Guest guest Posted March 1, 2006 Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 Perhaps it was *I* who was being intrusive. At any rate, I feel ready to move on now, which is what I meant by the " dead horse " . Bill Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige wrote: > > ..you did get my mail saying that all was helpful, > there was never any feelings of intrusion...? > > After a difficult day yesterday, spent at the hospital > w/ a youngster in unconsciousness, a family in > turmoil, emergencie room so stuffy, full of > electronics, no air... > Quietly holding his hand, that poor damaged face... > Effortlessness came as an outcome and a precious gift > for all of us that evening. > It is nothing on its own, it is the sweet honey of > undivided attention, it comes all by itself, and pours > its fragrance freely, it is so alive and so felt.. > Effort is the disheveled child of divided attention. > much love, > Patricia > > --- billrishel <illusyn a écrit : > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:29:11 -0000 > > " billrishel " <illusyn@> > > Re: effortlessness > > > > > > > > In a message dated 2/28/2006 2:53:09 AM Pacific > Standard Time, > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > It seemed like Patricia and I were having a nice > conversation. I > > don't know > > > why my perspective should offend either of you, > nor did I state the > > rightness > > > of my opinion as opposed to that of others. > Again, there seems > to be > > > something that has created struggle here for > you, but I won't > > intrude. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: Did you see my post to this list about > Krishnamurti > > > re effort? Seems to me that says it all pretty > well. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, he did. In fact he says very much the same > thing I did. Weren't > > you > > > concerned that Patricia would feel " beat up " when > she read that post? > > > > Quite the contrary. > > I expected she would find it very meaningful. > > > > But Krishnamurti's comments were not " pointed " > > with respect to one person. > > > > Your remarks to Patricia, on the other hand, > > seemed pointed and intrusive to me. But I > > *did* own my remarks as being just my > > impression/point-of-view. I just said what > > was up for me to say, as you did and do here > > again. No harm in any of that, yes? > > > > Again, " correctness " is never the point. > > Honesty always is. > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > I have enough respect for Patricia to not insult her > by assuming her > ego > > needed to be massaged gently. It is assumed that the > truth, whatever > that might > > be for an individual, is at least slightly more > important than playing > > patty-cake with ego. That goes for everyone on this > list, BTW. > > > > Phil > > > > You have misread what I was saying, Phil. > But at this point the horse is quite dead. > > Bill > ** > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to > change your subscription, sign in with your ID > and go to Edit My Groups: > > /mygroups?edit=1 > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " > for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 In a message dated 3/1/2006 3:27:17 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 10:32:09 -0000 " billrishel " <illusyn Re: effortlessness Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:29:11 -0000 > " billrishel " <illusyn > Re: effortlessness > > > > In a message dated 2/28/2006 2:53:09 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > > It seemed like Patricia and I were having a nice conversation. I > don't know > > why my perspective should offend either of you, nor did I state the > rightness > > of my opinion as opposed to that of others. Again, there seems to be > > something that has created struggle here for you, but I won't > intrude. > > > > > > > > > > PS: Did you see my post to this list about Krishnamurti > > re effort? Seems to me that says it all pretty well. > > > > > > > > Yes, he did. In fact he says very much the same thing I did. Weren't > you > > concerned that Patricia would feel " beat up " when she read that post? > > Quite the contrary. > I expected she would find it very meaningful. > > But Krishnamurti's comments were not " pointed " > with respect to one person. > > Your remarks to Patricia, on the other hand, > seemed pointed and intrusive to me. But I > *did* own my remarks as being just my > impression/point-of-view. I just said what > was up for me to say, as you did and do here > again. No harm in any of that, yes? > > Again, " correctness " is never the point. > Honesty always is. > > Bill > > > > I have enough respect for Patricia to not insult her by assuming her ego > needed to be massaged gently. It is assumed that the truth, whatever that might > be for an individual, is at least slightly more important than playing > patty-cake with ego. That goes for everyone on this list, BTW. > > Phil > You have misread what I was saying, Phil. But at this point the horse is quite dead. Bill A moment of silence for the horse then...............................Amen. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/1/2006 3:27:17 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Wed, 01 Mar 2006 10:32:09 -0000 > " billrishel " <illusyn > Re: effortlessness > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:29:11 -0000 > > " billrishel " <illusyn@> > > Re: effortlessness > > > > > > > > In a message dated 2/28/2006 2:53:09 AM Pacific Standard Time, > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > It seemed like Patricia and I were having a nice conversation. I > > don't know > > > why my perspective should offend either of you, nor did I state the > > rightness > > > of my opinion as opposed to that of others. Again, there seems > to be > > > something that has created struggle here for you, but I won't > > intrude. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: Did you see my post to this list about Krishnamurti > > > re effort? Seems to me that says it all pretty well. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, he did. In fact he says very much the same thing I did. Weren't > > you > > > concerned that Patricia would feel " beat up " when she read that post? > > > > Quite the contrary. > > I expected she would find it very meaningful. > > > > But Krishnamurti's comments were not " pointed " > > with respect to one person. > > > > Your remarks to Patricia, on the other hand, > > seemed pointed and intrusive to me. But I > > *did* own my remarks as being just my > > impression/point-of-view. I just said what > > was up for me to say, as you did and do here > > again. No harm in any of that, yes? > > > > Again, " correctness " is never the point. > > Honesty always is. > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > I have enough respect for Patricia to not insult her by assuming her > ego > > needed to be massaged gently. It is assumed that the truth, whatever > that might > > be for an individual, is at least slightly more important than playing > > patty-cake with ego. That goes for everyone on this list, BTW. > > > > Phil > > > > You have misread what I was saying, Phil. > But at this point the horse is quite dead. > > Bill > > > > A moment of silence for the horse then...............................Amen. > > Phil LOL good one............ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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