Guest guest Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie4@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > M: of your " understandings " of the all the miseries that appear > > in > > > > the > > > > > eyes of this your miserable spiritual heart? > > > > > > > > > > P: Aaah! Miserable spiritual heart! Yes! Miserable, means poor, > > > > > without possessions. " Blessed are the poor in spirit because > > > > > they shall see God. " To have a poor mind, which cast a thin > > shadow, > > > > > which takes not its shadow for truth. > > > > > > > > > > M: ....i know endless people like you.....for some reason, they > > > > can't > > > > > get a quite mind.......they can't meditate.....and go > > behind " words " > > > > > and " understandings " ..... > > > > > > > > > > P: Endless people? lots of people, you mean? Let me put your > > > > > mind at easy because I know you care. Meditation happens here > > > > > all the time. Life is meditation now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > M: i do meditation....daily......i practice spirituality > > > > > i have a spiritual Master who is over all this crap > > of " definitions " > > > > > i'm in touch with Self...... > > > > > > > > > > P: I'm glad you meditate, I don't doubt you are in touch > > > > > with your self. One day 'no self' will replace that... if > > > > > you are lucky, that is. Marc, is this separation, this > > > > > insecurity who projects his feelings to feel eternal. > > > > > There is no eternity, there is just this infinitesimal > > > > > 'now' from which you are so desperately trying to escape. > > > > > Surrender to this pin prig of now, and it will fill the > > > > > void you dread. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Pete, > > > > > > > > > > > > yes....Pete....you have a strange view of what is > > meditation....for > > > > real.... > > > > > > > > yes....you are right.....meditation is " here and > > > > now " ......therefore......i tell you again......here and > > now....that > > > > i'm not interested in this your concepts and definitions > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can never know any one else's concepts and definitions....they > > exist in a totally > > > different world. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > yes.....normally very well protected....in deepest cage....of the > > more or less.....deep and.....dark " undergrounds " .... > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > Just a different dream....:-) > > > > toombaru ....life is just a dream..... Marc Ps: concepts transform the dreams in nightmares Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2006 Report Share Posted February 24, 2006 In a message dated 2/23/2006 8:13:26 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 Re: life / dream Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie4@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > M: of your " understandings " of the all the miseries that appear > > in > > > > the > > > > > eyes of this your miserable spiritual heart? > > > > > > > > > > P: Aaah! Miserable spiritual heart! Yes! Miserable, means poor, > > > > > without possessions. " Blessed are the poor in spirit because > > > > > they shall see God. " To have a poor mind, which cast a thin > > shadow, > > > > > which takes not its shadow for truth. > > > > > > > > > > M: ....i know endless people like you.....for some reason, they > > > > can't > > > > > get a quite mind.......they can't meditate.....and go > > behind " words " > > > > > and " understandings " ..... > > > > > > > > > > P: Endless people? lots of people, you mean? Let me put your > > > > > mind at easy because I know you care. Meditation happens here > > > > > all the time. Life is meditation now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > M: i do meditation....daily......i practice spirituality > > > > > i have a spiritual Master who is over all this crap > > of " definitions " > > > > > i'm in touch with Self...... > > > > > > > > > > P: I'm glad you meditate, I don't doubt you are in touch > > > > > with your self. One day 'no self' will replace that... if > > > > > you are lucky, that is. Marc, is this separation, this > > > > > insecurity who projects his feelings to feel eternal. > > > > > There is no eternity, there is just this infinitesimal > > > > > 'now' from which you are so desperately trying to escape. > > > > > Surrender to this pin prig of now, and it will fill the > > > > > void you dread. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Pete, > > > > > > > > > > > > yes....Pete....you have a strange view of what is > > meditation....for > > > > real.... > > > > > > > > yes....you are right.....meditation is " here and > > > > now " ......therefore......i tell you again......here and > > now....that > > > > i'm not interested in this your concepts and definitions > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can never know any one else's concepts and definitions....they > > exist in a totally > > > different world. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > yes.....normally very well protected....in deepest cage....of the > > more or less.....deep and.....dark " undergrounds " .... > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > Just a different dream....:-) > > > > toombaru ....life is just a dream..... Marc Ps: concepts transform the dreams in nightmares Concepts are not really the bogeyman that some would make them out to be. Enlightened masters conceptualize all the time, but they know they are mentalizations that don't define Reality. They aren't attached to concepts and they don't believe they can bring about fulfillment and happiness. Concepts do not cause suffering. The unwillingness to notice the Truth that hides in plain view is what causes suffering. The miracle is not the realization of the only reality in which we are continually immersed, that which we are, the miracle is that we can fail to notice it. Even for me, for one who fails to notice it in it's wholeness and totality, this astounds me. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2006 Report Share Posted February 24, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 2/23/2006 8:13:26 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 > Re: life / dream > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie4@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > M: of your " understandings " of the all the miseries that > appear > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > eyes of this your miserable spiritual heart? > > > > > > > > > > > > P: Aaah! Miserable spiritual heart! Yes! Miserable, means > poor, > > > > > > without possessions. " Blessed are the poor in spirit because > > > > > > they shall see God. " To have a poor mind, which cast a thin > > > shadow, > > > > > > which takes not its shadow for truth. > > > > > > > > > > > > M: ....i know endless people like you.....for some reason, > they > > > > > can't > > > > > > get a quite mind.......they can't meditate.....and go > > > behind " words " > > > > > > and " understandings " ..... > > > > > > > > > > > > P: Endless people? lots of people, you mean? Let me put your > > > > > > mind at easy because I know you care. Meditation happens > here > > > > > > all the time. Life is meditation now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > M: i do meditation....daily......i practice spirituality > > > > > > i have a spiritual Master who is over all this crap > > > of " definitions " > > > > > > i'm in touch with Self...... > > > > > > > > > > > > P: I'm glad you meditate, I don't doubt you are in touch > > > > > > with your self. One day 'no self' will replace that... if > > > > > > you are lucky, that is. Marc, is this separation, this > > > > > > insecurity who projects his feelings to feel eternal. > > > > > > There is no eternity, there is just this infinitesimal > > > > > > 'now' from which you are so desperately trying to escape. > > > > > > Surrender to this pin prig of now, and it will fill the > > > > > > void you dread. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Pete, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes....Pete....you have a strange view of what is > > > meditation....for > > > > > real.... > > > > > > > > > > yes....you are right.....meditation is " here and > > > > > now " ......therefore......i tell you again......here and > > > now....that > > > > > i'm not interested in this your concepts and definitions > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can never know any one else's concepts and > definitions....they > > > exist in a totally > > > > different world. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > yes.....normally very well protected....in deepest cage....of the > > > more or less.....deep and.....dark " undergrounds " .... > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just a different dream....:-) > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > ...life is just a dream..... > > Marc > > > Ps: concepts transform the dreams in nightmares Concepts are not really the bogeyman that some would make them out to be. > Enlightened masters conceptualize all the time, but they know they are > mentalizations that don't define Reality. They aren't attached to concepts and they > don't believe they can bring about fulfillment and happiness. Concepts do not > cause suffering. The unwillingness to notice the Truth that hides in plain > view is what causes suffering. > > The miracle is not the realization of the only reality in which we are > continually immersed, that which we are, the miracle is that we can fail to notice > it. We are nothing other then the not noticing. toombaru Even for me, for one who fails to notice it in it's wholeness and > totality, this astounds me. > > Phil > > A fragment cannot 'see' the whole.....because it is part if it. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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