The end of what is going on (((Frank talk / mind at rest

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i think i wrote it as an " understanding " of oneSelf.....an

understanding of the " whole " .....means, of the wholeness of

oneSelf....

 

then....the mind can be at rest.....at " free will " ......

 

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if it is about the " mind " understanding

something, then the mind is still going on... just

in a more lucid kind of way. The impression I get from

such a notion is that the helmsman is still steering,

but now with a clear sense of direction.

 

I suggest that is not very important... such lucidity.

What is really far more interesting, is when the helmsman

has disappeared -- and unaccountably at that.

 

So there is no one steering. And clarity is not an issue.

And why ever would that matter anyhow?

 

Because " what's going on " itself doesn't really matter.

What is done, or not done, happens of its own.

There is no one at the wheel.

 

So it cannot be about the " mind " understanding... yes?

Is that much clear?

 

And so what kind of understanding could it be that

results in the helmsman disappearing?

 

 

I ask the question, but have no answer.

 

If the fruit ripens and finally falls from the

tree... has the fruit *understood*?

 

 

Bill

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote:

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> > human mind can be at rest......because it can " understand " ....that

> > there is absolutly nothing....what could be " missed " .....even when

> > the mind is in rest....

> > ~~~~~~~

> >

> > I wonder what is meant here by " understand " ...

> >

> > An activity, a process comes to an end.

> > Was it a " seeing clearly " that led to that?

> > Was it simple surrender?

> > Was it something else? Or a combination?

> >

> > Something that was no longer is... and

> > yet nothing has changed. It's as if whatever

> > past there had been is were erased, not in

> > a sense of amnesia, but in a sense of " knowing

> > what it was like " . The personal subjective

> > point of view is no longer possible. It is

> > as if the place in the brain where that could

> > happen has been removed.

> >

> > The contents of consciousness are no longer

> > " what is going on " . Monitoring the contents

> > of consciousness is no longer a concern.

> > There is just the Ineffable, pouring through

> > in silent, endless waves, a towering Non

> > that drifts deep within.

> >

> > Within, yet no sense of center.

> > Towering, yet no sense of " above " .

> >

> > Vast, yet no sense of space.

> >

> >

> >

> > Bill

> >

> >

> > Hi Bill,

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> yes.....it's very mysterious what is meant by this " understand " ..

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> i believe that you understand the meaning....reading your words....

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> this: "

> > Something that was no longer is... and

> > yet nothing has changed. It's as if whatever

> > past there had been is were erased, not in

> > a sense of amnesia, but in a sense of " knowing

> > what it was like " . "

>

> ....yes....i understand what you mean.....this is

> another " understanding " which is also very very " Mysterious " ....and

> wonderful too....to know....and to experience....

>

> will think about if i wrote this " understand " in this context...mmh

>

> i think i wrote it as an " understanding " of oneSelf.....an

> understanding of the " whole " .....means, of the wholeness of

> oneSelf....

>

> then....the mind can be at rest.....at " free will " ......

>

> (because this " free will " didn't exist....before....)

>

>

> thanks for your message

>

> Marc

>

>

> Ps: don't want to talk again about " free will " ....there has been

> endless talk here about in the past

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