The : Illusion

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P: Illusion is part of nature, it's here to

> stay, and realization or not it must be deal with.

> >>>

> B: I heartily disagree.

> Illusion is just that, illusion. It is a mis-taking of

> what is. It serves no real value.

>

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> P: Ha, ha! " I heartily disagree " is illusion,

> It is the sense of " I Am " returning.

 

B: You seem to believe that use of the pronoun 'I'

is evidence of belief in " I am " .

 

P: No, I think disagreeing HEARTILY could be

a momentary flair up of that stance, not

as a belief, but as defense mechanism.

 

 

B: The point of discussion was the utility of

the illusory sense of " I am " .

 

You said there is a utility.

I said there is not.

 

P: The " I am " is a belief surrounded by

very strong satellite feelings. A belief

exists as an idea, and as brain transactions

regardless whether the object of the belief

is real or not. Ghosts may no haunt your

house, but if you believe they do, any

strange sound or shadow could bring fear

because the belief is real.

 

The country was never in danger from Sadam,

but people believed that, and so supported

the war. So that false belief was useful to

Bush, even when the danger didn't exist. In

the same way, the I'm is a rallying call when

there is a serious threat. And momentarily

even the brain of a jnani would feel that

sense of " I. "

 

Many people who don't believe in God pray in

times of crisis. So beliefs are useful, even

when false as a rallying cry, and the " I " is

that. All illusions have a substratum of

fact. A mirage may not be water, but is an

atmospheric phenomenon.

 

B: Can we discuss this in earnest, or do you want

to end it with a jest?

 

P: I just did! )