Guest guest Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > wrote: > > >The split between direct perception and conceptualization is the key > >of intelligence. > > Hi Len, > > this is a strange definition of intelligence. I dont know if you are > very courageous or very naive to find the guts to post such a > statement in a group dedicated to Advaita. Shall I be executed? > Here, commonly, > intelligence means to be able to go beyond the splitting mind. What commonly means intelligence, is usually opportunism. > In any case, I wish you from the bottom of my heart that your > intelligence, born in the valley of splits, will lead you to the > realization of unity. As Sri Nisargadatta has said: > > " To know the nature of the mind, you need intelligence, the capacity > to look at the mind in silent and dispassionate awareness. " > > All the best > Stefan I don´t know where the intelligence will lead me, but it tells me clearly how silly it is to follow anybody. Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2006 Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:51:57 -0000 " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 Re: Mirage In a message dated 2/28/2006 7:54:03 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: > Well, yes, whatever is perceivable is true, whether it´s love or > itchy back, whatever is imagined is conceptual. > The capital T in Truth makes me more then suspisious. > Thought loves labelling. > > Len > > > > Whatever is perceivable is true? I would ask you if you mean relative truth > or Absolute Truth, but I see you believe them to be the same. Interesting. > > Phil Yes, whatever is factual and not a product of imagination is true. I would´t know what criteria to use in order to split it in absolute and relative? Len So, what is true is what can be proven, in say, scientific testing? No spiritual context of Truth for you? And physicality is not influenced by consciousness, so that it contains it's own immutable truth? Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2006 Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 wrote: >I don�t know where the intelligence will lead me, but it tells me >clearly how silly it is to follow anybody. > >Len Len, yes! This is a wonderful starting point - and a wonderful attitude as well, and for me it says more about the spirit of true intelligence than 1000 definitions :-) And since with this attitude one has nothing to lose it is wise to open up to what others suggest and sincerely consider its truth. This happens, through true intelligence... anyway. Thanks Stefan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2006 Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige wrote: >always nice to read you Stephan! Thanks Patricia! I also enjoy your postings... you do not hide yourself behind words! I will be away for a while... travelling... all the best Stefan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2006 Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge wrote: > > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige@> wrote: > > >always nice to read you Stephan! > > Thanks Patricia! I also enjoy your postings... you do not hide > yourself behind words! I will be away for a while... travelling... > > all the best > Stefan > You've always been away.........travelling. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2006 Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > wrote: > > >I don�t know where the intelligence will lead me, but it tells me > >clearly how silly it is to follow anybody. > > > >Len > > > Len, yes! This is a wonderful starting point - and a wonderful > attitude as well, and for me it says more about the spirit of true > intelligence than 1000 definitions :-) > > And since with this attitude one has nothing to lose it is wise to > open up to what others suggest and sincerely consider its truth. This > happens, through true intelligence... anyway. > > Thanks > Stefan Billions of people consider billions of things true. But it takes only a moment to see that most of it is imitation and imagery. That´s why it´s so important to discern a concept from a fact. Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2006 Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > > wrote: > > > > >I don�t know where the intelligence will lead me, but it tells > me > > >clearly how silly it is to follow anybody. > > > > > >Len > > > > > > Len, yes! This is a wonderful starting point - and a wonderful > > attitude as well, and for me it says more about the spirit of true > > intelligence than 1000 definitions :-) > > > > And since with this attitude one has nothing to lose it is wise to > > open up to what others suggest and sincerely consider its truth. > This > > happens, through true intelligence... anyway. > > > > Thanks > > Stefan > > > > Billions of people consider billions of things true. > But it takes only a moment to see that most of it is imitation and > imagery. That´s why it´s so important to discern a concept from a > fact. > > Len wow yes....fact is, that your concept of " billions of people " is a creation of your brilliant intellect..... this intellect indeed need a good concept to get of this isolation Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2006 Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > >I don�t know where the intelligence will lead me, but it tells > > me > > > >clearly how silly it is to follow anybody. > > > > > > > >Len > > > > > > > > > Len, yes! This is a wonderful starting point - and a wonderful > > > attitude as well, and for me it says more about the spirit of true > > > intelligence than 1000 definitions :-) > > > > > > And since with this attitude one has nothing to lose it is wise to > > > open up to what others suggest and sincerely consider its truth. > > This > > > happens, through true intelligence... anyway. > > > > > > Thanks > > > Stefan > > > > > > > > Billions of people consider billions of things true. > > But it takes only a moment to see that most of it is imitation and > > imagery. That´s why it´s so important to discern a concept from a > > fact. > > > > Len > > > wow > > yes....fact is, that your concept of " billions of people " is a > creation of your brilliant intellect..... > this intellect indeed need a good concept to get of this isolation > > Marc What?!! Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2006 Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " > <lissbon2002@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >I don�t know where the intelligence will lead me, but it > tells > > > me > > > > >clearly how silly it is to follow anybody. > > > > > > > > > >Len > > > > > > > > > > > > Len, yes! This is a wonderful starting point - and a wonderful > > > > attitude as well, and for me it says more about the spirit of > true > > > > intelligence than 1000 definitions :-) > > > > > > > > And since with this attitude one has nothing to lose it is > wise to > > > > open up to what others suggest and sincerely consider its > truth. > > > This > > > > happens, through true intelligence... anyway. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > > > > Billions of people consider billions of things true. > > > But it takes only a moment to see that most of it is imitation > and > > > imagery. That´s why it´s so important to discern a concept from > a > > > fact. > > > > > > Len > > > > > > wow > > > > yes....fact is, that your concept of " billions of people " is a > > creation of your brilliant intellect..... > > this intellect indeed need a good concept to get* of this isolation > > > > Marc > > > What?!! > > Len *out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 In a message dated 3/1/2006 8:21:17 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 14:26:11 -0000 " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 Re: Mirage Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > wrote: > > >I don�t know where the intelligence will lead me, but it tells me > >clearly how silly it is to follow anybody. > > > >Len > > > Len, yes! This is a wonderful starting point - and a wonderful > attitude as well, and for me it says more about the spirit of true > intelligence than 1000 definitions :-) > > And since with this attitude one has nothing to lose it is wise to > open up to what others suggest and sincerely consider its truth. This > happens, through true intelligence... anyway. > > Thanks > Stefan Billions of people consider billions of things true. But it takes only a moment to see that most of it is imitation and imagery. That´s why it´s so important to discern a concept from a fact. Len There are no facts, Len. Yesterday's concepts are today's facts. Today's facts are tomorrow's foolishness and all of it is just the mind creating it's own reality. Scientific fact has no more reality than your next thought, because thought is all it is. The entire illusion is sourced in consciousness. It has no factual reality. Facts are a deception of mind to reinforce it's own imagined reality, and neither does mind itself. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/1/2006 8:21:17 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Wed, 01 Mar 2006 14:26:11 -0000 > " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 > Re: Mirage > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > > wrote: > > > > >I don�t know where the intelligence will lead me, but it tells > me > > >clearly how silly it is to follow anybody. > > > > > >Len > > > > > > Len, yes! This is a wonderful starting point - and a wonderful > > attitude as well, and for me it says more about the spirit of true > > intelligence than 1000 definitions :-) > > > > And since with this attitude one has nothing to lose it is wise to > > open up to what others suggest and sincerely consider its truth. > This > > happens, through true intelligence... anyway. > > > > Thanks > > Stefan > > > > Billions of people consider billions of things true. > But it takes only a moment to see that most of it is imitation and > imagery. That´s why it´s so important to discern a concept from a > fact. > > Len > > > > > There are no facts, Len. Yesterday's concepts are today's facts. Today's > facts are tomorrow's foolishness and all of it is just the mind creating it's > own reality. Scientific fact has no more reality than your next thought, because > thought is all it is. The entire illusion is sourced in consciousness. It > has no factual reality. Facts are a deception of mind to reinforce it's own > imagined reality, and neither does mind itself. > > Phil Thought is deception, to such a degree that one can even lose the awareness of something as obvious as a fact. Have you ever been hungry, Phil? What stilled your hunger: a thought about food or real food? Can´t you see the basic difference between those two? Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 > > > > Thought is deception, to such a degree that one can even lose the > awareness of something as obvious as a fact. Have you ever been > hungry, Phil? What stilled your hunger: a thought about food or real > food? Can´t you see the basic difference between those two? > > Len > do not speak ( or write) while you are eating! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2006 Report Share Posted March 3, 2006 In a message dated 3/2/2006 5:34:54 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 13:32:45 -0000 " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 Re: Mirage > There are no facts, Len. Yesterday's concepts are today's facts. Today's > facts are tomorrow's foolishness and all of it is just the mind creating it's > own reality. Scientific fact has no more reality than your next thought, because > thought is all it is. The entire illusion is sourced in consciousness. It > has no factual reality. Facts are a deception of mind to reinforce it's own > imagined reality, and neither does mind itself. > > Phil Thought is deception, to such a degree that one can even lose the awareness of something as obvious as a fact. Have you ever been hungry, Phil? What stilled your hunger: a thought about food or real food? Can´t you see the basic difference between those two? Len Sure, in one context there are things that can be factually demonstrated. However, this isn't a science forum, and so there's usually the attempt to put things into a spiritual context. In a spiritual context, nothing is " obvious " any more. A fundamental spiritual principle is that physicality is an illusion, meaning that it is not what it appears to be. If you've been paying attention to Quantum physics, you know many scientists are even coming to some similar conclusions. Shall we find a Quantum physicist to tell you there are no such things as facts? I venture to say this is a possibility. Why are you here if you don't believe in anything beyond your senses? Or am I misunderstanding you? Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2006 Report Share Posted March 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/2/2006 5:34:54 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Thu, 02 Mar 2006 13:32:45 -0000 > " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 > Re: Mirage > > > > > There are no facts, Len. Yesterday's concepts are today's facts. > Today's > > facts are tomorrow's foolishness and all of it is just the mind > creating it's > > own reality. Scientific fact has no more reality than your next > thought, because > > thought is all it is. The entire illusion is sourced in > consciousness. It > > has no factual reality. Facts are a deception of mind to > reinforce it's own > > imagined reality, and neither does mind itself. > > > > Phil > > > > Thought is deception, to such a degree that one can even lose the > awareness of something as obvious as a fact. Have you ever been > hungry, Phil? What stilled your hunger: a thought about food or real > food? Can´t you see the basic difference between those two? > > Len > > > Sure, in one context there are things that can be factually demonstrated. > However, this isn't a science forum, and so there's usually the attempt to put > things into a spiritual context. In a spiritual context, nothing is " obvious " > any more. A fundamental spiritual principle is that physicality is an > illusion, meaning that it is not what it appears to be. Everything is exactly what it is without the intrusion of interpreting thought. A punch in your stomach doesn´t hurt less because of a Quantum theory. Direct perception is all you have, but now thought is trying to confuse you so much that you don´t know anymore what´s real and what´s conceptual. If you follow its way consquently, you might be soon able to kill people and think that nothing really happened. > If you've been paying > attention to Quantum physics, you know many scientists are even coming to some > similar conclusions. Shall we find a Quantum physicist to tell you there are no > such things as facts? I venture to say this is a possibility. Why are you here > if you don't believe in anything beyond your senses? Or am I > misunderstanding you? > > Phil Our senses are sensitivity and intelligence. Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2006 Report Share Posted March 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 3/2/2006 5:34:54 AM Pacific Standard Time, > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > Thu, 02 Mar 2006 13:32:45 -0000 > > " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > > Re: Mirage > > > > > > > > > There are no facts, Len. Yesterday's concepts are today's > facts. > > Today's > > > facts are tomorrow's foolishness and all of it is just the mind > > creating it's > > > own reality. Scientific fact has no more reality than your next > > thought, because > > > thought is all it is. The entire illusion is sourced in > > consciousness. It > > > has no factual reality. Facts are a deception of mind to > > reinforce it's own > > > imagined reality, and neither does mind itself. > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > Thought is deception, to such a degree that one can even lose the > > awareness of something as obvious as a fact. Have you ever been > > hungry, Phil? What stilled your hunger: a thought about food or > real > > food? Can´t you see the basic difference between those two? > > > > Len > > > > > > Sure, in one context there are things that can be factually > demonstrated. > > However, this isn't a science forum, and so there's usually the > attempt to put > > things into a spiritual context. In a spiritual context, nothing > is " obvious " > > any more. A fundamental spiritual principle is that physicality is > an > > illusion, meaning that it is not what it appears to be. > > > > Everything is exactly what it is without the intrusion of > interpreting thought. A punch in your stomach doesn´t hurt less > because of a Quantum theory. Direct perception is all you have, but > now thought is trying to confuse you so much that you don´t know > anymore what´s real and what´s conceptual. If you follow its way > consquently, you might be soon able to kill people and think that > nothing really happened. > If you've been paying > > attention to Quantum physics, you know many scientists are even > coming to some > > similar conclusions. Shall we find a Quantum physicist to tell > you there are no > > such things as facts? I venture to say this is a possibility. Why > are you here > > if you don't believe in anything beyond your senses? Or am I > > misunderstanding you? > > > > Phil > > > Our senses are sensitivity and intelligence. > > Len ....and exactly this " sensitivity and intelligence " is creating...all the time....wars....and " killing " ......everywhere around ....in the name of " intelligence " ....or whatever..... " beliefs " ..... you don't think that it would be more peaceful to stop with this non- sense? it's possible to get out of this " world and mind " .....and so to have a peaceful mind....... do you don't believe that a peaceful mind would even not dream about " killing and wars... " ....? Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 L: Everything is exactly what it is without the intrusion of interpreting thought. A punch in your stomach doesn´t hurt less because of a Quantum theory. Direct perception is all you have, but now thought is trying to confuse you so much that you don´t know anymore what´s real and what´s conceptual. If you follow its way consquently, you might be soon able to kill people and think that nothing really happened. P: Nothing is perceived at all without thought. Thought is integral to perception. You could not know what this direct perception of yours is all about if you had not interpreted and stored your experience of it. Possibly, what you're referring to is being in the moment, but this being is not devoid of perception, and therefore thought. It's merely avoiding all the conscious analysis that takes one out of the present moment and puts one's awareness mostly in the past of memory and the projection of future. Bieing in the moment is just being consciously present in your perception, but it is still perception. We cannot say that everything can be perceived exactly as it is, because perception itself is an act of creation involving thought. A punch in the stomach doesn't hurt less because of a theory, but it may hurt less because of an understanding. The experience of suffering is created in the mind out of resistance. It is also a perception, and so it is nothing more than what you perceive it to be. I'm not on a path of negation, but I am willing to question what is real and what is a created perception. The entire physical universe is a perception, and perceptions change. Absolute Truth does not change and is not a perception. L: Our senses are sensitivity and intelligence. P: The world is not detected by your senses, it is created by them. The illusion consists of perception only. There is nothing to be perceived. If there were, then multiplicity would be a fact rather than a perception. Phil In a message dated 3/3/2006 2:14:45 PM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 13:46:06 -0000 " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 Re: Mirage Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/2/2006 5:34:54 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Thu, 02 Mar 2006 13:32:45 -0000 > " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 > Re: Mirage > > > > > There are no facts, Len. Yesterday's concepts are today's facts. > Today's > > facts are tomorrow's foolishness and all of it is just the mind > creating it's > > own reality. Scientific fact has no more reality than your next > thought, because > > thought is all it is. The entire illusion is sourced in > consciousness. It > > has no factual reality. Facts are a deception of mind to > reinforce it's own > > imagined reality, and neither does mind itself. > > > > Phil > > > > Thought is deception, to such a degree that one can even lose the > awareness of something as obvious as a