >about " understanding " ..... > >it's related to the one who think to experience....to breathe....to > >eat...to sleep....to drink....to move.....to work..... > >yes....this " one " ....in reality don't exist..... > > Then... why are you trying to be understood? > > Stefan i don't care if somebody understand..... there is no mission for anybody to " explain " anything....like there is no mission for anybody to " understand " .... the Self reveal the Self by itSelf.....don't worry Marc Ps: why do you think that one should understand all this your endless concepts and theories......why for? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: >>Then... why are you trying to be understood? >> >>Stefan > > > >i don't care if somebody understand..... LOL! Every single posting of you is aimed to be understood. We really do not need to discuss this, Mark, it is obvious. Now, just think about it, why do you communicate? Greetings Stefan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > >>Then... why are you trying to be understood? > >> > >>Stefan > > > > > > > >i don't care if somebody understand..... > > LOL! Every single posting of you is aimed to be understood. We really > do not need to discuss this, Mark, it is obvious. Now, just think > about it, why do you communicate? > > Greetings > Stefan Hi Stefan, yes....you are right....i write maybe too much recently.... got some insights ....also in writing.....and the written words.....and then, trying to write about....more.... when there is this deep peace.....then....words were flowing...... it's sad that this ....deep peace....seem to be misunderstood...... it's sad that people try to convince....with endless concepts and theories.....that this described deep peace would be ....just another concept......i mean, i'm sorry for this busy minds.....who can't get some deep peace..... Bill seem to experience more of this deep peace....and therefore he live non-duality......so, with less conflicts now that i wrote more recently.....i also know little more about what is going on in some people in here..... i'm sometimes surprised about the clear minds......and also i'm sometimes surprised about the trap that some minds are busy with..... it's clear.....i'm not excluded in this experiences..... if i have a doubt....i try to find out......i'm sorry if this appear to be very boring for some of you..... to your question....why i communicate..... why i breathe.....why i read....why i eat....why i walk....why i sleep......? would be little same question..... it happen.......but it's sure.....if i would get a clear sign to stop writing......if nobody anymore would have any reaction to the words.......my words would have an end soon...... and i would continue....to live and breathe......and....and......like since infinite times.....and for the next endless times...... i'm not realy attached in writing..... endless ways to express oneself.......endless different names and forms of the reflected Self.......coming and going..... greetings, Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 Marc, I did not say you write too much... I just wanted to let you know that to me you sound like somebody who somehow tries to communicate - which you previously have denied. Now, as you write: >it's sad that this ....deep peace....seem to be misunderstood... I would like to give you an advice. When this deep peace, and whatever you try to make understood, is of real profound value for you, and you are beyond all doubt with it, you should give a damn shit if anybody understands. It will make itself understood whenever and to whom it is due. But if you feel that you still need understanding (to understand and to be understood) because there is still a rest of doubt... still something to check, to discover... you should gratefully use the opportunities and the help you are getting here to continue the quest. It is not only about being understood... it is also about understanding. Greetings Stefan Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: >Hi Stefan, > >yes....you are right....i write maybe too much recently.... > >got some insights ....also in writing.....and the written >words.....and then, trying to write about....more.... > >when there is this deep peace.....then....words were flowing...... > >it's sad that this ....deep peace....seem to be misunderstood...... >it's sad that people try to convince....with endless concepts and >theories.....that this described deep peace would be ....just >another concept......i mean, i'm sorry for this busy minds.....who >can't get some deep peace..... > >Bill seem to experience more of this deep peace....and therefore he >live non-duality......so, with less conflicts > >now that i wrote more recently.....i also know little more about >what is going on in some people in here..... > >i'm sometimes surprised about the clear minds......and also i'm >sometimes surprised about the trap that some minds are busy with..... > >it's clear.....i'm not excluded in this experiences..... > >if i have a doubt....i try to find out......i'm sorry if this appear >to be very boring for some of you..... > >to your question....why i communicate..... > >why i breathe.....why i read....why i eat....why i walk....why i >sleep......? >would be little same question..... > >it happen.......but it's sure.....if i would get a clear sign to >stop writing......if nobody anymore would have any reaction to the >words.......my words would have an end soon...... >and i would continue....to live and >breathe......and....and......like since infinite times.....and for >the next endless times...... > >i'm not realy attached in writing..... > >endless ways to express oneself.......endless different names and >forms of the reflected Self.......coming and going..... > >greetings, >Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge wrote: > > Marc, > > I did not say you write too much... I just wanted to let you know that > to me you sound like somebody who somehow tries to communicate - which > you previously have denied. > > Now, as you write: > >it's sad that this ....deep peace....seem to be misunderstood... > > I would like to give you an advice. When this deep peace, and whatever > you try to make understood, is of real profound value for you, and you > are beyond all doubt with it, you should give a damn shit if anybody > understands. It will make itself understood whenever and to whom it is > due. > > But if you feel that you still need understanding (to understand and > to be understood) because there is still a rest of doubt... still > something to check, to discover... you should gratefully use the > opportunities and the help you are getting here to continue the quest. > > It is not only about being understood... it is also about understanding. > > Greetings > Stefan > > yes Stefan.....mostly i give a damn shit if anybody understand.... and...why should i accept the non-sense of some concepts .......when i know that it's non-sense........ what maybe i should be used to, is, to let people talk......even if i know that it's non-sense...... after all......the one who live a life in illusions.......will have as long conflicts....as this illusions are dissloved....by the necessary delusions....... and the one who is attached too much to the outside world........has reactions.....as " free " as an animal.....living in the nature...... it seem that some people believe that the real nature of them....is an animal........but ok.......they have a right to be, whetever they imagine to be........who cares...... so....i will, maybe, write few messages.....here and there......few statements.....even if i know that some people already left their brain.....for some nice books and concepts....... thank you for your message Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: >so....i will, maybe, write few messages.....here and there......few >statements.....even if i know that some people already left their >brain.....for some nice books and concepts....... How if you start to examine your own concepts first? Stefan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > >so....i will, maybe, write few messages.....here and there......few > >statements.....even if i know that some people already left their > >brain.....for some nice books and concepts....... > > How if you start to examine your own concepts first? > > Stefan i'm not attached to a concept...... couldn't feel free in being attached to a concept..... life is not a " concept " ....even if people Love to " see " it like this life is a constant flow....free flow....... two choices......one go with the flow.....and forget about own identity....in order to stay free..... " originary free " ..... or one keep the own (ego)identity.....and one will have whole life- long...... " conflict-competitions " to solve....... (some are even addicted to this competitions...and so get them....all the time....like all wild animals too) this here.....another....new concept......like it or not....... tomorrow...i will have another one....if you like...... and exactly this is what give peace.......it give peace to know...... that it's not about to find THE Concept....of all times..... but that it's about to challenge the concepts....in leaving them.....whenever one like to (again....another concept)....lol but ok....i'm joking......sorry about.... Stefan......i feel fine with mySelf......there is No special concept i'm using....... if tomorrow i would die......i would know....where i go.....and so also....where i will stay........and i will know.....where i have been....all life long.....and where i will go..... ciao brother Stefan Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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