fact. Have you ever been > hungry, Phil? What stilled your hunger: a thought about food or real > food? Can´t you see the basic difference between those two? > > Len > > > Sure, in one context there are things that can be factually demonstrated. > However, this isn't a science forum, and so there's usually the attempt to put > things into a spiritual context. In a spiritual context, nothing is " obvious " > any more. A fundamental spiritual principle is that physicality is an > illusion, meaning that it is not what it appears to be. Everything is exactly what it is without the intrusion of interpreting thought. A punch in your stomach doesn´t hurt less because of a Quantum theory. Direct perception is all you have, but now thought is trying to confuse you so much that you don´t know anymore what´s real and what´s conceptual. If you follow its way consquently, you might be soon able to kill people and think that nothing really happened. > If you've been paying > attention to Quantum physics, you know many scientists are even coming to some > similar conclusions. Shall we find a Quantum physicist to tell you there are no > such things as facts? I venture to say this is a possibility. Why are you here > if you don't believe in anything beyond your senses? Or am I > misunderstanding you? > > Phil Our senses are sensitivity and intelligence. Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 S: > Maybe it is fruitless to argue if something is called (a) direct > perception or (b) conceptualization. My point is, that the split > between (a) and (b) has not to be accepted. > ~~~~~~~~ > Absolutely. > > It's all the same stuff... " appearance " ... > > That there is " appearance " we have to accept, it seems. > But what else? Nothing, it seems. > > Bill How does one not accept " WHAT IS " ? Seems to me that's the beginning of the loss of love and a bit craziness--running around in circles. To accept and move forward is to act--that is beyond both perception and conceptualization. It is being in the moment, which is all there ever is. My 2cents. Love, Ana > L.E: Please add my 2cents to Ana's 2cents and now we have 5 cents so let's buy a gumball. Larry Epston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > S: > > Maybe it is fruitless to argue if something is called (a) direct > > perception or (b) conceptualization. My point is, that the split > > between (a) and (b) has not to be accepted. > > ~~~~~~~~ > > Absolutely. > > > > It's all the same stuff... " appearance " ... > > > > That there is " appearance " we have to accept, it seems. > > But what else? Nothing, it seems. > > > > Bill > > > How does one not accept " WHAT IS " ? Seems to me that's the beginning of > the loss of love and a bit craziness--running around in circles. > To accept and move forward is to act--that is beyond both perception and > conceptualization. It is being in the moment, which is all there ever is. > > My 2cents. > > Love, > Ana > > > > L.E: Please add my 2cents to Ana's 2cents and now we have 5 cents so let's buy a gumball. > Larry Epston > > Strange Math that......... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 > > How does one not accept " WHAT IS " ? By pretending to be real. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > > > How does one not accept " WHAT IS " ? > > " IS WHAT " ? > > By pretending to be real. > > It's real to be pretending. > > bob > > toombaru > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > > > How does one not accept " WHAT IS " ? > > > > By pretending to be real. > > > > > > toombaru exactly.... the toilet which need to be flushed....Is....flushed lol Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 Nisargadatta , Noel <noel_beau wrote: >--- Stefan <s.petersilge wrote: > >>The >>next step is not to study the mirage better, to know >>it better. The >>next step is to understand that the mirage is simply >>a mirage, and to >>take it for what it is. >> >>Greetings >>Stefan > > >Good luck with that. > >Noel Thank you Noel! This has been and still is an amazing journey and... yes, I appreciate those who wish me luck and I also wish the best of luck to everybody. But those who have helped me the most have been those, who have tried hard to shatter my oh so beloved illusions. Greetings Stefan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Noel <noel_beau@> wrote: > >--- Stefan <s.petersilge@> wrote: > > > >>The > >>next step is not to study the mirage better, to know > >>it better. The > >>next step is to understand that the mirage is simply > >>a mirage, and to > >>take it for what it is. > >> > >>Greetings > >>Stefan > > > > > >Good luck with that. > > > >Noel > > Thank you Noel! This has been and still is an amazing journey and... > yes, I appreciate those who wish me luck and I also wish the best of > luck to everybody. But those who have helped me the most have been > those, who have tried hard to shatter my oh so beloved illusions. > > Greetings > Stefan > the mirage of a mirage the illusion of illusion the mirror age of mirror age everything is also real only pure clarity redeems yet the cycle continues the end is always just over the next hill ? .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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